This whole sh!!!!!!t started, because your precious Jose said so.
If this comparison was made last season, then I would have understood better, but not just because jose thinks so, then the whole fan boys automatically think so.

what the holy hell are you on about ?!?!?!

who are you to suggest that our manager who trains the squad EVERY DAY and works to his own tactical plans is wrong and you are right ?!?!?!

madness!!!!

comment by bloodyblu4cfc.com ( BlackBerry® Z10 & Q10) (U1442)
posted 26 minutes ago
We won...great!
I just have a problem with people suggesting that Oscar is a better no. 10.
Some people have denied making that statement...man up!
Mata deserves better...I hope he finally leaves the club, and go somewhere, where the manager will appreciate what he brings to the team.

We cried for a Zola type of player, we got one, all of a sudden, he doesn't seem to fit the style of play anymore, all because a certain Jose 'ego' Mourinho says so...fickletards!
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Put the club before one player for once

Surely we know the relevance of Mata when he is not playing for us, its irrelevant if he is long gone or not, i ask again.....what is the win ration this season with and without Mata?
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I promised not to have this debate with you anymore, but hopefully, this should be the last!

Before i even answer that question...has Mata been given the same playing time as Oscar?
Jose already made his intentions known to the public, by stating that oscar will be his preferred No.10, even before Mata kicked a ball.

The real question you should be asking is this: how has oscar contributed to the victories, or does is it mean that the team's victories should be credited to oscar, just because he featured in the games?

Don't forget...where are trying to justify the reason for picking oscar ahead of Mata, as the team's no. 10.
So far, all i see oscar do is run around, tackle and ultimately fail in his primary duty as the so-called no.10

bloodyblu

Honest question, would you go back to the late days of AVB?

Late days of di Matteo

Mata has had plenty of playing time this season but has struggled, hence why he has not been picked as much as other players. season

I am not interested in how Oscar contributes individually (although he has scored quite a few goals i think), I am only interested in the best balance of the team and it seems so far, based on our preferred style of play and results this season that we are better balanced with Oscar than we are with Mata.

No...I wouldn't!
Personally, I still think that Oscar and Mata can play together.
Oscar isn’t a no. 10, he could be the deep lying playmaker,while Mata retains his no. 10 role.

But Mata was playing every week bloodyblu

Oscar isn’t a no. 10,
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Scolari and Mourinho beg to differ!

If JA606 was around in 2004, the same suspects would bash Mourinho and call for him to be sacked because he dropped Cudicini for Cech, or played Drogba ahead of Gudjohnsen.

True, but the team was different.
Don't forget...we won the CL and Europa with Mata in the team, so your arguement could go both ways.

Like I said, Oscar isn’t a no. 10, but a good CM, who Jose can use as the deep lying playmaker.
By the way...must we play with two holding mids?
So many teams play without a proper DM, yet; they retain possession, play beautifully, score lots of goals and still keep cleansheets.
The pivot is just overrated...Oscar could play deeper, Mata can still be the creative force, and we could still keep clean sheets.
Oh, I forgot...Jose is the Manager!

So many teams play without a proper DM, yet; they retain possession, play beautifully, score lots of goals and still keep cleansheets.
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how many PL teams are we talking about here and list their recent trophy haul...

I can see where bloodyblu is coming from, and why he's getting frustrated with the cop out line 'support the team'.

The fact is we're not like any other club besides possibly Real Madrid in this regard. Since the birth of the Abramovich era historically the players are ALOT more valuable than our managers, so when one manager appears to outright exile certain individuals it's natural for faction to develop within our fanbase (look at AVB's treatment of guys we didn't even care about 6 months prior to his appointment, and how that was recieved with a polarisating reaction).

Mata & Luiz are two of our best and most popular players, Mata is all of the most talented players we've ever been blessed to grace our tarf, is a better stereotypical no.10 than Oscar - the ONLY manager who could get away with treating them as potentially disposable is Mourinho (seriously imagine the outcry if Benitez did this regardless of the results).

If we somehow had a stone cold guarantee that Mourinho would be our manager 10-15 years from now when the likes of Mata & Luiz are past their primes this wouldn't be an issue for anybody besides the die hard of die hards for these guys. What's terrifying is the thought of one day ending up without Mata and/or Luiz aswell as Mourinho because of short sightedness on behalf of the board - something history suggests will repeat itself.

Mata & Luiz are two of our best and most popular players, Mata is all of the most talented players we've ever been blessed to grace our tarf, is a better stereotypical no.10 than Oscar - the ONLY manager who could get away with treating them as potentially disposable is Mourinho (seriously imagine the outcry if Benitez did this regardless of the results).
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But Mourinho is getting the results (so far) and also the improvement in the team.

And how many more mistakes does Luiz have to make before he loses the one of our best players tag?

did you actually watch Cahill tonight?

What's terrifying is the thought of one day ending up without Mata and/or Luiz
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Does not terrify me if we replace with better players

Biggish...it mustn't be a PL team.
Last I checked, other leagues are still in existence.
Talking about the PL...MUTD is a good example.
They've played the traditional 4-4-2, and still won loads of trophies.
A certain Scholes was their deep lying playmaker, they didn't have to buy muscular players to shield the back four.
Barca have won most of their trophies without a proper DM.
Come to think of it, isn't it ironic that the teams that didn't play with proper DMs are the most successful in recent times...no?

Luiz makes far less mistakes than some people like to imagine. That said, the polarisation in opinion on him, even within our board, is interesting I guess.

The PL has a unique style of football, therefore a manager must apply a style he thinks works best for the Pl...............Arsenal are the case study here

United winning trophies - Paul Ince, Roy Keane, Nicky Butt, Darren Fletcher, Owen Hargreaves

Scholes only played deep when his legs had gone, bit like Frank now

why is luiz even in this convo

he was mentioned in the original article

Doesn't matter the reason why Scholes played deep, the point is...mutd still won several trophies without a proper DM, let alone...two!

What's terrifying is the thought of one day ending up without Mata and/or Luiz
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Does not terrify me if we replace with better players
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Certainly would me unless those replacements were playing for Mourinho. In terms of technical football qualitiy, Mata is it - the next step up is Messi (flawless technical skill aswell as a tireless workrate). Luiz though more expendable as a brand of player that comes round in very short supply.

If we continue to play russian roulette with these guys patience and/or capacity to change, we better be completely commited to Mourinho and he better be equally commited to us. Don't get me wrong btw, that's actually what i want, i just have no faith in it transpiring

They won a lot more with the players I mentioned.