JFDI (U1657)

This is why I know you're still missing the point.

I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. I know full well we disagree about what LVG meant, and am fine with that.

My only point was to tell you that your comments regarding ridicule mean you're wrong, because in doing so, you've dismissed a logical explanation.

And you're right - it is all on this thread.

So each time you deny it, it becomes that little bit more ridiculous.

Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)

I have said what he meant.

The fact that you've trawled through this article and still can't find my points is particularly embarrassing.

I have quite clearly stated, as have others, that LVG was responding to criticism of his defence. He was making the point that, one game aside, his defence have been pretty good.

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I didn't trawl through, I just reviewed the first page of comments and pasted what you wrote.

Which is very much like option 1) I put earlier!



You clown.

No matter how much value you put on your own views, they will not impact mine.

I am not trying to argue with you or prove anything to you as I no this is a waste of time, your view will not change, neither will mine.

I will continue to refute any claims you make that I am wrong as I have not dismissed any logical explanation, I have chosen an alternative and you have recognised there are alternatives.

Your problem is you are trying to make this a lot more complicated than it s.

Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)

Well then, perhaps you should read a bit more than the first page, you moron.

JFDI (U1657)

They're not my views - they're facts.

You cannot ridicule someone when there is a logical explanation for their comments.

Well you can, but you look stupid.

You can call them what you like, they are your views, mine like many others differ.

You yourself said there are alternatives, therefore their are alternative views.

JFDI (U1657)

Are you hoping that by repeating yourself, the matter will go away?

Yes, there are alternative views.

But it's you dismissing alternative views - not me.

If one of the meanings is logical, how can you ridicule him?

You even said yourself that you agree with me on that point, but believe this is some sort of special case.

Seriously, you're starting to look silly.

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 16 minutes ago
Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)

Well then, perhaps you should read a bit more than the first page, you moron.

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Don't need to now that you've freely said - "I have quite clearly stated, as have others, that LVG was responding to criticism of his defence. He was making the point that, one game aside, his defence have been pretty good"

I especially like that : "as have others" bit... Thought a grown up like you wouldn't have needed the security blanket of other people's views to add credence to your own.

Or are you just going with the flow and they're not your own views?

you clown.

Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)

It was more to the point that you appear to have missed several people explaining the same thing.

Which, let's face it, points towards to you being a bit of a donut.

Wasnt the original point about how statistical outliers can be discounted?

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 54 seconds ago
JFDI (U1657)

Are you hoping that by repeating yourself, the matter will go away?

Yes, there are alternative views.

But it's you dismissing alternative views - not me.

If one of the meanings is logical, how can you ridicule him?

You even said yourself that you agree with me on that point, but believe this is some sort of special case.

Seriously, you're starting to look silly.

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I have not dismissed alternative views and if I have to repeat myself it is only because you continue to tell me I have when I have already said I accept your view but choose to have one of the alternative views.

It's not a special case, again you are drawing your own conclusions but I have never suggested that.

You seem determined to manipulate this discussion to suit your needs, you seem to be a very needy person.

JFDI (U1657)

When will you get it into your brain that I am not trying to convince you, or anyone, of the meaning of what LVG said?

It's a separate subject that I think yours and others' interpretation of what he said is laughable, but you are indeed entitled to your opinion.

Do you even know what you're arguing?


"It's not a special case, again you are drawing your own conclusions but I have never suggested that."

Well, after me telling you that you can't ridicule something that makes perfect sense, you said:

"You can in this instance, there aren't many but this is definitely one of them, so definitely one of them."

You sound ridiculous.

It may not happen very often but it does not mean that for me it is a special case, it may be for you, but then that would not surprise me.

I may seem ridiculous to you but that does not concern me.

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 10 minutes ago
Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)

It was more to the point that you appear to have missed several people explaining the same thing.

Which, let's face it, points towards to you being a bit of a donut.
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I wasn't asking what other people thought, just what you thought.

You clown <clown>

If you felt you needed the security of 'others' you can't be that convinced?

In any case your view is very similar to the 1) mentioned earlier, so how you can say it's not 1) or 2) is a falsehood.

Clown

JFDI (U1657)

It doesn't make any sense.

You just said it doesn't happen often so that you could carry on claiming your comment wasn't incorrect.

That must be the 100th time you've told me that my view doesn't concern you.

The lady doth protest...

Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)

Yep, and I was pointing out that my view had been written several times, along with it being repeated by several others.

Yet you missed it.

No security needed - just using that point to show what an uneducated buffoon you are.

And here you are, continuing to show everyone that's exactly the case.

I protest no more than you do, just with less insults.

Again, it is down to personal interpretation. Once you understand that we, people in general have a right to view things our way, rather than the Winston way we might get close to resolution, I don't see that happening anytime soon.

Ok ok lads and ladies, write down your argument in brief, if you would, so I can get up to date without reading the 350 comments. Cheers in advance

JFDI (U1657)

Again you're wrong.

There's no protesting from me - it's not my comment we are discussing.

It's not down to personal interpretation.

Do you realise that you can't just make a statement, call it an opinion, and then agree that no one is right?

If the statement is wrong, then it's not an opinion.

Perhaps one day you can make yourself a cup of tea, read the thread back and you'll see where you went wrong.

I am not agreeing to anything, I have merely pointed out that we disagree.

I will not accept your view that my opinion is wrong, to do that I would need to change my opinion, and I can't, I am happy with my opinion. It is different to yours and you can't accept that,

Your problem, not mine.

JFDI (U1657)

"I will not accept your view that my opinion is wrong"

I'm curious - do you read anything anyone says to you?

I have quite clearly stated, multiple times, this isn't about your opinion.

The fault behind your statement is that it's flawed. It therefore ceases to become an opinion, and is just an incorrect statement.

Let me know when you actually get your head around that point.

comment by Shinjisshin (U1700)
posted 2 minutes ago
Ok ok lads and ladies, write down your argument in brief, if you would, so I can get up to date without reading the 350 comments. Cheers in advance
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I think the jist is one think LVG is papering over cracks by saying

"take out the 5 goals Vs Leicester & we're defensivly as good as Chelsea"

The other is saying the comments merely reflect LVG saying that the defence is unfairly getting greif, even though they have been pretty solid in all games except the Leicester one.

That was in comments 1-20.

Comments 21-3,000,000 is a mydick is bigger than yourdick spunkathon, with lots of repetition and not nearly enough reach arounds

"Comments 21-3,000,000 is a mydick is bigger than yourdick spunkathon"

Probably about right.

But here's my summary:

- Some non United fans jumped on LVG's comments, interpreting them (ridiculously) in a certain way, and trying to ridicule him for it.

- It was then pointed out to those people that, actually, there's a [far more] plausible explanation, which is logical.

- Those fans have then tried to persist with their ridiculing of LVG, ignoring the logical explanation and the fact that if you try to ridicule someone who has said something perfectly plausible, then you are actually the idiot.

After that it's just the usual 'can't admit I'm wrong' car crash that takes place at the end of any debate on this forum.

I think Winston is banking on

1. that LVG's statement is factually correct and 2. data analysts often allows for statistical outliers by admitting them from the anlysis

and JFDI is arguing that you cannot discount the Leicester game from any analysis of the United defence

Blarmy - I must be the only Brit that actually likes foreigners (U14547)

Not really.

The crux of it now is just that you can't go around ridiculing someone for saying something that has a perfectly plausible explanation.