There are two kinds of people in the UK. Those who see the word UKIP and automatically conjure up this image of hate and prejudice. There are others who see it as a party finally willing to speak about issues that need firm attention.
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What about those who think they're not a credible party on every national issue outside of immigration and the EU?
Did you read the manifest then rauben?
What points in particular do you disagree with?
Or is it because the daily mail told you.
Sorry that came across bitchy
It's irrelevant whether you close the borders or not. People will still be radicalised within the country. These cells will be completely isolated and have no contact with whatever terrorist organisation they're with. That's why you have little chance of stopping it, there's no 'chatter' to intercept.
Smoking indoors and bringing back the death penalty.
Two UKIP policies that totally ridicule their credibility.
Maybe Europe will waken up and control immigration and movement of people and stop fighting this war on terror with both hands tied behind its back.
Politicians are terrified of being label as racists or anti-islamic and therefore are unwilling to take the necessary steps to protect borders, to refuse entry to suspected militants or extremists and remove extremists.
A good example being the "British" Guantanamo prisoner who was born in Saudi moved to Britain when he was 28 a few years later went to Afghanistan- as you do- to carry out charity work.
This guy is not British and wasnt detained for 13 years for nothing, David Cameron should have sent him straight to Saudi Arabia but would have been to frightened of the liberal BBC/ Guardian media storm to do that.
Personally I hope Britain votes to leave the EU, we need to control our borders and our laws not Strasbourg- a bunch of free-loading handwringers.
The way to stop terrorism is intelligence not immigration control. You can't seriously believe that if someone was minded to commit an act of terrorism they'd look at border controls and go 'oh well, that's me stumped'!
There are far too many routes into the country, both legal (holiday/short term visa) or illegal, to be able to effectively mitigate the risk of a terror attack.
There is a genuine debate to be had around immigration and personally I don't dismiss those that want tighter controls as simply racist. However, Farage (or anyone else) bringing terrorism into the discussion cheapens that debate in my opinion. It's scare-mongering, nothing more.
If they are not in the country they cant attack it!!
Think of the 100's possibly 1000's of extremists crossing the Med posing as poor refugees and looking to set up life in a EU country with the intention of carrying out future atrocities!!
comment by MeganAndDanielsDad (U5547)
posted 1 minute ago
If they are not in the country they cant attack it!!
Think of the 100's possibly 1000's of extremists crossing the Med posing as poor refugees and looking to set up life in a EU country with the intention of carrying out future atrocities!!
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How on earth do you propose that is stopped? Making it illegal to do? Part of the problem is that people use illegal means to enter countries. There are huge numbers of illegal aliens in every country in Western Europe.
If someone wanted to plan and carry out a terror attack then border control isn't going to stop it.
People already on the defensive here.
I'm not talking about voting for UKIP and the quality of their other policies.im merely referring to the reaction of anyone suggesting we control our borders.
Also, corporal punishment is something many people still agree with (contrary to your dismissal).
A UKIP/Conservative coalition might work.
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 14 minutes ago
People already on the defensive here.
I'm not talking about voting for UKIP and the quality of their other policies.im merely referring to the reaction of anyone suggesting we control our borders.
Also, corporal punishment is something many people still agree with (contrary to your dismissal).
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Do you mean capital punishment?
I don't vote for a one policy party in any election as they have no credibility.
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 6 minutes ago
People already on the defensive here.
I'm not talking about voting for UKIP and the quality of their other policies.im merely referring to the reaction of anyone suggesting we control our borders.
Also, corporal punishment is something many people still agree with (contrary to your dismissal).
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Controlling our borders will only stop people who want to come in legitimately. If people want to cause harm they will still get in. And most people who carry out these attacks are home grown terrorists, so how's closing borders going to stop them?
People aren't going on the defensive at all, they're just highlighting what a terrible, ill thought article this is.
And why are people protesting about our security services intercepting our calls and emails?? These lefty kids think their liberty is being taken away it it keeps us safe from these rats.
Lefty morons like Corbyn also coming out saying it's as that Jihadi John was killed and he should have been made to stand trial in the UK.
Such delusion....
controlling our borders will help stop them getting in, and when found they should not be detained in the UK for years they should be sent straight back, hopefully this a wake up call!!
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UKIP only became relevant because they were the only ones to question the EU relationship firmly and firmly question immigration policy.
If someone else (probably only the conservatives could/would) just stepped up and said these two things need addressing, then UKIP would vanish overnight because that's the only leg they can stand on that differentiates them.
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Controlling our borders will only stop people who want to come in legitimately. If people want to cause harm they will still get in. And most people who carry out these attacks are home grown terrorists, so how's closing borders going to stop them?
People aren't going on the defensive at all, they're just highlighting what a terrible, ill thought article this is.
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All hot air from you again Term. You've always had a personal problem with me and you've spent the last few years 1 starring and opposing any comments/articles I produce.
If you think the suggestion of controlling the people coming into your country is terrible and ill thought then you need to grow up.
Even if this reduced the problem by 10% it would be beneficial.
And why would it stop legitimate people? It's designed to ensure these people are allowed entry.
Once again, you're misguided and it's making you look daft.
Don't let personal issues cloud your judgement boy.
Yep because closed borders are really going to solve the problem
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Lee_Rigby
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 12 minutes ago
Controlling our borders will only stop people who want to come in legitimately. If people want to cause harm they will still get in. And most people who carry out these attacks are home grown terrorists, so how's closing borders going to stop them?
People aren't going on the defensive at all, they're just highlighting what a terrible, ill thought article this is.
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All hot air from you again Term. You've always had a personal problem with me and you've spent the last few years 1 starring and opposing any comments/articles I produce.
If you think the suggestion of controlling the people coming into your country is terrible and ill thought then you need to grow up.
Even if this reduced the problem by 10% it would be beneficial.
And why would it stop legitimate people? It's designed to ensure these people are allowed entry.
Once again, you're misguided and it's making you look daft.
Don't let personal issues cloud your judgement boy.
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Shut up you clown. How would you know I've one started an article?
I've shown I have a far greater understanding of these matters than yourself. You've just bleated out the same old generic cliche's that I see uneducated idiots post on Facebook on a daily basis, in an attempt to whip up a storm.
I'll explain again for you. People who are coming into a country to cause harm very rarely enter through controlled entry points. And most attacks will be by home grown terrorists, so border control is pointless in stopping them. It's pretty much a vote winning tactic used by political party's, but has little practical effect in stopping terrorism.
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England needs to look after itself first, and if closing the borders means reducing the risk of terrorist attack by ANY number then the action is justified - in my opinion.
The thought of my sons being out having fun on a Friday night and having their lives taken away in such an attack is simply terrifying.
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posted on 14/11/15
There are two kinds of people in the UK. Those who see the word UKIP and automatically conjure up this image of hate and prejudice. There are others who see it as a party finally willing to speak about issues that need firm attention.
_________________________________
What about those who think they're not a credible party on every national issue outside of immigration and the EU?
posted on 14/11/15
Did you read the manifest then rauben?
What points in particular do you disagree with?
Or is it because the daily mail told you.
posted on 14/11/15
Sorry that came across bitchy
posted on 14/11/15
It's irrelevant whether you close the borders or not. People will still be radicalised within the country. These cells will be completely isolated and have no contact with whatever terrorist organisation they're with. That's why you have little chance of stopping it, there's no 'chatter' to intercept.
posted on 14/11/15
Smoking indoors and bringing back the death penalty.
Two UKIP policies that totally ridicule their credibility.
posted on 14/11/15
Maybe Europe will waken up and control immigration and movement of people and stop fighting this war on terror with both hands tied behind its back.
Politicians are terrified of being label as racists or anti-islamic and therefore are unwilling to take the necessary steps to protect borders, to refuse entry to suspected militants or extremists and remove extremists.
A good example being the "British" Guantanamo prisoner who was born in Saudi moved to Britain when he was 28 a few years later went to Afghanistan- as you do- to carry out charity work.
This guy is not British and wasnt detained for 13 years for nothing, David Cameron should have sent him straight to Saudi Arabia but would have been to frightened of the liberal BBC/ Guardian media storm to do that.
Personally I hope Britain votes to leave the EU, we need to control our borders and our laws not Strasbourg- a bunch of free-loading handwringers.
posted on 14/11/15
The way to stop terrorism is intelligence not immigration control. You can't seriously believe that if someone was minded to commit an act of terrorism they'd look at border controls and go 'oh well, that's me stumped'!
There are far too many routes into the country, both legal (holiday/short term visa) or illegal, to be able to effectively mitigate the risk of a terror attack.
There is a genuine debate to be had around immigration and personally I don't dismiss those that want tighter controls as simply racist. However, Farage (or anyone else) bringing terrorism into the discussion cheapens that debate in my opinion. It's scare-mongering, nothing more.
posted on 14/11/15
If they are not in the country they cant attack it!!
Think of the 100's possibly 1000's of extremists crossing the Med posing as poor refugees and looking to set up life in a EU country with the intention of carrying out future atrocities!!
posted on 14/11/15
comment by MeganAndDanielsDad (U5547)
posted 1 minute ago
If they are not in the country they cant attack it!!
Think of the 100's possibly 1000's of extremists crossing the Med posing as poor refugees and looking to set up life in a EU country with the intention of carrying out future atrocities!!
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How on earth do you propose that is stopped? Making it illegal to do? Part of the problem is that people use illegal means to enter countries. There are huge numbers of illegal aliens in every country in Western Europe.
If someone wanted to plan and carry out a terror attack then border control isn't going to stop it.
posted on 14/11/15
People already on the defensive here.
I'm not talking about voting for UKIP and the quality of their other policies.im merely referring to the reaction of anyone suggesting we control our borders.
Also, corporal punishment is something many people still agree with (contrary to your dismissal).
posted on 14/11/15
A UKIP/Conservative coalition might work.
posted on 14/11/15
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 14 minutes ago
People already on the defensive here.
I'm not talking about voting for UKIP and the quality of their other policies.im merely referring to the reaction of anyone suggesting we control our borders.
Also, corporal punishment is something many people still agree with (contrary to your dismissal).
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Do you mean capital punishment?
I don't vote for a one policy party in any election as they have no credibility.
posted on 14/11/15
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 6 minutes ago
People already on the defensive here.
I'm not talking about voting for UKIP and the quality of their other policies.im merely referring to the reaction of anyone suggesting we control our borders.
Also, corporal punishment is something many people still agree with (contrary to your dismissal).
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Controlling our borders will only stop people who want to come in legitimately. If people want to cause harm they will still get in. And most people who carry out these attacks are home grown terrorists, so how's closing borders going to stop them?
People aren't going on the defensive at all, they're just highlighting what a terrible, ill thought article this is.
posted on 14/11/15
And why are people protesting about our security services intercepting our calls and emails?? These lefty kids think their liberty is being taken away it it keeps us safe from these rats.
posted on 14/11/15
Lefty morons like Corbyn also coming out saying it's as that Jihadi John was killed and he should have been made to stand trial in the UK.
Such delusion....
posted on 14/11/15
controlling our borders will help stop them getting in, and when found they should not be detained in the UK for years they should be sent straight back, hopefully this a wake up call!!
posted on 14/11/15
*it's sad that
posted on 14/11/15
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posted on 14/11/15
UKIP only became relevant because they were the only ones to question the EU relationship firmly and firmly question immigration policy.
If someone else (probably only the conservatives could/would) just stepped up and said these two things need addressing, then UKIP would vanish overnight because that's the only leg they can stand on that differentiates them.
posted on 14/11/15
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 14/11/15
Controlling our borders will only stop people who want to come in legitimately. If people want to cause harm they will still get in. And most people who carry out these attacks are home grown terrorists, so how's closing borders going to stop them?
People aren't going on the defensive at all, they're just highlighting what a terrible, ill thought article this is.
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All hot air from you again Term. You've always had a personal problem with me and you've spent the last few years 1 starring and opposing any comments/articles I produce.
If you think the suggestion of controlling the people coming into your country is terrible and ill thought then you need to grow up.
Even if this reduced the problem by 10% it would be beneficial.
And why would it stop legitimate people? It's designed to ensure these people are allowed entry.
Once again, you're misguided and it's making you look daft.
Don't let personal issues cloud your judgement boy.
posted on 14/11/15
Yep because closed borders are really going to solve the problem
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Lee_Rigby
posted on 14/11/15
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 12 minutes ago
Controlling our borders will only stop people who want to come in legitimately. If people want to cause harm they will still get in. And most people who carry out these attacks are home grown terrorists, so how's closing borders going to stop them?
People aren't going on the defensive at all, they're just highlighting what a terrible, ill thought article this is.
------
All hot air from you again Term. You've always had a personal problem with me and you've spent the last few years 1 starring and opposing any comments/articles I produce.
If you think the suggestion of controlling the people coming into your country is terrible and ill thought then you need to grow up.
Even if this reduced the problem by 10% it would be beneficial.
And why would it stop legitimate people? It's designed to ensure these people are allowed entry.
Once again, you're misguided and it's making you look daft.
Don't let personal issues cloud your judgement boy.
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Shut up you clown. How would you know I've one started an article?
I've shown I have a far greater understanding of these matters than yourself. You've just bleated out the same old generic cliche's that I see uneducated idiots post on Facebook on a daily basis, in an attempt to whip up a storm.
I'll explain again for you. People who are coming into a country to cause harm very rarely enter through controlled entry points. And most attacks will be by home grown terrorists, so border control is pointless in stopping them. It's pretty much a vote winning tactic used by political party's, but has little practical effect in stopping terrorism.
posted on 14/11/15
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posted on 14/11/15
England needs to look after itself first, and if closing the borders means reducing the risk of terrorist attack by ANY number then the action is justified - in my opinion.
The thought of my sons being out having fun on a Friday night and having their lives taken away in such an attack is simply terrifying.
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