comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 18 minutes ago
If the EU has a working directive and the govt of said country decides to ignore it, how is that the EUs fault?

Should the EU invade and enforce the country to abide by its directives?
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Oh my.....
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While the second question was facetious the first raises a point.

If local authorities don't police it, its hardly the EU's fault.
However, people should be more aware of their rights, just as ignorance of the law isn't an excuse, they should be clued up on their working rights too.
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To be honest Red you've got a jobseeker environment that overwhelmingly favours the employer. You've also got a government pressuring those unfortunate enough to be unemployed into finding a job or they will have their benefits cut/revoked.

What will people do. They'll take the first available job with no power to say to a prospective employer that the terms of the contract are unacceptable, and they are in the position to turn the offer down.

comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 1 hour, 22 minutes ago
Find it funny that HRH was asking what percentage of people on ZHC's are from the EU. But then states;

"employers are getting foreign labour in not because they work harder, but because they are willing to take zero hours contracts whereas Brits generally do not like to"

How can you say the above but not know how many EU citizens are on ZHC's.
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Err, because I did not write the article

If you hadnt disingenuously omitted the first few words it would be facking obvious.

"I linked an article a few weeks back.

The crux was that employers are getting foreign labour in not because they work harder, but because they are willing to take zero hours contracts whereas Brits generally do not like to."

comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 50 minutes ago
If migrants from abroad are able to stay in the UK pay rent, and live a life, on zero hour contracts then de facto they must be working hard.
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Who says they do not work hard.

Much evidence they work 2/3 jobs.

Completely missing the facking point because you are obsessed everyone hates immigrants

You're agreeing with me then saying I'm missing the point.

Ok

comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 50 minutes ago
If migrants from abroad are able to stay in the UK pay rent, and live a life, on zero hour contracts then de facto they must be working hard.
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Who says they do not work hard.

Much evidence they work 2/3 jobs.

Completely missing the facking point because you are obsessed everyone hates immigrants



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With regards to living expenses, it's not unusual to find several families living in one house. If three couples are sharing a three bed house then rent stops being a problem.

comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 1 hour, 22 minutes ago
Find it funny that HRH was asking what percentage of people on ZHC's are from the EU. But then states;

"employers are getting foreign labour in not because they work harder, but because they are willing to take zero hours contracts whereas Brits generally do not like to"

How can you say the above but not know how many EU citizens are on ZHC's.
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Err, because I did not write the article

If you hadnt disingenuously omitted the first few words it would be facking obvious.

"I linked an article a few weeks back.

The crux was that employers are getting foreign labour in not because they work harder, but because they are willing to take zero hours contracts whereas Brits generally do not like to."
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HRH

So you've not got a clue how many EU migrants take ZHC's?

Did the article you posted back the claim up with any evidence?

"With 38% of these contracts held by 16-to-24-year-olds"

This is from the ONS. Do you think EU migrants outweigh 16-24 year olds percentage wise?

comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 1 hour, 22 minutes ago
Find it funny that HRH was asking what percentage of people on ZHC's are from the EU. But then states;

"employers are getting foreign labour in not because they work harder, but because they are willing to take zero hours contracts whereas Brits generally do not like to"

How can you say the above but not know how many EU citizens are on ZHC's.
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Err, because I did not write the article

If you hadnt disingenuously omitted the first few words it would be facking obvious.

"I linked an article a few weeks back.

The crux was that employers are getting foreign labour in not because they work harder, but because they are willing to take zero hours contracts whereas Brits generally do not like to."
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HRH

So you've not got a clue how many EU migrants take ZHC's?

Did the article you posted back the claim up with any evidence?

"With 38% of these contracts held by 16-to-24-year-olds"

This is from the ONS. Do you think EU migrants outweigh 16-24 year olds percentage wise?
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No, I asked the same question earlier as you well know.

The article was actuallt by someone in business, a spokesperson on behalf of a group of them I believe. I will try and dig it out. I was in a discussion with Red and Mudd when I posted it, fack knows why he is asking for it.

Why are 16-24 year olds mutually exclusive from migrants? For all you know most of those 16-24yr olds may be migrants

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexitvote/2016/06/15/flexible-friends-why-employers-hire-eastern-european-migrants-in-order-to-grow/

Why do recruiters hire eastern European migrants? The answer is not that they have a better work ethic, writes Heather Rolfe. The employers surveyed by the NIESR say they are seeking flexibility and want to recruit people on temporary and zero-hour contracts, which British workers are often unwilling or unable to accept. But this flexibility enables businesses to grow and prosper in a way that would otherwise be impossible.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/number-of-workers-on-zero-hours-contracts-has-risen-by-more-than-110000-statistics-show-10070269.html

Zero-hours contracts, which do not guarantee a minimum number of hours, are more likely to affect women, young workers and immigrants

Maccy Ds are a big user.

I dont know about where you live, but any onee I go in London seems to be staffed exclusively with Europeans. They have their flag on their badge

Temp agencies are needed by business, and they are essentially zero hours contracts.

Some people need to work as temps too. Those with childcare responsibilities need flexibility. Students etc.



What 100% needs to be cracked down on is being sent home once called on. If someone asks for you to work, you should get the work, or be paid for it anyway.

If you need to go through any checks prior to it, or after, that should be paid time too.

Lunch breaks you do not get paid for anyway as standard. I get an hour break and that is not contracted pay

http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk_57626bdbe4b0681487dc8761?edition=uk

“Today that same site is owned by Mike Ashley’s Sports Direct, where he employs 200 full-time employees and 3,000 people, mainly eastern Europeans, on zero-hours contracts,” he said.

^Corbyn




Were zero hours contracts EVER an issue before the Eastern European expansion of the EU?

I do not recall it being so. I was a temp myself for several months in my younger years

Question for Corbyn and Remain fans....

Would you prefer:

1. Democratically elected Corbyn and democratically voted for Leave both continue on.

2. For neither to happen - Corbyn ousted and Article 50 refused by parliament?

arab u peasant, ur presence is required on the enders thread

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36864273

Britain's decision to leave the EU has led to a "dramatic deterioration" in economic activity, not seen since the aftermath of the financial crisis.
Data from IHS Markit's Purchasing Manager's Index, or PMI, shows a fall to 47.7 in July, the lowest level since April in 2009. A reading below 50 indicates contraction.
Both manufacturing and service sectors saw a decline in output and orders.
However, exports picked up, driven by the weakening of the pound.
The report surveyed more than 650 services companies, from sectors including transport, business services, computing and restaurants.
It is the first significant set of data measuring business reaction to the result of the UK referendum.

No one has claimed that there may not be a short term effect, so it shouldn't be a shock or a major concern to any level headed, sensible individual.....

comment by I want a Manè but can't grow my hair (U1863)
posted 51 seconds ago
No one has claimed that there may not be a short term effect, so it shouldn't be a shock or a major concern to any level headed, sensible individual.....
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Is it short term though?

We're talking two years to negotiate our exit. Followed by however long to then establish trade agreements with whoever, these can take up to 10 years to negotiate.

comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by I want a Manè but can't grow my hair (U1863)
posted 51 seconds ago
No one has claimed that there may not be a short term effect, so it shouldn't be a shock or a major concern to any level headed, sensible individual.....
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Is it short term though?

We're talking two years to negotiate our exit. Followed by however long to then establish trade agreements with whoever, these can take up to 10 years to negotiate.
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I have no idea. Do you?

comment by I want a Manè but can't grow my hair (U1863)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by I want a Manè but can't grow my hair (U1863)
posted 51 seconds ago
No one has claimed that there may not be a short term effect, so it shouldn't be a shock or a major concern to any level headed, sensible individual.....
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Is it short term though?

We're talking two years to negotiate our exit. Followed by however long to then establish trade agreements with whoever, these can take up to 10 years to negotiate.
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I have no idea. Do you?
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Would you call a possible 12 years of market instability short term?

comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted about a minute ago
comment by I want a Manè but can't grow my hair (U1863)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by I want a Manè but can't grow my hair (U1863)
posted 51 seconds ago
No one has claimed that there may not be a short term effect, so it shouldn't be a shock or a major concern to any level headed, sensible individual.....
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Is it short term though?

We're talking two years to negotiate our exit. Followed by however long to then establish trade agreements with whoever, these can take up to 10 years to negotiate.
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I have no idea. Do you?
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Would you call a possible 12 years of market instability short term?
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The key word is possible, meaning it may or may not happen. Complete speculation is just that, speculation.

Term

Let's take a recent example.

"Renegotiating these agreements would take time: as an example, negotiations on the EU’s trade agreement with Canada started in 2009 and were only concluded with the legal review of the texts in February 2016"

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexitvote/2016/03/04/leaving-the-eu-would-mean-renegotiating-more-than-100-trade-agreements/

Recent trade agreements with Canada took 7 years. So that's two years from article 60 being invoked and, using the above example, a further 7 years on top. So we can say conservatively it'll be 9 years.

That's only negotiating with one country, it will take longer to negotiate with numerous countries.

Is it really going to be short term?

Or it brings stability, I doubt we would invoke article 50 without first having major trade agreements lined up.

comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 28 seconds ago
Or it brings stability, I doubt we would invoke article 50 without first having major trade agreements lined up.
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I think we're not allowed to begin negotiations until we've officially left the EU. Even if we begin negotiations on the sly in that two year period I'd imagine we'll be too busy negotiating trade with the EU first.

Point being that this market instability isn't going to be short term, as suggested.

Coutinho I meant negotiations with extra-EU countries.

Invoking article 50 and then negotiating with other countries would be absolutely disastrous.

They would just time waste on reaching an agreement with us until we are desperate enough to agree to some ridiculous demands.

Can we forward this thread to the LSE, so that we may all get honorary degrees.

I'm sure we've put more time into this than some students put into their dissertations.