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Many people have lived in my house. We are the current occupants. I guess if the owners from 1965 turned up to reclaim it I shouldn't oppose. I shouldn't also fight back when they offer us the back bedroom as consolation.
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You are wasting my time with hypothetical points which have no relation to this issue.
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It seems to be part of the logic that justifies Israel, they used to live there so have a claim.
In feets example they used to live there as well.
In feets example they used to live there a few thousands years more recently.
Israel doesn't get some special example which makes it different. Used to live there doesn't seem to be classed as justification for stealing land for other people's so why Israel?
The answer can only be bias, there's no reasonable reason Israel should be allowed to take other people's land and have it be their fault for not allowing it to happen.
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Counting that's different French and Dutch people are largely white and Christian so taking their land would be wrong.
Look for a close to 3000 year old claim on some land owned by some Muslims instead and give them that land, if they fight back then they deserve all the punishment they get...
I really don't get it either, I think you have to start with the position that Israel is in the right and people who oppose them are in the wrong.
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The area has had many peoples living there.
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So has London...
Think you might get some fighting if you had a foreign people try to kick the locals out and take it for themselves regardless.
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Using the same logic the Italians can rock up and lay claim to London. After all it was the Romans who originally established London as we know it.
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No Romans don't come from London. Really all these hypotheticals just muddy the issue. Easier if you just stick to facts.
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Nobody comes from London, humanity originated elsewhere, Jewish people have resided in Israel previously as have Romans in London previously.
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So where do you think Jewish people should live?
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You don't just give people a country just because.
You don't then blame the people whose land you are giving away for fighting back.
If your countries land was just given away to a foreign people for nothing you'd done you'd definately have a problem with it.
America has caused massive destruction because of 3,000+ deaths and a few buildings.
Imagine what they would want to do if they had suffered like the Palestinians have?
Why weren't gypsies given California or any of the other groups that were targeted by Adolf, having bad stuff happen to you doesn't give you the right to do it to others, there was nothing that said they had to be given Palestinian land and that the natives had to simply step aside and let their land get stolen.
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The partition plan was approved by the UN. And subsequently most nations recognised the state of Israel.
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America bribing a bunch of countries and the Soviets acting in the interests of potentially securing a ally doesn't make it right.
If the League of Nations had approved of the holocaust would that make it any less wrong?
I wouldn't think so but your logic would suggest so...
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"The partition plan was approved by the UN. And subsequently most nations recognised the state of Israel"
Where the Palestinians (or Muslims due to be forced out) represented on The UN council that made this decision?
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If London was given to some Italians and the locals kicked out by the UN do you think Britian would just sit by and let it happen?
Let me guess this doesn't count because London doesn't contain mainly Muslim people...
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"Russia kept hold of large parts of the land after the war but allowed Berlin to be partitioned. Are you really saying Jews should have had their national homeland in Germany?"
Where were most of the Jews from before WW2? Weren't most already living in Germany & Europe?
I don't see why they couldn't have established a homeland in a part of Germany as their own. They could've called it whatever they want, as The UN did with Israel. It would've been more appropriate than forcing Muslim people from their land against their will.
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Counting that's different French and Dutch people are largely white and Christian so taking their land would be wrong.
Look for a close to 3000 year old claim on some land owned by some Muslims instead and give them that land, if they fight back then they deserve all the punishment they get...
I really don't get it either, I think you have to start with the position that Israel is in the right and people who oppose them are in the wrong.
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The area has had many peoples living there.
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So has London...
Think you might get some fighting if you had a foreign people try to kick the locals out and take it for themselves regardless.
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Using the same logic the Italians can rock up and lay claim to London. After all it was the Romans who originally established London as we know it.
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No Romans don't come from London. Really all these hypotheticals just muddy the issue. Easier if you just stick to facts.
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Nobody comes from London, humanity originated elsewhere, Jewish people have resided in Israel previously as have Romans in London previously.
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So where do you think Jewish people should live?
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You don't just give people a country just because.
You don't then blame the people whose land you are giving away for fighting back.
If your countries land was just given away to a foreign people for nothing you'd done you'd definately have a problem with it.
America has caused massive destruction because of 3,000+ deaths and a few buildings.
Imagine what they would want to do if they had suffered like the Palestinians have?
Why weren't gypsies given California or any of the other groups that were targeted by Adolf, having bad stuff happen to you doesn't give you the right to do it to others, there was nothing that said they had to be given Palestinian land and that the natives had to simply step aside and let their land get stolen.
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The partition plan was approved by the UN. And subsequently most nations recognised the state of Israel.
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America bribing a bunch of countries and the Soviets acting in the interests of potentially securing a ally doesn't make it right.
If the League of Nations had approved of the holocaust would that make it any less wrong?
I wouldn't think so but your logic would suggest so...
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'If the League of Nations had approved of the holocaust'
Seriously that is just ridiculous.
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So international bodies approving of bad things doesn't make them okay?
Funny how your biases seem to massively change your views, if it involves Israel different rules apply everytime.
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"The partition plan was approved by the UN. And subsequently most nations recognised the state of Israel"
Where the Palestinians (or Muslims due to be forced out) represented on The UN council that made this decision?
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The movement of Arabs from the area was largely because of the subsequent war instigated by many neighbouring Arab states.
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Did Palestinians/those due to be displaced have any representation on The UN when the partition plan was agreed?
Is there another example you can think off where you approve of the native people getting kicked off the land for people who used to live there thousands of years ago?
Or did Israel happen to be the one perfect situation in history where doing this was acceptable?
I mean I can't actually imagine anybody justifying doing it anywhere else with any group of people, it's such a ridicolous notion but maybe an Israel supporter can think of another example and show us Israel isn't an exception to the rule?
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"The partition plan was approved by the UN. And subsequently most nations recognised the state of Israel"
Where the Palestinians (or Muslims due to be forced out) represented on The UN council that made this decision?
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The movement of Arabs from the area was largely because of the subsequent war instigated by many neighbouring Arab states.
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Did Palestinians/those due to be displaced have any representation on The UN when the partition plan was agreed?
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The clue is in the name.
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Doesn't mean they were represented though. Yes or no will do?
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Counting that's different French and Dutch people are largely white and Christian so taking their land would be wrong.
Look for a close to 3000 year old claim on some land owned by some Muslims instead and give them that land, if they fight back then they deserve all the punishment they get...
I really don't get it either, I think you have to start with the position that Israel is in the right and people who oppose them are in the wrong.
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The area has had many peoples living there.
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So has London...
Think you might get some fighting if you had a foreign people try to kick the locals out and take it for themselves regardless.
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Using the same logic the Italians can rock up and lay claim to London. After all it was the Romans who originally established London as we know it.
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No Romans don't come from London. Really all these hypotheticals just muddy the issue. Easier if you just stick to facts.
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Nobody comes from London, humanity originated elsewhere, Jewish people have resided in Israel previously as have Romans in London previously.
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So where do you think Jewish people should live?
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You don't just give people a country just because.
You don't then blame the people whose land you are giving away for fighting back.
If your countries land was just given away to a foreign people for nothing you'd done you'd definately have a problem with it.
America has caused massive destruction because of 3,000+ deaths and a few buildings.
Imagine what they would want to do if they had suffered like the Palestinians have?
Why weren't gypsies given California or any of the other groups that were targeted by Adolf, having bad stuff happen to you doesn't give you the right to do it to others, there was nothing that said they had to be given Palestinian land and that the natives had to simply step aside and let their land get stolen.
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The partition plan was approved by the UN. And subsequently most nations recognised the state of Israel.
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America bribing a bunch of countries and the Soviets acting in the interests of potentially securing a ally doesn't make it right.
If the League of Nations had approved of the holocaust would that make it any less wrong?
I wouldn't think so but your logic would suggest so...
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'If the League of Nations had approved of the holocaust'
Seriously that is just ridiculous.
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So international bodies approving of bad things doesn't make them okay?
Funny how your biases seem to massively change your views, if it involves Israel different rules apply everytime.
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I am sticking with the UN you are talking about them approving the holocaust for some bizarre reason.
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It's pretty clear Cal does an international body approving of something make it somehow right ?
You seem to think it justifies Israel so it would justify other bad things as well surely?
Or is this another case of you only apply this logic when it benefits Israel?
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"The partition plan was approved by the UN. And subsequently most nations recognised the state of Israel"
Where the Palestinians (or Muslims due to be forced out) represented on The UN council that made this decision?
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The movement of Arabs from the area was largely because of the subsequent war instigated by many neighbouring Arab states.
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Did Palestinians/those due to be displaced have any representation on The UN when the partition plan was agreed?
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The clue is in the name.
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Doesn't mean they were represented though. Yes or no will do?
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United Nations. Meaning nations, Think you can work it out from here.
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So Palestine had a seat at the table then?
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Not only were the Palestinians not represented but the Americans and Soviet Russia both worked to secure the votes of other countries through pressure and various other means.
The few countries that truely had a free vote on the matter mainly voted against the foundation of Israel.
Cal
https://www.quora.com/United-Nations-What-countries-are-not-part-of-the-UN
They weren't. Why would a country/state accept the partition plan when they had been excluded from negotiations?
The UN basically said 'we've had a chat and this is what we've decided'. It is any wonder the Palestinians didn't go for it?
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Counting that's different French and Dutch people are largely white and Christian so taking their land would be wrong.
Look for a close to 3000 year old claim on some land owned by some Muslims instead and give them that land, if they fight back then they deserve all the punishment they get...
I really don't get it either, I think you have to start with the position that Israel is in the right and people who oppose them are in the wrong.
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The area has had many peoples living there.
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So has London...
Think you might get some fighting if you had a foreign people try to kick the locals out and take it for themselves regardless.
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Using the same logic the Italians can rock up and lay claim to London. After all it was the Romans who originally established London as we know it.
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No Romans don't come from London. Really all these hypotheticals just muddy the issue. Easier if you just stick to facts.
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Nobody comes from London, humanity originated elsewhere, Jewish people have resided in Israel previously as have Romans in London previously.
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So where do you think Jewish people should live?
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You don't just give people a country just because.
You don't then blame the people whose land you are giving away for fighting back.
If your countries land was just given away to a foreign people for nothing you'd done you'd definately have a problem with it.
America has caused massive destruction because of 3,000+ deaths and a few buildings.
Imagine what they would want to do if they had suffered like the Palestinians have?
Why weren't gypsies given California or any of the other groups that were targeted by Adolf, having bad stuff happen to you doesn't give you the right to do it to others, there was nothing that said they had to be given Palestinian land and that the natives had to simply step aside and let their land get stolen.
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The partition plan was approved by the UN. And subsequently most nations recognised the state of Israel.
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America bribing a bunch of countries and the Soviets acting in the interests of potentially securing a ally doesn't make it right.
If the League of Nations had approved of the holocaust would that make it any less wrong?
I wouldn't think so but your logic would suggest so...
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'If the League of Nations had approved of the holocaust'
Seriously that is just ridiculous.
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So international bodies approving of bad things doesn't make them okay?
Funny how your biases seem to massively change your views, if it involves Israel different rules apply everytime.
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I am sticking with the UN you are talking about them approving the holocaust for some bizarre reason.
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It's pretty clear Cal does an international body approving of something make it somehow right ?
You seem to think it justifies Israel so it would justify other bad things as well surely?
Or is this another case of you only apply this logic when it benefits Israel?
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What other UN actions have you disproved of?
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Why does that matter?
It's a simple question you seem to be avoiding.
Does an international body approving of something make it morally right?
Most would say no, you suggested it did with Israel though.
So either you have a crazy belief or once again you are making a special exemption for Israel, which is it?
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This is just getting ridicolous now dancing around the subject twisting your logic in a hundred different ways to try and justify it.
There is no real justification for just invading someone's land kicking the natives out and moving a foreign people in.
If the UN tried to do it with Britain or America people would be outraged and fighting back, wouldn't matter one jot if the UN approved of it, if the people used to live there thousands of years ago or if the people needed somewhere to go.
There is no reason Israel is an exception to this.
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comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
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Many people have lived in my house. We are the current occupants. I guess if the owners from 1965 turned up to reclaim it I shouldn't oppose. I shouldn't also fight back when they offer us the back bedroom as consolation.
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You are wasting my time with hypothetical points which have no relation to this issue.
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It seems to be part of the logic that justifies Israel, they used to live there so have a claim.
In feets example they used to live there as well.
In feets example they used to live there a few thousands years more recently.
Israel doesn't get some special example which makes it different. Used to live there doesn't seem to be classed as justification for stealing land for other people's so why Israel?
The answer can only be bias, there's no reasonable reason Israel should be allowed to take other people's land and have it be their fault for not allowing it to happen.
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comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 2 minutes ago
Counting that's different French and Dutch people are largely white and Christian so taking their land would be wrong.
Look for a close to 3000 year old claim on some land owned by some Muslims instead and give them that land, if they fight back then they deserve all the punishment they get...
I really don't get it either, I think you have to start with the position that Israel is in the right and people who oppose them are in the wrong.
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The area has had many peoples living there.
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So has London...
Think you might get some fighting if you had a foreign people try to kick the locals out and take it for themselves regardless.
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Using the same logic the Italians can rock up and lay claim to London. After all it was the Romans who originally established London as we know it.
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No Romans don't come from London. Really all these hypotheticals just muddy the issue. Easier if you just stick to facts.
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Nobody comes from London, humanity originated elsewhere, Jewish people have resided in Israel previously as have Romans in London previously.
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So where do you think Jewish people should live?
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You don't just give people a country just because.
You don't then blame the people whose land you are giving away for fighting back.
If your countries land was just given away to a foreign people for nothing you'd done you'd definately have a problem with it.
America has caused massive destruction because of 3,000+ deaths and a few buildings.
Imagine what they would want to do if they had suffered like the Palestinians have?
Why weren't gypsies given California or any of the other groups that were targeted by Adolf, having bad stuff happen to you doesn't give you the right to do it to others, there was nothing that said they had to be given Palestinian land and that the natives had to simply step aside and let their land get stolen.
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The partition plan was approved by the UN. And subsequently most nations recognised the state of Israel.
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America bribing a bunch of countries and the Soviets acting in the interests of potentially securing a ally doesn't make it right.
If the League of Nations had approved of the holocaust would that make it any less wrong?
I wouldn't think so but your logic would suggest so...
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"The partition plan was approved by the UN. And subsequently most nations recognised the state of Israel"
Where the Palestinians (or Muslims due to be forced out) represented on The UN council that made this decision?
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If London was given to some Italians and the locals kicked out by the UN do you think Britian would just sit by and let it happen?
Let me guess this doesn't count because London doesn't contain mainly Muslim people...
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"Russia kept hold of large parts of the land after the war but allowed Berlin to be partitioned. Are you really saying Jews should have had their national homeland in Germany?"
Where were most of the Jews from before WW2? Weren't most already living in Germany & Europe?
I don't see why they couldn't have established a homeland in a part of Germany as their own. They could've called it whatever they want, as The UN did with Israel. It would've been more appropriate than forcing Muslim people from their land against their will.
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Counting that's different French and Dutch people are largely white and Christian so taking their land would be wrong.
Look for a close to 3000 year old claim on some land owned by some Muslims instead and give them that land, if they fight back then they deserve all the punishment they get...
I really don't get it either, I think you have to start with the position that Israel is in the right and people who oppose them are in the wrong.
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The area has had many peoples living there.
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So has London...
Think you might get some fighting if you had a foreign people try to kick the locals out and take it for themselves regardless.
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Using the same logic the Italians can rock up and lay claim to London. After all it was the Romans who originally established London as we know it.
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No Romans don't come from London. Really all these hypotheticals just muddy the issue. Easier if you just stick to facts.
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Nobody comes from London, humanity originated elsewhere, Jewish people have resided in Israel previously as have Romans in London previously.
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So where do you think Jewish people should live?
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You don't just give people a country just because.
You don't then blame the people whose land you are giving away for fighting back.
If your countries land was just given away to a foreign people for nothing you'd done you'd definately have a problem with it.
America has caused massive destruction because of 3,000+ deaths and a few buildings.
Imagine what they would want to do if they had suffered like the Palestinians have?
Why weren't gypsies given California or any of the other groups that were targeted by Adolf, having bad stuff happen to you doesn't give you the right to do it to others, there was nothing that said they had to be given Palestinian land and that the natives had to simply step aside and let their land get stolen.
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The partition plan was approved by the UN. And subsequently most nations recognised the state of Israel.
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America bribing a bunch of countries and the Soviets acting in the interests of potentially securing a ally doesn't make it right.
If the League of Nations had approved of the holocaust would that make it any less wrong?
I wouldn't think so but your logic would suggest so...
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'If the League of Nations had approved of the holocaust'
Seriously that is just ridiculous.
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So international bodies approving of bad things doesn't make them okay?
Funny how your biases seem to massively change your views, if it involves Israel different rules apply everytime.
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"The partition plan was approved by the UN. And subsequently most nations recognised the state of Israel"
Where the Palestinians (or Muslims due to be forced out) represented on The UN council that made this decision?
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The movement of Arabs from the area was largely because of the subsequent war instigated by many neighbouring Arab states.
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Did Palestinians/those due to be displaced have any representation on The UN when the partition plan was agreed?
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Is there another example you can think off where you approve of the native people getting kicked off the land for people who used to live there thousands of years ago?
Or did Israel happen to be the one perfect situation in history where doing this was acceptable?
I mean I can't actually imagine anybody justifying doing it anywhere else with any group of people, it's such a ridicolous notion but maybe an Israel supporter can think of another example and show us Israel isn't an exception to the rule?
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"The partition plan was approved by the UN. And subsequently most nations recognised the state of Israel"
Where the Palestinians (or Muslims due to be forced out) represented on The UN council that made this decision?
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The movement of Arabs from the area was largely because of the subsequent war instigated by many neighbouring Arab states.
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Did Palestinians/those due to be displaced have any representation on The UN when the partition plan was agreed?
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The clue is in the name.
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Doesn't mean they were represented though. Yes or no will do?
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comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
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Counting that's different French and Dutch people are largely white and Christian so taking their land would be wrong.
Look for a close to 3000 year old claim on some land owned by some Muslims instead and give them that land, if they fight back then they deserve all the punishment they get...
I really don't get it either, I think you have to start with the position that Israel is in the right and people who oppose them are in the wrong.
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The area has had many peoples living there.
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So has London...
Think you might get some fighting if you had a foreign people try to kick the locals out and take it for themselves regardless.
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Using the same logic the Italians can rock up and lay claim to London. After all it was the Romans who originally established London as we know it.
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No Romans don't come from London. Really all these hypotheticals just muddy the issue. Easier if you just stick to facts.
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Nobody comes from London, humanity originated elsewhere, Jewish people have resided in Israel previously as have Romans in London previously.
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So where do you think Jewish people should live?
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You don't just give people a country just because.
You don't then blame the people whose land you are giving away for fighting back.
If your countries land was just given away to a foreign people for nothing you'd done you'd definately have a problem with it.
America has caused massive destruction because of 3,000+ deaths and a few buildings.
Imagine what they would want to do if they had suffered like the Palestinians have?
Why weren't gypsies given California or any of the other groups that were targeted by Adolf, having bad stuff happen to you doesn't give you the right to do it to others, there was nothing that said they had to be given Palestinian land and that the natives had to simply step aside and let their land get stolen.
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The partition plan was approved by the UN. And subsequently most nations recognised the state of Israel.
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America bribing a bunch of countries and the Soviets acting in the interests of potentially securing a ally doesn't make it right.
If the League of Nations had approved of the holocaust would that make it any less wrong?
I wouldn't think so but your logic would suggest so...
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'If the League of Nations had approved of the holocaust'
Seriously that is just ridiculous.
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So international bodies approving of bad things doesn't make them okay?
Funny how your biases seem to massively change your views, if it involves Israel different rules apply everytime.
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I am sticking with the UN you are talking about them approving the holocaust for some bizarre reason.
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It's pretty clear Cal does an international body approving of something make it somehow right ?
You seem to think it justifies Israel so it would justify other bad things as well surely?
Or is this another case of you only apply this logic when it benefits Israel?
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"The partition plan was approved by the UN. And subsequently most nations recognised the state of Israel"
Where the Palestinians (or Muslims due to be forced out) represented on The UN council that made this decision?
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The movement of Arabs from the area was largely because of the subsequent war instigated by many neighbouring Arab states.
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Did Palestinians/those due to be displaced have any representation on The UN when the partition plan was agreed?
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The clue is in the name.
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Doesn't mean they were represented though. Yes or no will do?
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United Nations. Meaning nations, Think you can work it out from here.
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So Palestine had a seat at the table then?
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Not only were the Palestinians not represented but the Americans and Soviet Russia both worked to secure the votes of other countries through pressure and various other means.
The few countries that truely had a free vote on the matter mainly voted against the foundation of Israel.
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https://www.quora.com/United-Nations-What-countries-are-not-part-of-the-UN
They weren't. Why would a country/state accept the partition plan when they had been excluded from negotiations?
The UN basically said 'we've had a chat and this is what we've decided'. It is any wonder the Palestinians didn't go for it?
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Counting that's different French and Dutch people are largely white and Christian so taking their land would be wrong.
Look for a close to 3000 year old claim on some land owned by some Muslims instead and give them that land, if they fight back then they deserve all the punishment they get...
I really don't get it either, I think you have to start with the position that Israel is in the right and people who oppose them are in the wrong.
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The area has had many peoples living there.
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So has London...
Think you might get some fighting if you had a foreign people try to kick the locals out and take it for themselves regardless.
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Using the same logic the Italians can rock up and lay claim to London. After all it was the Romans who originally established London as we know it.
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No Romans don't come from London. Really all these hypotheticals just muddy the issue. Easier if you just stick to facts.
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Nobody comes from London, humanity originated elsewhere, Jewish people have resided in Israel previously as have Romans in London previously.
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So where do you think Jewish people should live?
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You don't just give people a country just because.
You don't then blame the people whose land you are giving away for fighting back.
If your countries land was just given away to a foreign people for nothing you'd done you'd definately have a problem with it.
America has caused massive destruction because of 3,000+ deaths and a few buildings.
Imagine what they would want to do if they had suffered like the Palestinians have?
Why weren't gypsies given California or any of the other groups that were targeted by Adolf, having bad stuff happen to you doesn't give you the right to do it to others, there was nothing that said they had to be given Palestinian land and that the natives had to simply step aside and let their land get stolen.
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The partition plan was approved by the UN. And subsequently most nations recognised the state of Israel.
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America bribing a bunch of countries and the Soviets acting in the interests of potentially securing a ally doesn't make it right.
If the League of Nations had approved of the holocaust would that make it any less wrong?
I wouldn't think so but your logic would suggest so...
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'If the League of Nations had approved of the holocaust'
Seriously that is just ridiculous.
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So international bodies approving of bad things doesn't make them okay?
Funny how your biases seem to massively change your views, if it involves Israel different rules apply everytime.
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I am sticking with the UN you are talking about them approving the holocaust for some bizarre reason.
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It's pretty clear Cal does an international body approving of something make it somehow right ?
You seem to think it justifies Israel so it would justify other bad things as well surely?
Or is this another case of you only apply this logic when it benefits Israel?
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What other UN actions have you disproved of?
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Why does that matter?
It's a simple question you seem to be avoiding.
Does an international body approving of something make it morally right?
Most would say no, you suggested it did with Israel though.
So either you have a crazy belief or once again you are making a special exemption for Israel, which is it?
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This is just getting ridicolous now dancing around the subject twisting your logic in a hundred different ways to try and justify it.
There is no real justification for just invading someone's land kicking the natives out and moving a foreign people in.
If the UN tried to do it with Britain or America people would be outraged and fighting back, wouldn't matter one jot if the UN approved of it, if the people used to live there thousands of years ago or if the people needed somewhere to go.
There is no reason Israel is an exception to this.
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