No we didn't. We best Arsenal 2-1 in 08, pen and free kick from Hargo, and did the double over Liverpool.
comment by Robb__Mourinho (U21234)
posted 1 minute ago
In fact in our 2007/2008 CL winning season we lost at Arsenal, drew at home to Arsenal, lost 4-1 at home to Liverpool and failed to beat Spurs and Chelsea away from home
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Didn't we beat Arsenal that season? I seem to remember Hargreaves free kick wining that game at home? We lost to Liverpool the season after too. Think you're getting mixed up.
Shh Robb is making things up to try and support his point, don't bring up facts and stuff...
I think in review we can say due to luck and stuff and thinking that Brendan was terrible (despite Robbs insistence he was better than LVG) and pretending the wins didn't happen and pretending Liverpool isn't a big game for us....
Then yeah I guess his big game record did suck...
Thank god Mourinho is putting that right.....
Robb definaely has his seasons mixed up. We beat the dips 3-0 at home and Dazza has the Arsenal game bang on.
Zlatan The King Ibrahimovic (U10026)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
1982, I'm disputing that, overall he did a crap job. But the conversation is just about his record in the big games in the league. For me it's not really something you can massively criticise him for because he did well.
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During Van Gaal's two seasons in charge, our record in the big games (league only) is won 8, drawn 5 and lost 3 and by big games I mean Liverpool, City, Arsenal and Chelsea. 50% is pretty decent.
And if you include Spurs it's won 10, drawn 6 and lost 4. Still 50% and still pretty decent.
The big games in the league were one of very few things Van Gaal got right.
Moyes on the otherhand was an embarrassment when it came to the big games. It was one of the main reasons why I wanted him sacked. Enough was enough after having to sit through two utterly abject 3-0 defeats at home to Liverpool and City.
It's unbelievable how the LvG haters can't even bring themselves to acknowledge some of the clear and indisputables positives of his reign
You're a sorry lot you
Anyhoo as the OP says can we try to keep these arguments confined to this thread, so those of us you are now tired of this boring back and forth can focus on the task at hand... ie constructively critiquing the current manager
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comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 6 hours, 54 minutes ago
Everton aren't looking great at the minute either so big chance at the weekend.
"We started badly but Jose changed his tactics and from the 40th minute we were their equal. We very nearly got a draw in that game and would have deserved it"
I saw this a few times after the game so watched it back. There was a ten minute period just before then after half time but after that, we had three or four breaks and should have killed the game.
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Yep. City were the better team and deserved the win.
comment by Memphis_bleek #United (U20611)
posted 3 hours, 35 minutes ago
It's unbelievable how the LvG haters can't even bring themselves to acknowledge some of the clear and indisputables positives of his reign
You're a sorry lot you
Anyhoo as the OP says can we try to keep these arguments confined to this thread, so those of us you are now tired of this boring back and forth can focus on the task at hand... ie constructively critiquing the current manager
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Winning a few big games means nothing at the end of the day when you go and lose to the awful ones and have a style of play so rotten the OT crowd boos you.
And that is an indisputable fact. Lvg wasn't good enough and was rightfully sacked.
No one on here can deny that with any decent counter argument
comment by Robb__Mourinho (U21234)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Memphis_bleek #United (U20611)
posted 3 hours, 35 minutes ago
It's unbelievable how the LvG haters can't even bring themselves to acknowledge some of the clear and indisputables positives of his reign
You're a sorry lot you
Anyhoo as the OP says can we try to keep these arguments confined to this thread, so those of us you are now tired of this boring back and forth can focus on the task at hand... ie constructively critiquing the current manager
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Winning a few big games means nothing at the end of the day when you go and lose to the awful ones and have a style of play so rotten the OT crowd boos you.
And that is an indisputable fact. Lvg wasn't good enough and was rightfully sacked.
No one on here can deny that with any decent counter argument
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Football on the whole wasnt good enough Robb but he wasn't sacked because it...👍
comment by BlaBla (U11635)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robb__Mourinho (U21234)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Memphis_bleek #United (U20611)
posted 3 hours, 35 minutes ago
It's unbelievable how the LvG haters can't even bring themselves to acknowledge some of the clear and indisputables positives of his reign
You're a sorry lot you
Anyhoo as the OP says can we try to keep these arguments confined to this thread, so those of us you are now tired of this boring back and forth can focus on the task at hand... ie constructively critiquing the current manager
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Winning a few big games means nothing at the end of the day when you go and lose to the awful ones and have a style of play so rotten the OT crowd boos you.
And that is an indisputable fact. Lvg wasn't good enough and was rightfully sacked.
No one on here can deny that with any decent counter argument
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Football on the whole wasnt good enough Robb but he wasn't sacked because it...👍
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It was one of the factors. He'd lost the crowd
If Jose finishes 5th but keeps the crowd and the football keeps improving I have a good feeling he'll stay at least one more season
comment by Robb__Mourinho (U21234)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by BlaBla (U11635)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robb__Mourinho (U21234)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Memphis_bleek #United (U20611)
posted 3 hours, 35 minutes ago
It's unbelievable how the LvG haters can't even bring themselves to acknowledge some of the clear and indisputables positives of his reign
You're a sorry lot you
Anyhoo as the OP says can we try to keep these arguments confined to this thread, so those of us you are now tired of this boring back and forth can focus on the task at hand... ie constructively critiquing the current manager
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Winning a few big games means nothing at the end of the day when you go and lose to the awful ones and have a style of play so rotten the OT crowd boos you.
And that is an indisputable fact. Lvg wasn't good enough and was rightfully sacked.
No one on here can deny that with any decent counter argument
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Football on the whole wasnt good enough Robb but he wasn't sacked because it...👍
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It was one of the factors. He'd lost the crowd
If Jose finishes 5th but keeps the crowd and the football keeps improving I have a good feeling he'll stay at least one more season
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I agree with you
Will be interesting to see what happens if he finishes outside the CL places
Not sure if it was here or on another thread, but Melton touched on an interesing point about a club's need for continuity in footballing approach/style. It's totally relevant to United - the lack thereof is something you've been and are still paying for.
The swing in that sense from Moyes to LvG was huge, as it has been from LvG to Mourinho.
LvG inherited a group of players largely unsuited to the type of game he wanted to implement, and I can understand why some feel the side might have kicked on this season, especially if they think some of the youngsters might have been better placed to continue their development and LvG would have had another window to add players who could implement his style with the speed it required and was missing.
On to Mourinho, and another radical swing in style. He's done well to bring in several players suited to the approach he wants, but he hasn't finished shaping the squad and is logically taking time to get the ones he has adapting to what he wants.
Whenever the relative merits of each coach are considered, I think a degree of allowance should be awarded given the planning shambles they've had to deal with.
Robb we can't keep changing managers because of an advertising contract. LVG despite the at times tedious football did have us moving in the right direction and was only 1 of a few managers with the stature and experience required to take on a job like utd, especially in the aftermath of moyes who pocessed none of the required attributes.
I am one of the few here that was prepared to look at the big picture with LVG and, acknowledging some bad luck with injurys, his fa cup win, would have given him his last year to finish his "process".
Its only logical to continue to look at the picture with Jose agreeing with your points about moving in the right direction. That dosent mean he is immune from criticism, no manager is.
But his process had us playing worse football in the second season than his first. You say he was progressing but we were just as bored at the end of his reign than we were during his months of discontent.
The style of play he imposed on us was impotent. A style where we just passed it aimlessly around the middle of the pitch with no risk or reward.
In short, it wasn't anything like the United football fans want to see. People worried about Jose's football but he at least gets it and the fans are rightly intrigued by what we're seeing.
Fans are excited now. Just like Liverpool last season the results don't tell the full story but hopefully soon they will
Not sure if it was here or on another thread, but Melton touched on an interesing point about a club's need for continuity in footballing approach/style. It's totally relevant to United - the lack thereof is something you've been and are still paying for.
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The lack of continuity and a clear footballing strategy stretches back to when even SAF was in charge IOAG because I can remember bringing it up quite a lot, especially when it came to player recruitment.
I never got a real sense of what our plan actually was in terms of approach/style or in what direction we wanted to go with it. We've wasted millions buying players who don't all suit the same way of playing and we've brought in three managers with wildly conflicting ideals and it's the reason our squad is the confused mess it is.
The lack of proper planning and a policy over the last half a decade or so has been staggering.
Best thing about LVG was his first season big game record vs Moyes
http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/premier-league/2013-2014/versus-top-third
http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/premier-league/2014-2015/versus-top-third
If Liverpool finished higher we would have probably topped it again last season.
TRS
So true, in Fergusons last years there seemed to be less and less of an idea of what was wanted over a long period of time and more a case of doing whatever it took that season and adapting where necessary. It worked for Ferguson to a degree because he was a brilliant manager who was able to adapt but it left us in a bit of a mess when he left that all 3 managers since have had to deal with.
Each manager choice seems to be a reactionary choice to the last as opposed to an evolutionary one which is hard for any manager to deal with. If Jose fails and is sacked then do we just pick a manager irrelevant of what he can do after Jose has implemented his ideas and if so we're always going to shooting ourselves in the foot and making the transition that much harder.
comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 50 minutes ago
Best thing about LVG was his first season big game record vs Moyes
http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/premier-league/2013-2014/versus-top-third
http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/premier-league/2014-2015/versus-top-third
If Liverpool finished higher we would have probably topped it again last season.
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All of his big game wins came in that like one month spell where he was forced to change formation because of injuries and man Utd started playing way better
comment by The Red Side™ (U11275)
posted 1 hour ago
Not sure if it was here or on another thread, but Melton touched on an interesing point about a club's need for continuity in footballing approach/style. It's totally relevant to United - the lack thereof is something you've been and are still paying for.
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The lack of continuity and a clear footballing strategy stretches back to when even SAF was in charge IOAG because I can remember bringing it up quite a lot, especially when it came to player recruitment.
I never got a real sense of what our plan actually was in terms of approach/style or in what direction we wanted to go with it. We've wasted millions buying players who don't all suit the same way of playing and we've brought in three managers with wildly conflicting ideals and it's the reason our squad is the confused mess it is.
The lack of proper planning and a policy over the last half a decade or so has been staggering.
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You could say pretty much the same about us (Madrid) for the entire time Pérez's been in charge over both spells. It's only the massive cheque book that's kept us competing and winning stuff on and off, but it's no surprise whatsoever that Barça have easily outstripped us since they got their sh·it together.
We were definitely making progress under LVG, Robb can't see it but Robb swears blind we were rubbish in the big games, Robb will basically tell any lie to try and discredit LVG...
Its a shame that we've put ourselves backwards by getting rid and getting a new manager in but hopefully this one will actually gets the time he needs...
comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 4 minutes ago
We were definitely making progress under LVG, Robb can't see it but Robb swears blind we were rubbish in the big games, Robb will basically tell any lie to try and discredit LVG...
Its a shame that we've put ourselves backwards by getting rid and getting a new manager in but hopefully this one will actually gets the time he needs...
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Why lie?
I haven't said we were rubbish in the big games. We were good in some but terrible in others. My riposte is to people who seem to think we had a great record in the big games. It wasn't great. Good at best,with some truly terrible performances
As for going backwards? I'd say going from 4th to 5th was going backwards
See there you go again.
We did have a good big game record under LVG you just refuse to acknowledge It because you are the most biased poster on this forum.
It is why almost everyone laughs at you...
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posted on 2/12/16
No we didn't. We best Arsenal 2-1 in 08, pen and free kick from Hargo, and did the double over Liverpool.
posted on 2/12/16
comment by Robb__Mourinho (U21234)
posted 1 minute ago
In fact in our 2007/2008 CL winning season we lost at Arsenal, drew at home to Arsenal, lost 4-1 at home to Liverpool and failed to beat Spurs and Chelsea away from home
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Spurs
posted on 2/12/16
Didn't we beat Arsenal that season? I seem to remember Hargreaves free kick wining that game at home? We lost to Liverpool the season after too. Think you're getting mixed up.
posted on 2/12/16
Shh Robb is making things up to try and support his point, don't bring up facts and stuff...
I think in review we can say due to luck and stuff and thinking that Brendan was terrible (despite Robbs insistence he was better than LVG) and pretending the wins didn't happen and pretending Liverpool isn't a big game for us....
Then yeah I guess his big game record did suck...
Thank god Mourinho is putting that right.....
posted on 2/12/16
Robb definaely has his seasons mixed up. We beat the dips 3-0 at home and Dazza has the Arsenal game bang on.
posted on 2/12/16
Zlatan The King Ibrahimovic (U10026)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
1982, I'm disputing that, overall he did a crap job. But the conversation is just about his record in the big games in the league. For me it's not really something you can massively criticise him for because he did well.
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During Van Gaal's two seasons in charge, our record in the big games (league only) is won 8, drawn 5 and lost 3 and by big games I mean Liverpool, City, Arsenal and Chelsea. 50% is pretty decent.
And if you include Spurs it's won 10, drawn 6 and lost 4. Still 50% and still pretty decent.
The big games in the league were one of very few things Van Gaal got right.
Moyes on the otherhand was an embarrassment when it came to the big games. It was one of the main reasons why I wanted him sacked. Enough was enough after having to sit through two utterly abject 3-0 defeats at home to Liverpool and City.
posted on 2/12/16
It's unbelievable how the LvG haters can't even bring themselves to acknowledge some of the clear and indisputables positives of his reign
You're a sorry lot you
Anyhoo as the OP says can we try to keep these arguments confined to this thread, so those of us you are now tired of this boring back and forth can focus on the task at hand... ie constructively critiquing the current manager
posted on 2/12/16
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posted on 2/12/16
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 6 hours, 54 minutes ago
Everton aren't looking great at the minute either so big chance at the weekend.
"We started badly but Jose changed his tactics and from the 40th minute we were their equal. We very nearly got a draw in that game and would have deserved it"
I saw this a few times after the game so watched it back. There was a ten minute period just before then after half time but after that, we had three or four breaks and should have killed the game.
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Yep. City were the better team and deserved the win.
posted on 2/12/16
comment by Memphis_bleek #United (U20611)
posted 3 hours, 35 minutes ago
It's unbelievable how the LvG haters can't even bring themselves to acknowledge some of the clear and indisputables positives of his reign
You're a sorry lot you
Anyhoo as the OP says can we try to keep these arguments confined to this thread, so those of us you are now tired of this boring back and forth can focus on the task at hand... ie constructively critiquing the current manager
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Winning a few big games means nothing at the end of the day when you go and lose to the awful ones and have a style of play so rotten the OT crowd boos you.
And that is an indisputable fact. Lvg wasn't good enough and was rightfully sacked.
No one on here can deny that with any decent counter argument
posted on 2/12/16
comment by Robb__Mourinho (U21234)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Memphis_bleek #United (U20611)
posted 3 hours, 35 minutes ago
It's unbelievable how the LvG haters can't even bring themselves to acknowledge some of the clear and indisputables positives of his reign
You're a sorry lot you
Anyhoo as the OP says can we try to keep these arguments confined to this thread, so those of us you are now tired of this boring back and forth can focus on the task at hand... ie constructively critiquing the current manager
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Winning a few big games means nothing at the end of the day when you go and lose to the awful ones and have a style of play so rotten the OT crowd boos you.
And that is an indisputable fact. Lvg wasn't good enough and was rightfully sacked.
No one on here can deny that with any decent counter argument
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Football on the whole wasnt good enough Robb but he wasn't sacked because it...👍
posted on 2/12/16
comment by BlaBla (U11635)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robb__Mourinho (U21234)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Memphis_bleek #United (U20611)
posted 3 hours, 35 minutes ago
It's unbelievable how the LvG haters can't even bring themselves to acknowledge some of the clear and indisputables positives of his reign
You're a sorry lot you
Anyhoo as the OP says can we try to keep these arguments confined to this thread, so those of us you are now tired of this boring back and forth can focus on the task at hand... ie constructively critiquing the current manager
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Winning a few big games means nothing at the end of the day when you go and lose to the awful ones and have a style of play so rotten the OT crowd boos you.
And that is an indisputable fact. Lvg wasn't good enough and was rightfully sacked.
No one on here can deny that with any decent counter argument
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Football on the whole wasnt good enough Robb but he wasn't sacked because it...👍
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It was one of the factors. He'd lost the crowd
If Jose finishes 5th but keeps the crowd and the football keeps improving I have a good feeling he'll stay at least one more season
posted on 2/12/16
comment by Robb__Mourinho (U21234)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by BlaBla (U11635)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robb__Mourinho (U21234)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Memphis_bleek #United (U20611)
posted 3 hours, 35 minutes ago
It's unbelievable how the LvG haters can't even bring themselves to acknowledge some of the clear and indisputables positives of his reign
You're a sorry lot you
Anyhoo as the OP says can we try to keep these arguments confined to this thread, so those of us you are now tired of this boring back and forth can focus on the task at hand... ie constructively critiquing the current manager
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Winning a few big games means nothing at the end of the day when you go and lose to the awful ones and have a style of play so rotten the OT crowd boos you.
And that is an indisputable fact. Lvg wasn't good enough and was rightfully sacked.
No one on here can deny that with any decent counter argument
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Football on the whole wasnt good enough Robb but he wasn't sacked because it...👍
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It was one of the factors. He'd lost the crowd
If Jose finishes 5th but keeps the crowd and the football keeps improving I have a good feeling he'll stay at least one more season
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I agree with you
Will be interesting to see what happens if he finishes outside the CL places
posted on 2/12/16
Me and BlaBla agree
posted on 2/12/16
Not sure if it was here or on another thread, but Melton touched on an interesing point about a club's need for continuity in footballing approach/style. It's totally relevant to United - the lack thereof is something you've been and are still paying for.
The swing in that sense from Moyes to LvG was huge, as it has been from LvG to Mourinho.
LvG inherited a group of players largely unsuited to the type of game he wanted to implement, and I can understand why some feel the side might have kicked on this season, especially if they think some of the youngsters might have been better placed to continue their development and LvG would have had another window to add players who could implement his style with the speed it required and was missing.
On to Mourinho, and another radical swing in style. He's done well to bring in several players suited to the approach he wants, but he hasn't finished shaping the squad and is logically taking time to get the ones he has adapting to what he wants.
Whenever the relative merits of each coach are considered, I think a degree of allowance should be awarded given the planning shambles they've had to deal with.
posted on 2/12/16
Robb we can't keep changing managers because of an advertising contract. LVG despite the at times tedious football did have us moving in the right direction and was only 1 of a few managers with the stature and experience required to take on a job like utd, especially in the aftermath of moyes who pocessed none of the required attributes.
I am one of the few here that was prepared to look at the big picture with LVG and, acknowledging some bad luck with injurys, his fa cup win, would have given him his last year to finish his "process".
Its only logical to continue to look at the picture with Jose agreeing with your points about moving in the right direction. That dosent mean he is immune from criticism, no manager is.
posted on 2/12/16
But his process had us playing worse football in the second season than his first. You say he was progressing but we were just as bored at the end of his reign than we were during his months of discontent.
The style of play he imposed on us was impotent. A style where we just passed it aimlessly around the middle of the pitch with no risk or reward.
In short, it wasn't anything like the United football fans want to see. People worried about Jose's football but he at least gets it and the fans are rightly intrigued by what we're seeing.
Fans are excited now. Just like Liverpool last season the results don't tell the full story but hopefully soon they will
posted on 2/12/16
Not sure if it was here or on another thread, but Melton touched on an interesing point about a club's need for continuity in footballing approach/style. It's totally relevant to United - the lack thereof is something you've been and are still paying for.
--------------------------------------------------------
The lack of continuity and a clear footballing strategy stretches back to when even SAF was in charge IOAG because I can remember bringing it up quite a lot, especially when it came to player recruitment.
I never got a real sense of what our plan actually was in terms of approach/style or in what direction we wanted to go with it. We've wasted millions buying players who don't all suit the same way of playing and we've brought in three managers with wildly conflicting ideals and it's the reason our squad is the confused mess it is.
The lack of proper planning and a policy over the last half a decade or so has been staggering.
posted on 2/12/16
Best thing about LVG was his first season big game record vs Moyes
http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/premier-league/2013-2014/versus-top-third
http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/premier-league/2014-2015/versus-top-third
If Liverpool finished higher we would have probably topped it again last season.
posted on 2/12/16
TRS
So true, in Fergusons last years there seemed to be less and less of an idea of what was wanted over a long period of time and more a case of doing whatever it took that season and adapting where necessary. It worked for Ferguson to a degree because he was a brilliant manager who was able to adapt but it left us in a bit of a mess when he left that all 3 managers since have had to deal with.
Each manager choice seems to be a reactionary choice to the last as opposed to an evolutionary one which is hard for any manager to deal with. If Jose fails and is sacked then do we just pick a manager irrelevant of what he can do after Jose has implemented his ideas and if so we're always going to shooting ourselves in the foot and making the transition that much harder.
posted on 2/12/16
comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 50 minutes ago
Best thing about LVG was his first season big game record vs Moyes
http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/premier-league/2013-2014/versus-top-third
http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/premier-league/2014-2015/versus-top-third
If Liverpool finished higher we would have probably topped it again last season.
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All of his big game wins came in that like one month spell where he was forced to change formation because of injuries and man Utd started playing way better
posted on 2/12/16
comment by The Red Side™ (U11275)
posted 1 hour ago
Not sure if it was here or on another thread, but Melton touched on an interesing point about a club's need for continuity in footballing approach/style. It's totally relevant to United - the lack thereof is something you've been and are still paying for.
--------------------------------------------------------
The lack of continuity and a clear footballing strategy stretches back to when even SAF was in charge IOAG because I can remember bringing it up quite a lot, especially when it came to player recruitment.
I never got a real sense of what our plan actually was in terms of approach/style or in what direction we wanted to go with it. We've wasted millions buying players who don't all suit the same way of playing and we've brought in three managers with wildly conflicting ideals and it's the reason our squad is the confused mess it is.
The lack of proper planning and a policy over the last half a decade or so has been staggering.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You could say pretty much the same about us (Madrid) for the entire time Pérez's been in charge over both spells. It's only the massive cheque book that's kept us competing and winning stuff on and off, but it's no surprise whatsoever that Barça have easily outstripped us since they got their sh·it together.
posted on 2/12/16
We were definitely making progress under LVG, Robb can't see it but Robb swears blind we were rubbish in the big games, Robb will basically tell any lie to try and discredit LVG...
Its a shame that we've put ourselves backwards by getting rid and getting a new manager in but hopefully this one will actually gets the time he needs...
posted on 2/12/16
comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 4 minutes ago
We were definitely making progress under LVG, Robb can't see it but Robb swears blind we were rubbish in the big games, Robb will basically tell any lie to try and discredit LVG...
Its a shame that we've put ourselves backwards by getting rid and getting a new manager in but hopefully this one will actually gets the time he needs...
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Why lie?
I haven't said we were rubbish in the big games. We were good in some but terrible in others. My riposte is to people who seem to think we had a great record in the big games. It wasn't great. Good at best,with some truly terrible performances
As for going backwards? I'd say going from 4th to 5th was going backwards
posted on 2/12/16
See there you go again.
We did have a good big game record under LVG you just refuse to acknowledge It because you are the most biased poster on this forum.
It is why almost everyone laughs at you...
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