Labour will definitely have a larger representation on here than in real life.

Also, surely reopening the poll will just screw the results of the previous one?

I voted in the last article, but I doubt I'll remember every week so I'm leaving it at this.

I'll be voting Conservative and I very much doubt anything will happen to make me change my mind. Not because I'm wedded to some ideology of the rich getting richer, but because I believe them to be competent. (I say competent - technically Nicky Morgan is my MP so I'll be holding my nose in the process.)

I won't be voting Labour because they'd happily bankrupt the country without even realising they were doing it - and Corbyn quicker than most.
I won't be voting Liberal Democrat, although I still think they got a bad rap at the last election after doing a broadly good job. (IMO.)
I won't be voting UKIP, who have now served their purpose and can kindly do one as their remnants turn into the new BNP.
I won't be voting Green, despite rating environmental concerns quite high, since their faux moral high ground is nauseating and they'd blindly bankrupt the country just like Corbyn.

If that sounds uninspiring, indeed it is. But that's kind of the point. Competence and sense are not inspiring concepts. But they do keep the country and economy ticking as best it can.

comment by Broaquin (U16342)
posted 42 minutes ago
Labour will definitely have a larger representation on here than in real life.

Also, surely reopening the poll will just screw the results of the previous one?
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true but because im banned on some boards i wasnt allow to edit previous article

The Tories should be ritualistically and painfully punished for leading us down the road to economic and social ruin for their own internecine party political reasons. Stupid, navel gazing fart breathed posh boys and insane horsey faced girls guffawing and hurumphing their way to Armageddon, as for their forelock tugging serfs, Kowtowing to their lords and masters and blindly putting their X beside the Tory name, we know what you are....

Vote anyone but Tory or their more honest and transparent cousins in UKIP. They and their Right wing, nasty media brainwashers are already assuming that Victory is theirs, they are playing the masses for the fools they think they are, divide and rule, they're superb at it.
They don't want us to spend the insane amounts of hard workers tax pounds on fixing the NHS, No, they want to renew Trident so their cabal can continue to feel important at the top table in the UN, continue to mince around in Government cars and RAF jets feeling smug and superior whilst the country faces more austerity, old people continue to be left to rot in hospital beds because their too cheap to employ carers, for their cliqué to get the best education whilst the plebs get forgotten...Fk the Tories, Fk UKIP and Fk any idiot stupid enough to give them the free pass that allows them to get their way. Vote Tory and watch the country tear itself apart.

comment by Broaquin (U16342)
posted 1 hour ago
Labour will definitely have a larger representation on here than in real life.

Also, surely reopening the poll will just screw the results of the previous one?
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why? are not football supporters part of real life? Strange analogy.

comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 7 minutes ago
The Tories should be ritualistically and painfully punished for leading us down the road to economic and social ruin for their own internecine party political reasons. Stupid, navel gazing fart breathed posh boys and insane horsey faced girls guffawing and hurumphing their way to Armageddon, as for their forelock tugging serfs, Kowtowing to their lords and masters and blindly putting their X beside the Tory name, we know what you are....

Vote anyone but Tory or their more honest and transparent cousins in UKIP. They and their Right wing, nasty media brainwashers are already assuming that Victory is theirs, they are playing the masses for the fools they think they are, divide and rule, they're superb at it.
They don't want us to spend the insane amounts of hard workers tax pounds on fixing the NHS, No, they want to renew Trident so their cabal can continue to feel important at the top table in the UN, continue to mince around in Government cars and RAF jets feeling smug and superior whilst the country faces more austerity, old people continue to be left to rot in hospital beds because their too cheap to employ carers, for their cliqué to get the best education whilst the plebs get forgotten...Fk the Tories, Fk UKIP and Fk any idiot stupid enough to give them the free pass that allows them to get their way. Vote Tory and watch the country tear itself apart.
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otherwise they aint that bad

As they say in Scotland, we're all Jock Tamsons bairns.

sandy - I think it's that the internet in general has a greater prevalence of younger people who have more progressive and left wing politics, and are precisely the kind of people who would support Jeremy Corbyn's Labour party. That does make it a skewed sample somewhat, and with no adjustment to "real life" like the polls attempt.

Besides which, people who tend to vote Tory (like me) are just opening themselves up to abuse from people who hate the Tories and potentially anyone who votes for them (like Hector). And in my experience the Tories and UKIP are far more likely to be hated online than Labour and the Lib Dems.

comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Broaquin (U16342)
posted 1 hour ago
Labour will definitely have a larger representation on here than in real life.

Also, surely reopening the poll will just screw the results of the previous one?
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why? are not football supporters part of real life? Strange analogy.
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Well I think most people here are little different to the average football supporter. Also you do find those who spend a lot more time on the internet, to hold different views than the general public.

I won't be voting Green, despite rating environmental concerns quite high, since their faux moral high ground is nauseating and they'd blindly bankrupt the country just like Corbyn.
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Why is it "faux"?

While I agree that they would struggle to run the country, I don;t get why you consider their ideals or stance to be fake.

It very much is the moral high ground and something people will come to regret ignoring, as time goes by.

comment by The_Dungeon_Master (U4830)
posted 2 minutes ago
sandy - I think it's that the internet in general has a greater prevalence of younger people who have more progressive and left wing politics, and are precisely the kind of people who would support Jeremy Corbyn's Labour party. That does make it a skewed sample somewhat, and with no adjustment to "real life" like the polls attempt.

Besides which, people who tend to vote Tory (like me) are just opening themselves up to abuse from people who hate the Tories and potentially anyone who votes for them (like Hector). And in my experience the Tories and UKIP are far more likely to be hated online than Labour and the Lib Dems.
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I think you expressed this better than I was able to.

The last part I disagree with a little bit. There are plenty of Conservative and UKIP supporters to be found online, but they usually will be found on political forums.

Most people with more right-wing opinions online, can be found in these kind of echo chambers.

and in my experience the Tories and UKIP are far more likely to be hated online than Labour and the Lib Dems.
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Not in the comments sections of most media outlets.

Leftie luvvies, snowflakes are ridiculed

I hadn't genuinely intended to return to Labour for the first time in 3 elections.

Until, that is, Corbyn's shambolic interview yesterday.

I guess I was teetering on the edge of idealism, seeing Corbyn as a man of principle.

The reality is that yesterday he allowed us a glimpse into the divided ineffective in-fighting that would be a Labour government.

He's is quite simply unelectable in the best interests of the country.

Labour, rather Corbyn, will get my vote. Purely because he's the only politician I believe is genuinely interested int he good of the nation.

Had*

My iPhone always autocorrects had to hadn't

comment by The_Dungeon_Master (U4830)
posted 56 minutes ago
I voted in the last article, but I doubt I'll remember every week so I'm leaving it at this.

I'll be voting Conservative and I very much doubt anything will happen to make me change my mind. Not because I'm wedded to some ideology of the rich getting richer, but because I believe them to be competent. (I say competent - technically Nicky Morgan is my MP so I'll be holding my nose in the process.)

I won't be voting Labour because they'd happily bankrupt the country without even realising they were doing it - and Corbyn quicker than most.
I won't be voting Liberal Democrat, although I still think they got a bad rap at the last election after doing a broadly good job. (IMO.)
I won't be voting UKIP, who have now served their purpose and can kindly do one as their remnants turn into the new BNP.
I won't be voting Green, despite rating environmental concerns quite high, since their faux moral high ground is nauseating and they'd blindly bankrupt the country just like Corbyn.

If that sounds uninspiring, indeed it is. But that's kind of the point. Competence and sense are not inspiring concepts. But they do keep the country and economy ticking as best it can.
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Hmm it seems strange to talk about bankrupting the country, when the Conservatives have never been any more fiscally responsible than the Labour party.

Conservatism has really morphed into neoliberalism over the years, starting with Thatcher and Reagan. Their ideology these days is to shrink the state, and replace it with subsidies to support the services. The only interest they have these days is to spend the money on privatisation and their austerity schemes.

comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 36 minutes ago
The Tories should be ritualistically and painfully punished for leading us down the road to economic and social ruin for their own internecine party political reasons. Stupid, navel gazing fart breathed posh boys and insane horsey faced girls guffawing and hurumphing their way to Armageddon, as for their forelock tugging serfs, Kowtowing to their lords and masters and blindly putting their X beside the Tory name, we know what you are....

Vote anyone but Tory or their more honest and transparent cousins in UKIP. They and their Right wing, nasty media brainwashers are already assuming that Victory is theirs, they are playing the masses for the fools they think they are, divide and rule, they're superb at it.
They don't want us to spend the insane amounts of hard workers tax pounds on fixing the NHS, No, they want to renew Trident so their cabal can continue to feel important at the top table in the UN, continue to mince around in Government cars and RAF jets feeling smug and superior whilst the country faces more austerity, old people continue to be left to rot in hospital beds because their too cheap to employ carers, for their cliqué to get the best education whilst the plebs get forgotten...Fk the Tories, Fk UKIP and Fk any idiot stupid enough to give them the free pass that allows them to get their way. Vote Tory and watch the country tear itself apart.
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All that aside what have they ever done for us?

By us I mean you lot as Im Irish and everyone loves us.

A vote every week ? Fark that. Just keep the original article going. I'm out.

Ji Sung - I mainly use that definition about their other policies, where they share a lot with Corbyn's Labour, except with added disgust at anyone who disagrees with them. (I've seen Jonathan Bartley on Sunday morning discussion shows for years and he hasn't changed much. He fits the Greens well in that sense.) But there is a bit of it in the environmental sense when it comes to things like energy production. Essentially, if we don't have a degree of power from less palatable sources such as nuclear or fossil fuels, we get power cuts. If we get power cuts, it's the poor who suffer the most.

I'm with the environmental movement in the sense of policies being put forward to aid the planet (or rather aid the human race's place in it). When I see climate change deniers in charge of the USA, my heart sinks. But there has to be a balance. I always find the likes of the Greens to be too black and white across a range of issues with the justification boiling down to it being the right thing to do morally. Perhaps they really believe that, in which case perhaps I should classify it as simply incorrect rather than false.

Just to clarify, I would vote for a united Labour Party at this point.

Nevertheless, for the sake of stability I will be going with the Conservatives.

A Tory vote is the only one that is realistically going to ensure we avoid an ineffective government.

Broaquin - Certainly the "alt-right" is out in force right now. I don't have a lot of experience of them but they do seem like a horrible lot, hunting in packs. They seem to have taken over the BBC comments sections as well these days.

As for the Conservatives, I'm an advocate of austerity and that's what I find they broadly represent. (I don't agree with everything, but that's not the point of a political party.) I know that won't be a popular decision, but as far as I see it's about re-balancing overspending that took place throughout the 2000's, i.e. it's not that things have been cut as such, it's more the realisation that we could never afford them in the first place. (I'm aware of the argument that austerity is counterintuitive as well, but I've never bought any of those arguments in practice.)

Frankly, I quite liked the previous coalition government. Conservative pragmatism with Lib Dem influence to keep them honest about hit the sweet spot for me.

Still haven't made up my mind. Can't say I'm a fan of any of the major parties though.

comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 4 minutes ago
Just to clarify, I would vote for a united Labour Party at this point.

Nevertheless, for the sake of stability I will be going with the Conservatives.

A Tory vote is the only one that is realistically going to ensure we avoid an ineffective government.
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Can we really call the Conservative party more stabile, when in their 7 years, they have left us more politically unstable? Didn't Cameron make the same claim before the previous election , that Labour will be chaotic?

There is lot of in fighting between the Conservatives too, much surrounding the EU. So regardless of who gets voted, I don't think we will be seeing a unified party.

Also since the Conservative government has been ineffective in meeting any of their pledges, then they must be seen as ineffective too.

comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 15 minutes ago
A vote every week ? Fark that. Just keep the original article going. I'm out.
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We had the EU referendum months ago mate.