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comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 2 hours, 8 minutes ago
How can Corbyn lead an effective government if he has so little support within his own party that he can't even guarantee his own MPs will adhere to his Whip?

Basically, no promise he makes can be given any serious credibility because he doesn't even have the mandate from his own party.
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If he wins the election they may change their mind.

Those opinion polls eh...

As prophetic as reading Lorraines knicker stains for Oracle guidance.

This election will mark the beginning of the end of Ukip officially

- You will get those who will vote Tory because they believe that will more likely make brexit happen
- you will get those who only voted them cause of farage and go back to old parties they supported
- you will get those who will think job done on brexit and go back to their old party
- you will get those who do not like ukip now for what they stand for and for their leader
- you will get those who jump ship from ukip before it is officially broken up

You get the picture

Ukip will lose a lot of votes. They won't be totally finished until brexit has actually happened but they will almost be irrelevant

They have always been irrelevant, never understood the cult of Farage...that's cult. ...but he appealed to his purple helmet brigade, hes gone and so are they.

Seems a lifetime ago they were bring touted as the voice of the working class.

comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 56 minutes ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 2 hours, 8 minutes ago
How can Corbyn lead an effective government if he has so little support within his own party that he can't even guarantee his own MPs will adhere to his Whip?

Basically, no promise he makes can be given any serious credibility because he doesn't even have the mandate from his own party.
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If he wins the election they may change their mind.
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I don't deny it. Personally, I won't risk my vote on an "if" in that regard.

I'll probably vote Green.

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For me Labour are so unelectable, not just because of Corby, but because more and more they're not the party of the working classes, they're the party of the lowest common denominator. They seem to wish to drag everyone down enough to support those that believe they have a right to be subsidised rather than to live to what they earn.

Yes, people will say that the current minimum wage isn't enough for those with families to live on. Whilst also arguing that university fees should be scrapped. That students should have bursaries re-installed on courses. That the price of owning houses is too steep etc

We'll, I'm not rich, not brought up in a privileged house but am far more aligned with the Tory value of you earn what you work for.
Minimum wage is for entry level positions, a place to start at in any profession and look to move up from there. Universities are overly subscribed from people just going for the student lifestyle in wishy washy courses with no idea of their end target. Affordable buying of houses leading banks to lend too easily and causing crashes in the market.

I was far more connected to previous Conservative governments, but this one is still the best party to lead the country forward! It shouldn't be a popularity vote, we've seen the effect of that with Brexit, but which party is the strongest and most able to govern...and that is undoubtedly the conservatives right now.

comment by adam85 (U9560)
posted 4 minutes ago
For me Labour are so unelectable, not just because of Corby, but because more and more they're not the party of the working classes, they're the party of the lowest common denominator. They seem to wish to drag everyone down enough to support those that believe they have a right to be subsidised rather than to live to what they earn.

Yes, people will say that the current minimum wage isn't enough for those with families to live on. Whilst also arguing that university fees should be scrapped. That students should have bursaries re-installed on courses. That the price of owning houses is too steep etc

We'll, I'm not rich, not brought up in a privileged house but am far more aligned with the Tory value of you earn what you work for.
Minimum wage is for entry level positions, a place to start at in any profession and look to move up from there. Universities are overly subscribed from people just going for the student lifestyle in wishy washy courses with no idea of their end target. Affordable buying of houses leading banks to lend too easily and causing crashes in the market.

I was far more connected to previous Conservative governments, but this one is still the best party to lead the country forward! It shouldn't be a popularity vote, we've seen the effect of that with Brexit, but which party is the strongest and most able to govern...and that is undoubtedly the conservatives right now.
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Are you serious. The Tories have had seven years to govern, they have borrowed more than every Labour Government in history, despite still running an austerity programme. They have cut public services to the barebones. they have all but ruined the Health Service, the Care Service is in chaos. Public transport is expensive and chaotic, immigration is running at 10 times their promised target, the National Debt is past a trillion and rising. Owning an house is out of the reach of all but the wealthy.

Honestly don't give up your day job.

comment by adam85 (U9560)
posted 9 minutes ago
For me Labour are so unelectable, not just because of Corby, but because more and more they're not the party of the working classes, they're the party of the lowest common denominator. They seem to wish to drag everyone down enough to support those that believe they have a right to be subsidised rather than to live to what they earn.

Yes, people will say that the current minimum wage isn't enough for those with families to live on. Whilst also arguing that university fees should be scrapped. That students should have bursaries re-installed on courses. That the price of owning houses is too steep etc

We'll, I'm not rich, not brought up in a privileged house but am far more aligned with the Tory value of you earn what you work for.
Minimum wage is for entry level positions, a place to start at in any profession and look to move up from there. Universities are overly subscribed from people just going for the student lifestyle in wishy washy courses with no idea of their end target. Affordable buying of houses leading banks to lend too easily and causing crashes in the market.

I was far more connected to previous Conservative governments, but this one is still the best party to lead the country forward! It shouldn't be a popularity vote, we've seen the effect of that with Brexit, but which party is the strongest and most able to govern...and that is undoubtedly the conservatives right now.
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Not undoubtedly in my mind. Different values, different opinions. Never been a Tory voter, probably never will be. Not always been a Labour voter, but they have my vote this time around. My family are all Tory voters, always have been, and they are business people. I work in the public sector. People view things differently according to their circumstances, and what affects them. Such is human nature. However, business people on the whole (and I include family members) put their interests first (Tory vote), and public sector workers have a more, well, public interest at heart. I can only speak from my experience though.

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green party means you might as well just not bother voting

I know a nurse who said when labour were in power they were so obsessed in keeping waiting times down they got surgeries being done in the toilets. One disabled guy had an accident in the waiting room because the toilets were unavailable due to this.

The conservatives should be doing a lot more for the NHS but they do a better job than labour. Plus before you mention privatisation. The NHS has been around for 60+ years with mostly Tory governments and the NHS has not been privatised.

I don't know how many of you actually know this but the idea of the NHS was actually in the conservative manifesto in 1945 but the Labour Party won, took the idea and adapted it and made it their own.

In terms of privatisation, 6.6% of the NHS has been privatised. 2.2% by the tories, 4.4% by Labour.

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Some interesting opinions presented by NPE, but dogmatic libertarianism is just as bad as dogmatic socialism. Truth is certain sectors work better nationalised than privatised, and vice versa.

I used to align with Libertarianism, but to put these values into practice is just as hard as socialism. I support some libertarian schemes like the free market, and a universal basic income, but implementing some of these ideas towards healthcare, railways, prisons can be detrimental.

The issue with healthcare is that whilst some countries have made a good balance between privatisation and nationalisation (that being France), most have completely failed.

The US would be a prime example, of how flawed their healthcare system is. The results are that it is more expensive per cap to subsidise the insurance costs, than actually have it nationalised.

A nationalised health care, gives stronger bargaining power when it comes to negotiating with pharmaceutical companies, and drugs and medicine can be bought cheaper with quantities of scale. Privatised health care have larger overhead costs, so your money is paid less efficiently, and costs fluctuate depending on how many people are insured.

Now if the Conservatives could improve the healthcare system, with privatisation, then I would be all for it. However, what they have shown is that they can't. In the same way Railways in this country fare worse under privatisation, healthcare has deteriorated under austerity.

The Tory's would be far better described as neoliberal, than libertarian. They are mainly interested in increasing subsidies for private industries, which defeats the purpose of libertarianism. They also seem to be increasing tax like VAT, raising national insurance, council tax increases, and the bed room tax. So they fail to be libertarian in that aspect as well.

Need to make it the national health service again and not the international health service

We need to make it that if you can afford to then you pay a bit more for your health care. Some people can afford to spend that little bit more.

We also need to find away of creating an incentive not to go straight to A&E when you or your family get a little cough. There are people who do not actually have an emergency and therefore don't need to be there. They should rather book an appointment with their GP. Perhaps send a bill to those who don't have actual emergencies. The only problem is that could put people with actual emergencies off if they don't know if it is one or not.

Perhaps keep a record of how many people go to A&E and if for example people go three times in a row in a short space of time, where the condition is a non emergency, the doctor could have word with the patient to consider other options before going A&E.

As a Tory myself yes i admit that some parts do need to be privatised. I don't think we can continue with the NHS in its current state. However I do think we need to do our utmost to make it free and to be able use at any time.

The problem is we have too much health tourism and too much non emergency cases taking up A&E doctors time. Everyone should be forced to their national insurance card to be able to use it free. If not then you are charged.

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comment by Brightdave: (U11711)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by NPE - The New Romantic (U20804)
posted 18 minutes ago
Look at the issues the NHS faces:

- a growing population (30% bigger than when NHS was founded)

- an ageing population that doesn't die but instead muddles along with costly chronic but manageable pains that require NHS support

- a huge shortage of social homes and care centres which result in numerous bed blockers

- a mental health epidemic, particularly among young men

- binge drinking (although drinking volume has gone down in my generation, binge drinking wasn't a thing in 1948)

- a mroe extensive demand for physiotherapy and rehab

- a social understanding that drug addictions require treatment rather than jail time

- a Brexit that could potentially jeopardise flow of nurses coming into NHS

- demoralised junior doctors

- huge waiting times for appointments, surgeries, and A & E

- low cancer survival rates compared to european counterparts

Now, relative to its funding, the NHS is great value for money but nearly every country in the world, including much superior health systems, sometimes even in cuddly socialist states, have a huge private finance influence in health care.

Having it as one nationalised institution that general taxation is expected to pay for is naive, outdated, and absurdly dogmatic.



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Privatise the health system following the USA approach.

I won't bother to list all the problems with that system, there's too many...

All needs be said is that even their right wing party can't agree to get rid of ACA after banging on for seven years that they'd do so, because of damage it will do to people.


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Quite right!

comment by NPE - The New Romantic (U20804)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
Look at the issues the NHS faces:

- a growing population (30% bigger than when NHS was founded)

- an ageing population that doesn't die but instead muddles along with costly chronic but manageable pains that require NHS support

- a huge shortage of social homes and care centres which result in numerous bed blockers

- a mental health epidemic, particularly among young men

- binge drinking (although drinking volume has gone down in my generation, binge drinking wasn't a thing in 1948)

- a mroe extensive demand for physiotherapy and rehab

- a social understanding that drug addictions require treatment rather than jail time

- a Brexit that could potentially jeopardise flow of nurses coming into NHS

- demoralised junior doctors

- huge waiting times for appointments, surgeries, and A & E

- low cancer survival rates compared to european counterparts

Now, relative to its funding, the NHS is great value for money but nearly every country in the world, including much superior health systems, sometimes even in cuddly socialist states, have a huge private finance influence in health care.

Having it as one nationalised institution that general taxation is expected to pay for is naive, outdated, and absurdly dogmatic.



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And yet it still delivers one of the best value for money healthcare systems with amongst the best public health outcomes in the world.

Go figure...