comment by Robbing_Hoody (U6374)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody (U6374)
posted 24 minutes ago
Well we were ranked the top club in Europe within the last decade so....
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Another example of why stats can be wildly misleading
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Two CL finals in three years between 2005-7. We were a very good side capable of beating anyone so no, not really.
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But you did nothing in the league, so success in a cup competition is slightly misleading... You can't be the top club in Europe over any period if you are the top team in your own country once in that same period.
Well professionals feel differently I'm afraid and either way it's not 27 years of wilderness is it.
comment by Robbing_Hoody (U6374)
posted 6 minutes ago
Well professionals feel differently I'm afraid and either way it's not 27 years of wilderness is it.
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Never said it was, but to suggest that Liverpool was the best team in Europe at a time you were relatively non-competitive for the title in your own country is a bit daft - so those professionals might feel differently, but their logic is questionable.
Yeah what do they know compared to you? Fvcking idiots. I'll write a strongly worded email this minute!
By the way that ranking was in 2009 when we finished second having lost only two games (that's never happened before or since) so I'd be interested to know what you feel counts as "relatively non-competitive" because it almost seems as though you don't know what you're talking about.
comment by Robbing_Hoody (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
By the way that ranking was in 2009 when we finished second having lost only two games (that's never happened before or since) so I'd be interested to know what you feel counts as "relatively non-competitive" because it almost seems as though you don't know what you're talking about.
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But you didn't win the league, so weren't the most consistent, effective (best?) team in your own league...
It's really not a difficult point to grasp. If there was at least one better team than you in that season then you weren't the best team.
Also, that ranking you're going on about wasn't based on that one season (09), which makes it all the more ridiculous, given your lack of domestic success...
That ranking you were given was based exclusively on your 5 year performance in Europe leading up to 09.
Going by the UEFA rankings, in 2011 Man United was the top ranked team in Europe. Any United fan will tell you that we were a far superior team in 08,09 and 10' than in 11', so the fact that were were ranked at #1 ONLY once our team had declined in quality, shows what a fallacy the system is for judging a team.
A blind man could see that if you factor in domestic performance, Liverpool weren't the best club in Europe at the time...
Tl:Dr
Liverpool were ranked top team in Europe and ergo were not in the wilderness. Just deal with it.
I never said Liverpool were in the wilderness.. Ergo, I have nothing to deal with.
Both are right.
It is a fact Liverpool were ranked the best team in Europe but also only because the system used to rank the teams is ridiculous.
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 4 minutes ago
I never said Liverpool were in the wilderness.. Ergo, I have nothing to deal with.
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So why are we conversing?
comment by Robbing_Hoody (U6374)
posted 55 minutes ago
How so?
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Because, when Liverpool were allegedly the top side in Europe ('09), Man United were the reigning English and European champions.
That's a bit silly, no?
comment by Robbing_Hoody (U6374)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 4 minutes ago
I never said Liverpool were in the wilderness.. Ergo, I have nothing to deal with.
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So why are we conversing?
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Because my estimation of you from previous threads is that you're less obtuse than plenty of folks on here, ergo worthy of conversing with...
If you'd prefer, I could red flag you and you'll join the list of illustrious people I completely ignore. You'd be in Hafi and Winston's company if that sweetens it for you...
Being in Hafi's company is cruel but with Winston is death by 1000 cuts.
comment by Neo (U9135)
posted 45 minutes ago
Being in Hafi's company is cruel but with Winston is death by 1000 cuts.
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You have Winston spot on. I think I'd been on here less than a week when I blocked him out.
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comment by NPE - The New Romantic (U20804)
posted 11 minutes ago
Can someone explain the point of this article to me, it goes in knots after two lines.
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Read no further than the op for your explanation...
soccer?lol.
I'm not one to bang on about the fee either. There is so much to consider: sellers market, commercial value, years of service in his tank. By the time Pogba is in his peak, at the going rate he may prove a bargain.
That is a different story and possibly a worrying trend but I often think about hindsight in football and what a, relatively great value and quality team could be put together which was seen as a obscene waste of money at its conception.
Despite knowing what a talent he was think back to how most of us felt at the fee paid for Ronaldo, it was, in my opinion a bargain.
It's both relevant and irrelevant. Relevant in the sense you'll always expect a player who cost 90mil to produce game changing performances week in week out, which despite Pogba's pretty good stats he simply isn't doing.
But it's irrelevant in the respect that no central midfielder can possibly justify a price tag of 90mil so United brought him in knowing he wasn't value for money, for that money you want goals regardless of the player's position. So from that prospective he can only be judged on what he brings to the team, and in that respect he's been a success - almost any United fan would say they'd rather have him than not.
The issue I have with Pogba is that I don't even think he's this exceptional talent that many seem to believe he is.
Obviously he's a very good player, but in all the games I've seen him in (for United, Juventus and France), I haven't seen a performance that really impressed me to the point which would justify the amount of hype he generates.
comment by The Sniper (U21079)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
The issue I have with Pogba is that I don't even think he's this exceptional talent that many seem to believe he is.
Obviously he's a very good player, but in all the games I've seen him in (for United, Juventus and France), I haven't seen a performance that really impressed me to the point which would justify the amount of hype he generates.
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Putting the (direct) commercial stuff aside he was more than a footballing signing for United, at at time where their stock was low he was a statement signing. He is a high profile player and securing him sends out a message. It creates a buzz, he was a player they knew the could land given his history with the club and one which can attract other high profile additions.
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 13 hours, 16 minutes ago
Every clubs fans defends their players as much as they can
Is he worth what we paid for him? No
Has he been a good buy? Yes
Has he improved us? Yes
He creates most of our chances and will get better. He is big, strong, powerful, very good on the ball. His biggest flaw is he has no footballing brain. He really does need to sort that out IMO. His positional sense is shocking but under the right guidance I'm sure that will improve.
He actually tries to hard but I'm sure in the next 2-3 yrs he will be a top top player.
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"Every clubs fans defends their players as much as they can..."
Without even a hint of irony
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Pogba. The fee is relevant IMO.
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posted on 3/5/17
How so?
posted on 3/5/17
comment by Robbing_Hoody (U6374)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody (U6374)
posted 24 minutes ago
Well we were ranked the top club in Europe within the last decade so....
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Another example of why stats can be wildly misleading
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Two CL finals in three years between 2005-7. We were a very good side capable of beating anyone so no, not really.
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But you did nothing in the league, so success in a cup competition is slightly misleading... You can't be the top club in Europe over any period if you are the top team in your own country once in that same period.
posted on 3/5/17
Well professionals feel differently I'm afraid and either way it's not 27 years of wilderness is it.
posted on 3/5/17
comment by Robbing_Hoody (U6374)
posted 6 minutes ago
Well professionals feel differently I'm afraid and either way it's not 27 years of wilderness is it.
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Never said it was, but to suggest that Liverpool was the best team in Europe at a time you were relatively non-competitive for the title in your own country is a bit daft - so those professionals might feel differently, but their logic is questionable.
posted on 3/5/17
Yeah what do they know compared to you? Fvcking idiots. I'll write a strongly worded email this minute!
posted on 3/5/17
By the way that ranking was in 2009 when we finished second having lost only two games (that's never happened before or since) so I'd be interested to know what you feel counts as "relatively non-competitive" because it almost seems as though you don't know what you're talking about.
posted on 3/5/17
comment by Robbing_Hoody (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
By the way that ranking was in 2009 when we finished second having lost only two games (that's never happened before or since) so I'd be interested to know what you feel counts as "relatively non-competitive" because it almost seems as though you don't know what you're talking about.
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But you didn't win the league, so weren't the most consistent, effective (best?) team in your own league...
It's really not a difficult point to grasp. If there was at least one better team than you in that season then you weren't the best team.
Also, that ranking you're going on about wasn't based on that one season (09), which makes it all the more ridiculous, given your lack of domestic success...
That ranking you were given was based exclusively on your 5 year performance in Europe leading up to 09.
Going by the UEFA rankings, in 2011 Man United was the top ranked team in Europe. Any United fan will tell you that we were a far superior team in 08,09 and 10' than in 11', so the fact that were were ranked at #1 ONLY once our team had declined in quality, shows what a fallacy the system is for judging a team.
A blind man could see that if you factor in domestic performance, Liverpool weren't the best club in Europe at the time...
posted on 3/5/17
Tl:Dr
Liverpool were ranked top team in Europe and ergo were not in the wilderness. Just deal with it.
posted on 3/5/17
I never said Liverpool were in the wilderness.. Ergo, I have nothing to deal with.
posted on 3/5/17
Both are right.
It is a fact Liverpool were ranked the best team in Europe but also only because the system used to rank the teams is ridiculous.
posted on 3/5/17
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 4 minutes ago
I never said Liverpool were in the wilderness.. Ergo, I have nothing to deal with.
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So why are we conversing?
posted on 3/5/17
comment by Robbing_Hoody (U6374)
posted 55 minutes ago
How so?
_____________
Because, when Liverpool were allegedly the top side in Europe ('09), Man United were the reigning English and European champions.
That's a bit silly, no?
posted on 3/5/17
comment by Robbing_Hoody (U6374)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 4 minutes ago
I never said Liverpool were in the wilderness.. Ergo, I have nothing to deal with.
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So why are we conversing?
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Because my estimation of you from previous threads is that you're less obtuse than plenty of folks on here, ergo worthy of conversing with...
If you'd prefer, I could red flag you and you'll join the list of illustrious people I completely ignore. You'd be in Hafi and Winston's company if that sweetens it for you...
posted on 3/5/17
Being in Hafi's company is cruel but with Winston is death by 1000 cuts.
posted on 3/5/17
comment by Neo (U9135)
posted 45 minutes ago
Being in Hafi's company is cruel but with Winston is death by 1000 cuts.
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You have Winston spot on. I think I'd been on here less than a week when I blocked him out.
posted on 3/5/17
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posted on 3/5/17
comment by NPE - The New Romantic (U20804)
posted 11 minutes ago
Can someone explain the point of this article to me, it goes in knots after two lines.
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Read no further than the op for your explanation...
soccer?lol.
posted on 3/5/17
I'm not one to bang on about the fee either. There is so much to consider: sellers market, commercial value, years of service in his tank. By the time Pogba is in his peak, at the going rate he may prove a bargain.
That is a different story and possibly a worrying trend but I often think about hindsight in football and what a, relatively great value and quality team could be put together which was seen as a obscene waste of money at its conception.
Despite knowing what a talent he was think back to how most of us felt at the fee paid for Ronaldo, it was, in my opinion a bargain.
posted on 3/5/17
It's both relevant and irrelevant. Relevant in the sense you'll always expect a player who cost 90mil to produce game changing performances week in week out, which despite Pogba's pretty good stats he simply isn't doing.
But it's irrelevant in the respect that no central midfielder can possibly justify a price tag of 90mil so United brought him in knowing he wasn't value for money, for that money you want goals regardless of the player's position. So from that prospective he can only be judged on what he brings to the team, and in that respect he's been a success - almost any United fan would say they'd rather have him than not.
posted on 3/5/17
The issue I have with Pogba is that I don't even think he's this exceptional talent that many seem to believe he is.
Obviously he's a very good player, but in all the games I've seen him in (for United, Juventus and France), I haven't seen a performance that really impressed me to the point which would justify the amount of hype he generates.
posted on 3/5/17
comment by The Sniper (U21079)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
The issue I have with Pogba is that I don't even think he's this exceptional talent that many seem to believe he is.
Obviously he's a very good player, but in all the games I've seen him in (for United, Juventus and France), I haven't seen a performance that really impressed me to the point which would justify the amount of hype he generates.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Putting the (direct) commercial stuff aside he was more than a footballing signing for United, at at time where their stock was low he was a statement signing. He is a high profile player and securing him sends out a message. It creates a buzz, he was a player they knew the could land given his history with the club and one which can attract other high profile additions.
posted on 4/5/17
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 13 hours, 16 minutes ago
Every clubs fans defends their players as much as they can
Is he worth what we paid for him? No
Has he been a good buy? Yes
Has he improved us? Yes
He creates most of our chances and will get better. He is big, strong, powerful, very good on the ball. His biggest flaw is he has no footballing brain. He really does need to sort that out IMO. His positional sense is shocking but under the right guidance I'm sure that will improve.
He actually tries to hard but I'm sure in the next 2-3 yrs he will be a top top player.
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"Every clubs fans defends their players as much as they can..."
Without even a hint of irony
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