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What do you mean by sacrificing NI?
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comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? High King Sausag... (U3126)
posted less than a minute ago
Ginger
As per the NIP, NI is being *treated* (for goods etc) as an EU member state. The UK has chosen to leave the EU. Ergo border checks on goods are required.
Whether you believe they are disproportionate or not, this is the relationship the UK government wanted.
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Therein lies the nub.
The relationship “we” wanted was as above. Proportionality makes sense. What we have is not proportional.
In any agreement if the detail in practice prevents one side from operating properly or reasonably or becomes so onerous your try and discuss the issues. Inevitably of the other side just keeps saying “tough”, you walk away.
It seems to me that many who want a partnership with the EU seem quite content to revel in the deterioration lower to such an extent that may see their worst case scenario of no deal come true.
I happen to think that despite many on here repeating the mantra “this is what you voted for, suck it up” either finding out that a compromise will be reached by pragmatism from both sides or we do walk away.
The notion that the U.K. government will just back down is simply baseless.
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There are solutions which have been rejected by the Government, so unsure what you expect the EU to do here?
A SPS agreement based on the Swiss model was proposed. VAT proposals were also rejected. Customs, trusted trader (groupage has helped larger consignments by the likes of M&S, Tesco) were also rejected.
You call for pragmatism but little has been evidenced by the UKGov. And unfortunately the #10 briefings (placing the blame on the EU) has been swallowed by sections of the UK press.
For info BBC NI's John Campbell is probably the most informed journalist in regards to the NIP.
Dr Anna Jerzewska is also probably the foremost customs expert I'm aware of for info on customs facilitation in respect of the NIP.
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comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? High King Sausag... (U3126)
posted less than a minute ago
Ginger
As per the NIP, NI is being *treated* (for goods etc) as an EU member state. The UK has chosen to leave the EU. Ergo border checks on goods are required.
Whether you believe they are disproportionate or not, this is the relationship the UK government wanted.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Therein lies the nub.
The relationship “we” wanted was as above. Proportionality makes sense. What we have is not proportional.
In any agreement if the detail in practice prevents one side from operating properly or reasonably or becomes so onerous your try and discuss the issues. Inevitably of the other side just keeps saying “tough”, you walk away.
It seems to me that many who want a partnership with the EU seem quite content to revel in the deterioration lower to such an extent that may see their worst case scenario of no deal come true.
I happen to think that despite many on here repeating the mantra “this is what you voted for, suck it up” either finding out that a compromise will be reached by pragmatism from both sides or we do walk away.
The notion that the U.K. government will just back down is simply baseless.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There are solutions which have been rejected by the Government, so unsure what you expect the EU to do here?
A SPS agreement based on the Swiss model was proposed. VAT proposals were also rejected. Customs, trusted trader (groupage has helped larger consignments by the likes of M&S, Tesco) were also rejected.
You call for pragmatism but little has been evidenced by the UKGov. And unfortunately the #10 briefings (placing the blame on the EU) has been swallowed by sections of the UK press.
For info BBC NI's John Campbell is probably the most informed journalist in regards to the NIP.
Dr Anna Jerzewska is also probably the foremost customs expert I'm aware of for info on customs facilitation in respect of the NIP.
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They were rejected because they were “unacceptable”. Whether they are revisited now that the temperature is increased remains to be seen
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comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted less than a minute ago
What do you mean by sacrificing NI?
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Leave the UK
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What? As in hand it over to the EU or to become part of a United Ireland?
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comment by NPE ★★ (U22521)
posted less than a minute ago
Why would they want FoM ffs
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Without FoM there will always be Customs and tariffs
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Agreed
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Genuinely have no idea by what she means other than sheiting on NI.
I don’t think it’s a case of handing it over. Unless I’m missing something.
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? High King Sausag... (U3126)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? High King Sausag... (U3126)
posted less than a minute ago
Ginger
As per the NIP, NI is being *treated* (for goods etc) as an EU member state. The UK has chosen to leave the EU. Ergo border checks on goods are required.
Whether you believe they are disproportionate or not, this is the relationship the UK government wanted.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Therein lies the nub.
The relationship “we” wanted was as above. Proportionality makes sense. What we have is not proportional.
In any agreement if the detail in practice prevents one side from operating properly or reasonably or becomes so onerous your try and discuss the issues. Inevitably of the other side just keeps saying “tough”, you walk away.
It seems to me that many who want a partnership with the EU seem quite content to revel in the deterioration lower to such an extent that may see their worst case scenario of no deal come true.
I happen to think that despite many on here repeating the mantra “this is what you voted for, suck it up” either finding out that a compromise will be reached by pragmatism from both sides or we do walk away.
The notion that the U.K. government will just back down is simply baseless.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There are solutions which have been rejected by the Government, so unsure what you expect the EU to do here?
A SPS agreement based on the Swiss model was proposed. VAT proposals were also rejected. Customs, trusted trader (groupage has helped larger consignments by the likes of M&S, Tesco) were also rejected.
You call for pragmatism but little has been evidenced by the UKGov. And unfortunately the #10 briefings (placing the blame on the EU) has been swallowed by sections of the UK press.
For info BBC NI's John Campbell is probably the most informed journalist in regards to the NIP.
Dr Anna Jerzewska is also probably the foremost customs expert I'm aware of for info on customs facilitation in respect of the NIP.
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They were rejected because they were “unacceptable”. Whether they are revisited now that the temperature is increased remains to be seen
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Regretfully this is all playing out under the backdrop of Stormont on the brink of collapse.
Foster resigns this morning giving the Executive seven days to appoint a first/deputy first minister.
SF will not nominate a DFM unless the DUP sign up for an Irish Language Act (which was promised under the new decade new approach agreement). Poots (this morning) has refused to guarantee.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-57464224
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comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? High King Sausag... (U3126)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? High King Sausag... (U3126)
posted less than a minute ago
Ginger
As per the NIP, NI is being *treated* (for goods etc) as an EU member state. The UK has chosen to leave the EU. Ergo border checks on goods are required.
Whether you believe they are disproportionate or not, this is the relationship the UK government wanted.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Therein lies the nub.
The relationship “we” wanted was as above. Proportionality makes sense. What we have is not proportional.
In any agreement if the detail in practice prevents one side from operating properly or reasonably or becomes so onerous your try and discuss the issues. Inevitably of the other side just keeps saying “tough”, you walk away.
It seems to me that many who want a partnership with the EU seem quite content to revel in the deterioration lower to such an extent that may see their worst case scenario of no deal come true.
I happen to think that despite many on here repeating the mantra “this is what you voted for, suck it up” either finding out that a compromise will be reached by pragmatism from both sides or we do walk away.
The notion that the U.K. government will just back down is simply baseless.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There are solutions which have been rejected by the Government, so unsure what you expect the EU to do here?
A SPS agreement based on the Swiss model was proposed. VAT proposals were also rejected. Customs, trusted trader (groupage has helped larger consignments by the likes of M&S, Tesco) were also rejected.
You call for pragmatism but little has been evidenced by the UKGov. And unfortunately the #10 briefings (placing the blame on the EU) has been swallowed by sections of the UK press.
For info BBC NI's John Campbell is probably the most informed journalist in regards to the NIP.
Dr Anna Jerzewska is also probably the foremost customs expert I'm aware of for info on customs facilitation in respect of the NIP.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They were rejected because they were “unacceptable”. Whether they are revisited now that the temperature is increased remains to be seen
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Regretfully this is all playing out under the backdrop of Stormont on the brink of collapse.
Foster resigns this morning giving the Executive seven days to appoint a first/deputy first minister.
SF will not nominate a DFM unless the DUP sign up for an Irish Language Act (which was promised under the new decade new approach agreement). Poots (this morning) has refused to guarantee.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-57464224
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That’s a mess of mostly it’s own making. Has always been a very fragile “truce”.
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Nor Poots
ffs. Your thumbs have just increased in size as the morning has progressed
Tories using a bit of Ireland as a plaything.. I don't believe it!!
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Tories using a bit of Ireland as a plaything.. I don't believe it!!
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It’s a bit of the U.K.
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comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by BB⁷ (U13430)
posted less than a minute ago
Tories using a bit of Ireland as a plaything.. I don't believe it!!
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It’s a bit of the U.K.
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For now
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I’m just messing
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posted less than a minute ago
Not for long 🙂
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But not for long
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted about a minute ago
comment by BB⁷ (U13430)
posted less than a minute ago
Not for long 🙂
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But not for long
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Great tune 🕺
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comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted about a minute ago
comment by BB⁷ (U13430)
posted less than a minute ago
Not for long 🙂
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But not for long
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Great tune 🕺
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Number of times I’ve been sat with someone before or after a game and that comes on and they’re “what a lovely tune. What’s it about?”
Erm
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What do you mean by sacrificing NI?
posted on 14/6/21
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posted on 14/6/21
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? High King Sausag... (U3126)
posted less than a minute ago
Ginger
As per the NIP, NI is being *treated* (for goods etc) as an EU member state. The UK has chosen to leave the EU. Ergo border checks on goods are required.
Whether you believe they are disproportionate or not, this is the relationship the UK government wanted.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Therein lies the nub.
The relationship “we” wanted was as above. Proportionality makes sense. What we have is not proportional.
In any agreement if the detail in practice prevents one side from operating properly or reasonably or becomes so onerous your try and discuss the issues. Inevitably of the other side just keeps saying “tough”, you walk away.
It seems to me that many who want a partnership with the EU seem quite content to revel in the deterioration lower to such an extent that may see their worst case scenario of no deal come true.
I happen to think that despite many on here repeating the mantra “this is what you voted for, suck it up” either finding out that a compromise will be reached by pragmatism from both sides or we do walk away.
The notion that the U.K. government will just back down is simply baseless.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There are solutions which have been rejected by the Government, so unsure what you expect the EU to do here?
A SPS agreement based on the Swiss model was proposed. VAT proposals were also rejected. Customs, trusted trader (groupage has helped larger consignments by the likes of M&S, Tesco) were also rejected.
You call for pragmatism but little has been evidenced by the UKGov. And unfortunately the #10 briefings (placing the blame on the EU) has been swallowed by sections of the UK press.
For info BBC NI's John Campbell is probably the most informed journalist in regards to the NIP.
Dr Anna Jerzewska is also probably the foremost customs expert I'm aware of for info on customs facilitation in respect of the NIP.
posted on 14/6/21
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posted on 14/6/21
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? High King Sausag... (U3126)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? High King Sausag... (U3126)
posted less than a minute ago
Ginger
As per the NIP, NI is being *treated* (for goods etc) as an EU member state. The UK has chosen to leave the EU. Ergo border checks on goods are required.
Whether you believe they are disproportionate or not, this is the relationship the UK government wanted.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Therein lies the nub.
The relationship “we” wanted was as above. Proportionality makes sense. What we have is not proportional.
In any agreement if the detail in practice prevents one side from operating properly or reasonably or becomes so onerous your try and discuss the issues. Inevitably of the other side just keeps saying “tough”, you walk away.
It seems to me that many who want a partnership with the EU seem quite content to revel in the deterioration lower to such an extent that may see their worst case scenario of no deal come true.
I happen to think that despite many on here repeating the mantra “this is what you voted for, suck it up” either finding out that a compromise will be reached by pragmatism from both sides or we do walk away.
The notion that the U.K. government will just back down is simply baseless.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There are solutions which have been rejected by the Government, so unsure what you expect the EU to do here?
A SPS agreement based on the Swiss model was proposed. VAT proposals were also rejected. Customs, trusted trader (groupage has helped larger consignments by the likes of M&S, Tesco) were also rejected.
You call for pragmatism but little has been evidenced by the UKGov. And unfortunately the #10 briefings (placing the blame on the EU) has been swallowed by sections of the UK press.
For info BBC NI's John Campbell is probably the most informed journalist in regards to the NIP.
Dr Anna Jerzewska is also probably the foremost customs expert I'm aware of for info on customs facilitation in respect of the NIP.
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They were rejected because they were “unacceptable”. Whether they are revisited now that the temperature is increased remains to be seen
posted on 14/6/21
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posted on 14/6/21
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted less than a minute ago
What do you mean by sacrificing NI?
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Leave the UK
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What? As in hand it over to the EU or to become part of a United Ireland?
posted on 14/6/21
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted about a minute ago
comment by NPE ★★ (U22521)
posted less than a minute ago
Why would they want FoM ffs
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Without FoM there will always be Customs and tariffs
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Agreed
posted on 14/6/21
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posted on 14/6/21
Genuinely have no idea by what she means other than sheiting on NI.
I don’t think it’s a case of handing it over. Unless I’m missing something.
posted on 14/6/21
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? High King Sausag... (U3126)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? High King Sausag... (U3126)
posted less than a minute ago
Ginger
As per the NIP, NI is being *treated* (for goods etc) as an EU member state. The UK has chosen to leave the EU. Ergo border checks on goods are required.
Whether you believe they are disproportionate or not, this is the relationship the UK government wanted.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Therein lies the nub.
The relationship “we” wanted was as above. Proportionality makes sense. What we have is not proportional.
In any agreement if the detail in practice prevents one side from operating properly or reasonably or becomes so onerous your try and discuss the issues. Inevitably of the other side just keeps saying “tough”, you walk away.
It seems to me that many who want a partnership with the EU seem quite content to revel in the deterioration lower to such an extent that may see their worst case scenario of no deal come true.
I happen to think that despite many on here repeating the mantra “this is what you voted for, suck it up” either finding out that a compromise will be reached by pragmatism from both sides or we do walk away.
The notion that the U.K. government will just back down is simply baseless.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There are solutions which have been rejected by the Government, so unsure what you expect the EU to do here?
A SPS agreement based on the Swiss model was proposed. VAT proposals were also rejected. Customs, trusted trader (groupage has helped larger consignments by the likes of M&S, Tesco) were also rejected.
You call for pragmatism but little has been evidenced by the UKGov. And unfortunately the #10 briefings (placing the blame on the EU) has been swallowed by sections of the UK press.
For info BBC NI's John Campbell is probably the most informed journalist in regards to the NIP.
Dr Anna Jerzewska is also probably the foremost customs expert I'm aware of for info on customs facilitation in respect of the NIP.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They were rejected because they were “unacceptable”. Whether they are revisited now that the temperature is increased remains to be seen
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Regretfully this is all playing out under the backdrop of Stormont on the brink of collapse.
Foster resigns this morning giving the Executive seven days to appoint a first/deputy first minister.
SF will not nominate a DFM unless the DUP sign up for an Irish Language Act (which was promised under the new decade new approach agreement). Poots (this morning) has refused to guarantee.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-57464224
posted on 14/6/21
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? High King Sausag... (U3126)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? High King Sausag... (U3126)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? High King Sausag... (U3126)
posted less than a minute ago
Ginger
As per the NIP, NI is being *treated* (for goods etc) as an EU member state. The UK has chosen to leave the EU. Ergo border checks on goods are required.
Whether you believe they are disproportionate or not, this is the relationship the UK government wanted.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Therein lies the nub.
The relationship “we” wanted was as above. Proportionality makes sense. What we have is not proportional.
In any agreement if the detail in practice prevents one side from operating properly or reasonably or becomes so onerous your try and discuss the issues. Inevitably of the other side just keeps saying “tough”, you walk away.
It seems to me that many who want a partnership with the EU seem quite content to revel in the deterioration lower to such an extent that may see their worst case scenario of no deal come true.
I happen to think that despite many on here repeating the mantra “this is what you voted for, suck it up” either finding out that a compromise will be reached by pragmatism from both sides or we do walk away.
The notion that the U.K. government will just back down is simply baseless.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There are solutions which have been rejected by the Government, so unsure what you expect the EU to do here?
A SPS agreement based on the Swiss model was proposed. VAT proposals were also rejected. Customs, trusted trader (groupage has helped larger consignments by the likes of M&S, Tesco) were also rejected.
You call for pragmatism but little has been evidenced by the UKGov. And unfortunately the #10 briefings (placing the blame on the EU) has been swallowed by sections of the UK press.
For info BBC NI's John Campbell is probably the most informed journalist in regards to the NIP.
Dr Anna Jerzewska is also probably the foremost customs expert I'm aware of for info on customs facilitation in respect of the NIP.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They were rejected because they were “unacceptable”. Whether they are revisited now that the temperature is increased remains to be seen
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Regretfully this is all playing out under the backdrop of Stormont on the brink of collapse.
Foster resigns this morning giving the Executive seven days to appoint a first/deputy first minister.
SF will not nominate a DFM unless the DUP sign up for an Irish Language Act (which was promised under the new decade new approach agreement). Poots (this morning) has refused to guarantee.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-57464224
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That’s a mess of mostly it’s own making. Has always been a very fragile “truce”.
posted on 14/6/21
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posted on 14/6/21
Nor Poots
ffs. Your thumbs have just increased in size as the morning has progressed
posted on 14/6/21
Tories using a bit of Ireland as a plaything.. I don't believe it!!
posted on 14/6/21
comment by BB⁷ (U13430)
posted less than a minute ago
Tories using a bit of Ireland as a plaything.. I don't believe it!!
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It’s a bit of the U.K.
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posted on 14/6/21
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posted on 14/6/21
Not for long 🙂
posted on 14/6/21
comment by Zachsda( He’s The Greek Pedro) (U1850)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by BB⁷ (U13430)
posted less than a minute ago
Tories using a bit of Ireland as a plaything.. I don't believe it!!
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It’s a bit of the U.K.
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For now
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I’m just messing
posted on 14/6/21
comment by BB⁷ (U13430)
posted less than a minute ago
Not for long 🙂
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But not for long
posted on 14/6/21
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted about a minute ago
comment by BB⁷ (U13430)
posted less than a minute ago
Not for long 🙂
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But not for long
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Great tune 🕺
posted on 14/6/21
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posted on 14/6/21
comment by BB⁷ (U13430)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted about a minute ago
comment by BB⁷ (U13430)
posted less than a minute ago
Not for long 🙂
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But not for long
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Great tune 🕺
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Number of times I’ve been sat with someone before or after a game and that comes on and they’re “what a lovely tune. What’s it about?”
Erm
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