comment by Oscar #TeamFury (U12980)
posted 22 minutes ago
Ali was smaller than fury too and again his main strengths are fury’s so just don’t see how Alli would of beat hik
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Ali was still a big guy with decent reach and and range etc. And he fought and beat monsters like Foreman and Liston so I don't think that he'd have been put off fighting Tyson Fury. He was going to fight Wilt Chamberlain at one point lol.

Mike Tyson's very best wins were against a past it Larry Holmes, Michael Spinks (former cruiserweight) and Razor Ruddock. It's just not that impressive a résumé. And there were lots of fights that he seemed to avoid like Riddick Bowe and Ray Mercer.

Whenever he went up against another truly world class heavyweight he lost (discounting past it Larry Holmes). Tyson was still only 30 when he fought Holyfield (who was 34 at the time) and he got destroyed twice by him.

Tyson was a bit like Wilder, would absolutely crush bums but couldn’t do it vs the elite

Vitali’s another one that was over rated, fought a unfit past his best Lennox and still got battered and busted, apart from that fought nobody of any real note and still lost to Byrd and Chisora was slapping him about

Good fighter but again shouldn’t be anywhere near anyone’s top 10’s

Firm disagree - he was battering Lewis and unfairly TKO'd imo.

Vitali was an exceptional boxer.

Also - he schooled Chisora

What is your weird propagandising about?

Oscar tf you talking about. Wilder can’t do it v the elite, he’s lost to one guy? He’d beat every other heavy weight active rn imo. The disrespect he gets for not being a clean nicely balanced boxer is mad, whyte and AJ both light work for him.

https://twitter.com/billy__xvi/status/1518020150338932736?s=21&t=PJWre0T75QcX6iMY8YFpDA This is hilarious

comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
Mike Tyson's very best wins were against a past it Larry Holmes, Michael Spinks (former cruiserweight) and Razor Ruddock. It's just not that impressive a résumé. And there were lots of fights that he seemed to avoid like Riddick Bowe and Ray Mercer.

Whenever he went up against another truly world class heavyweight he lost (discounting past it Larry Holmes). Tyson was still only 30 when he fought Holyfield (who was 34 at the time) and he got destroyed twice by him.
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But you're not accounting for the fact that Tyson started early. He had 30 something fights before he reached the age Holyfield was when he started professionally, so a lot of miles on the clock already. And he was out of the game in prison for 4 years before fighting Holyfield.

It's like the same way Rooney's peak finished earlier because he started earlier.

comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
Mike Tyson's very best wins were against a past it Larry Holmes, Michael Spinks (former cruiserweight) and Razor Ruddock. It's just not that impressive a résumé. And there were lots of fights that he seemed to avoid like Riddick Bowe and Ray Mercer.

Whenever he went up against another truly world class heavyweight he lost (discounting past it Larry Holmes). Tyson was still only 30 when he fought Holyfield (who was 34 at the time) and he got destroyed twice by him.
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But you're not accounting for the fact that Tyson started early. He had 30 something fights before he reached the age Holyfield was when he started professionally, so a lot of miles on the clock already. And he was out of the game in prison for 4 years before fighting Holyfield.

It's like the same way Rooney's peak finished earlier because he started earlier.
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That's all fine but it doesn't really change my point. Ali also wasn't allowed to fight for a few years during his prime but he still came back and won most of his biggest fights in his 30's.

And Tyson had just turned 30 when he fought Holyfield, so there's no way that he could have been past it at that point. And if he was then he just couldn't have been that great compared to the likes of Ali and other top ten greats.

That's why Mike Tyson doesn't get into my all time top ten whereas fighters of his generation Lewis and Holyfield do.

comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
Mike Tyson's very best wins were against a past it Larry Holmes, Michael Spinks (former cruiserweight) and Razor Ruddock. It's just not that impressive a résumé. And there were lots of fights that he seemed to avoid like Riddick Bowe and Ray Mercer.

Whenever he went up against another truly world class heavyweight he lost (discounting past it Larry Holmes). Tyson was still only 30 when he fought Holyfield (who was 34 at the time) and he got destroyed twice by him.
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But you're not accounting for the fact that Tyson started early. He had 30 something fights before he reached the age Holyfield was when he started professionally, so a lot of miles on the clock already. And he was out of the game in prison for 4 years before fighting Holyfield.

It's like the same way Rooney's peak finished earlier because he started earlier.
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That's all fine but it doesn't really change my point. Ali also wasn't allowed to fight for a few years during his prime but he still came back and won most of his biggest fights in his 30's.

And Tyson had just turned 30 when he fought Holyfield, so there's no way that he could have been past it at that point. And if he was then he just couldn't have been that great compared to the likes of Ali and other top ten greats.

That's why Mike Tyson doesn't get into my all time top ten whereas fighters of his generation Lewis and Holyfield do.
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Well I'm not saying Tyson was better than Ali, but even so you have to consider that Holyfield wasn't facing a prime Tyson at the time, and Holyfield was more in his, same when Tyson fought Lewis. Tyson's prime was unquestionably in the 80's before he started having his own personal problems which affected his game. How he would have fared against Lewis, Holyfield etc. back in his prime will always be unknown but presumably he'd have done better than when he did fight them.

Fury is the best fighter of his era in my opinion but I think he needs to become undisputed, to leave no doubts.

Comparing fighters from different eras is always tricky because there are so many variables that you need to take into account.

Fight rules, conditions, sports and nutrition, sporting knowledge, economy, corruption, competition etc.

Fury Joshua is the fight I want to see but it's partly Joshua's fault for getting schooled by others.

comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 5 minutes ago
Fury is the best fighter of his era in my opinion but I think he needs to become undisputed, to leave no doubts.


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Nah beating AJ or Usky will only cement his era dominance. It won't make him the goat

comment by (K̇ash) I'm the Mané - Free Palestine 🇵🇸 (U1108)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 5 minutes ago
Fury is the best fighter of his era in my opinion but I think he needs to become undisputed, to leave no doubts.


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Nah beating AJ or Usky will only cement his era dominance. It won't make him the goat
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If he retires now and doesn't beat the winner of AJ/Usyk, it will leave a gap in his legacy.

comment by NPE - Heroes Cause Chaos (U22712)
posted 5 minutes ago
Fury Joshua is the fight I want to see but it's partly Joshua's fault for getting schooled by others.
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If AJ beats Usyk and it's a big if, we will see one of the biggest fights in HW history.

comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by NPE - Heroes Cause Chaos (U22712)
posted 5 minutes ago
Fury Joshua is the fight I want to see but it's partly Joshua's fault for getting schooled by others.
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If AJ beats Usyk and it's a big if, we will see one of the biggest fights in HW history.
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As in they are both very tall?

Honestly wouldn't expect much last couple of Fury fights you can see he's not too bothered, couple of steps below Wilder 2. Don't think Tyson is that bothered anymore - can't see him getting as motivated for anyone.

If Fury can't be motivated to become the first undisputed Heavyweight Champion of the World since the great Lennox Lewis then nothing will motivate him.

I struggle to see why he wouldn't want that fight regardless of him facing Usyk or AJ. And if Usyk is such easy work for him (jokingly called him a middleweight) then he has nothing to worry about taking the fight.

If Fury retires now it will be a huge question mark over his career and it would mean not being able to put him in that conversation for all-time top ten heavyweights in my opinion.

comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 hour, 31 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
Mike Tyson's very best wins were against a past it Larry Holmes, Michael Spinks (former cruiserweight) and Razor Ruddock. It's just not that impressive a résumé. And there were lots of fights that he seemed to avoid like Riddick Bowe and Ray Mercer.

Whenever he went up against another truly world class heavyweight he lost (discounting past it Larry Holmes). Tyson was still only 30 when he fought Holyfield (who was 34 at the time) and he got destroyed twice by him.
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But you're not accounting for the fact that Tyson started early. He had 30 something fights before he reached the age Holyfield was when he started professionally, so a lot of miles on the clock already. And he was out of the game in prison for 4 years before fighting Holyfield.

It's like the same way Rooney's peak finished earlier because he started earlier.
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That's all fine but it doesn't really change my point. Ali also wasn't allowed to fight for a few years during his prime but he still came back and won most of his biggest fights in his 30's.

And Tyson had just turned 30 when he fought Holyfield, so there's no way that he could have been past it at that point. And if he was then he just couldn't have been that great compared to the likes of Ali and other top ten greats.

That's why Mike Tyson doesn't get into my all time top ten whereas fighters of his generation Lewis and Holyfield do.
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Well I'm not saying Tyson was better than Ali, but even so you have to consider that Holyfield wasn't facing a prime Tyson at the time, and Holyfield was more in his, same when Tyson fought Lewis. Tyson's prime was unquestionably in the 80's before he started having his own personal problems which affected his game. How he would have fared against Lewis, Holyfield etc. back in his prime will always be unknown but presumably he'd have done better than when he did fight them.
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Yes but the fact that Tyson had such a relatively short "prime" has to count against him when comparing him to the all-time great heavyweights.

And we'll never know how the likes of Lewis and Holyfield would have fared against 1986-1989 Tyson but my point is why do we have to ? If Tyson is as good as some people maintain then he should still have been good at the age of 30 when he got annihilated by a 34 year Holyfield.

comment by Superb (U6486)
posted less than a minute ago
If Fury can't be motivated to become the first undisputed Heavyweight Champion of the World since the great Lennox Lewis then nothing will motivate him.

I struggle to see why he wouldn't want that fight regardless of him facing Usyk or AJ. And if Usyk is such easy work for him (jokingly called him a middleweight) then he has nothing to worry about taking the fight.

If Fury retires now it will be a huge question mark over his career and it would mean not being able to put him in that conversation for all-time top ten heavyweights in my opinion.
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Completely disagree - beaten the best there is in the division, a younger AJ maybe, but the one we have seen since his Ruiz loss isn't even close to his best. There isn't anything left in this division for him so why would he get motivated? If AJ beat Usyk it would be a different question, but AJ was schooled by him.

Tyson has all the money in the world he needs, he seems to have a content family life and he doesn't seem some one overly reliant on boxing to define him, and he has beaten the best in the division comfortably.

comment by Simon West (U1830)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by NPE - Heroes Cause Chaos (U22712)
posted 5 minutes ago
Fury Joshua is the fight I want to see but it's partly Joshua's fault for getting schooled by others.
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If AJ beats Usyk and it's a big if, we will see one of the biggest fights in HW history.
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As in they are both very tall?

Honestly wouldn't expect much last couple of Fury fights you can see he's not too bothered, couple of steps below Wilder 2. Don't think Tyson is that bothered anymore - can't see him getting as motivated for anyone.
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It will be bigger than any HW fight in the last 30 years because of the stakes and the stock of each fighter. An undisputed fight between Fury and AJ would do more than 94K at Wembley and it would not only command the attention of global fight fans but the casuals would flock to it like flies to a turrd. Throw into the mix that AJ and Fury probably don't like each other and their promoters probably hate each other, it's a fight for the ages. Just thinking about the first face off between AJ and Fury gives me goose bumps.

There isn't anything left in this division for him
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Yes there is, the greatest prize in the entire sport, which is becoming undisputed Heavyweight Champion of the World.

The suggestion that Fury isn't motivated anymore is ridiculous in my opinion. An unmotivated fighter doesn't fight a guy like Wilder for the 3rd time and get up off the canvas to get the win. He also doesn't come into a fight against a former sparring partner and put on a clinic.

Furys motivation over the 3-4 years can certainly be questioned but if we're talking then next 1-2 years, there is no chance that he overlooks anyone.

comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Simon West (U1830)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by NPE - Heroes Cause Chaos (U22712)
posted 5 minutes ago
Fury Joshua is the fight I want to see but it's partly Joshua's fault for getting schooled by others.
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If AJ beats Usyk and it's a big if, we will see one of the biggest fights in HW history.
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As in they are both very tall?

Honestly wouldn't expect much last couple of Fury fights you can see he's not too bothered, couple of steps below Wilder 2. Don't think Tyson is that bothered anymore - can't see him getting as motivated for anyone.
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It will be bigger than any HW fight in the last 30 years because of the stakes and the stock of each fighter. An undisputed fight between Fury and AJ would do more than 94K at Wembley and it would not only command the attention of global fight fans but the casuals would flock to it like flies to a turrd. Throw into the mix that AJ and Fury probably don't like each other and their promoters probably hate each other, it's a fight for the ages. Just thinking about the first face off between AJ and Fury gives me goose bumps.
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It would be epic and I think Fury would definitely be up for that if it happens. Sadly AJ would likely need to beat Usyk twice before that can happen. And does anyone think that's likely at this point ?

Fury will fight the winner of AJ/Usyk this year, in my opinion. Probably November/December.