As a mixed race man, I’d take stop and search if it prevents more deaths.

And what are these conditions these communities are exposed to that other ethnic groups aren’t?

Economic opportunities, academic opportunities and sheet like that.

You can't deny they exist because of the disparity in the rates of crime from place to place.

Crime does not reflect on race, it reflects mainly on economic ability across the world. The poorer they are, with less access to certain opportunities than other races will lead to more crime and more violent crime.

I can't imagine a guy with a paid off mortgage joining a gang, but a homeless dude would, no?

Also, you haven't answered this. Does stop and search recover more prohibited items from one race than another? If not then the justification for black people being stopped 10 times more on average evaporates.

The aim is to stop crime, not to stop black people from committing crime.

to stop this, the police need to stop and search people regularly for knives

being found to be carrying a knife, must have a severe penalty attached, such as a lengthy prison sentence

The question is, is it OK for a black guy to be stopped and searched 10 times more than a white guy?

Also, people don't knife others because there is no stop and search. How does stop and search address the causing factors of this crime? It doesn't and in fact risks making things worse by straining the link between people and police and killing trust. There's no way stop and search will not be misused racially.

The percentage of black people involved in crime is very small too.

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Look,all of humanities problems are down to the most established rules we've put in place for ourselves.

All these murders, sheet parenting, absent Dads, everything in this article, all the war, crime and suffering in the world is down to established rules that will never change. We're facked basically.

For instance, there are seven days in a week. You must work for five of the seven days. You get up and within no time you've left for work. You get home in the evening and within no time you need to go to bed as you've got work the next day.

You are under this system from the time you start school probably until retirement.

Its pretty robotic. It's the norm but this isn't something human beings have evolved to manage very well. Its not what evolution had in mind.

So you're left with two days for pleasure and personal stuff which is no where near enough time to get drunk and pass out on the sofa, recover from the hangover and still visit your mama without her smelling the booze on you. If you get drunk this weekend, you'll have to visit your mama next weekend as Sunday will be nursing time.

Furthermore, people do extreme things on Fridays and Saturdays. They drink too much, get in fights and basically act crazy because it's the weekend.

Why is the weekend so precious? Because its shorter than it should be, by far.

Look, this might sound ridiculous but animals need to be free. Scientific studies of cows and horses will prove that lifetime regimens and schedules, as opposed to absolute freedom can cause stress and violent behaviour.

The first thing the world should do is reduce the working week to 4 days, with Wednesday being a rest day or maybe even just add Friday to the weekend.

Also, we should stop relying on the sun to determine schedules. Its primitive. A working day should be increased to 30 hours. 10 hours for sleep, 8 hours for work and the rest for playing tekken and hanging out with your family and friends.

This would mean four work shifts a week. Everybody would have a job and be happy. I'm writing a research paper on this topic so let me stop there as I can go on forever.



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Interesting post with some valid and important points.

You’re only wrong about sleep and removing the alignment of the 24 hour day with the rotation of the Earth. There’s very good reason why we live diurnally - it’s biological and evolutionarily ingrained in our DNA.

I’d suggest Matthew Walker’s Why We Sleep as a decent introduction to the topic.

Good points there

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The question is, is it OK for a black guy to be stopped and searched 10 times more than a white guy?

Also, people don't knife others because there is no stop and search. How does stop and search address the causing factors of this crime? It doesn't and in fact risks making things worse by straining the link between people and police and killing trust. There's no way stop and search will not be misused racially.

The percentage of black people involved in crime is very small too.
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Depends why they are stopped and searched.

I wouldn't mind being searched if I knew the police are doing it to stop knife crime. Would you?

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But if in the end stop and search shows that prohibited items are found across all ethnicities at similar rates then that defeats the argument, no?

A black guy is 10 times more likely to be stopped and searched but just as likely to be carrying a prohibited item as a white guy?

As for London, its because of the conditions these youth are exposed to. Economically mostly.

In England and Wales, only 38% of knife crime was by black people or minorities. That's a minority and solid proof that conditions in London are exposing youths of a certain race to influences that lead them to take up some vices.

If these conditions are improved to match the rest of the country, knife crime in London by blacks and other ethnicities will also match the rest of the country.

White collar crimes are dominated by white folk and blacks are underrepresented there. Its all about different conditions.

“Stop and search without suspicion is a recipe for state abuse of power and does untold damage to communities’ trust in fair policing. It is the antithesis of the targeted, considered and accountable policy interventions that we really need to address complex problems such as youth violence over the long term.”

I agree with this quote.
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What proportion of the population is considered Black?
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3.3%

So an ethnic group making up just 3.3% of the population is responsible for 38% of knife crime in the UK.

Serious questions need to be asked why that is.
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Why do you think it is?

Its easy for you to say that.

If you're a black guy and repeatedly stopped while others are not stopped because of your skin colour its not so simple.

Perhaps you should consider its something you might never understand.

Only a small percentage of black people are involved in crime so the overwhelming majority will be going through it for nothing.

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But if in the end stop and search shows that prohibited items are found across all ethnicities at similar rates then that defeats the argument, no?

A black guy is 10 times more likely to be stopped and searched but just as likely to be carrying a prohibited item as a white guy?

As for London, its because of the conditions these youth are exposed to. Economically mostly.

In England and Wales, only 38% of knife crime was by black people or minorities. That's a minority and solid proof that conditions in London are exposing youths of a certain race to influences that lead them to take up some vices.

If these conditions are improved to match the rest of the country, knife crime in London by blacks and other ethnicities will also match the rest of the country.

White collar crimes are dominated by white folk and blacks are underrepresented there. Its all about different conditions.

“Stop and search without suspicion is a recipe for state abuse of power and does untold damage to communities’ trust in fair policing. It is the antithesis of the targeted, considered and accountable policy interventions that we really need to address complex problems such as youth violence over the long term.”

I agree with this quote.
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What proportion of the population is considered Black?
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3.3%

So an ethnic group making up just 3.3% of the population is responsible for 38% of knife crime in the UK.

Serious questions need to be asked why that is.
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Why do you think it is?
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I dont know


But I doubt it is because they dont have access to a social club

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/765986/uk-knife-crime-blade-britain-gangs-london-police/amp

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But if in the end stop and search shows that prohibited items are found across all ethnicities at similar rates then that defeats the argument, no?

A black guy is 10 times more likely to be stopped and searched but just as likely to be carrying a prohibited item as a white guy?

As for London, its because of the conditions these youth are exposed to. Economically mostly.

In England and Wales, only 38% of knife crime was by black people or minorities. That's a minority and solid proof that conditions in London are exposing youths of a certain race to influences that lead them to take up some vices.

If these conditions are improved to match the rest of the country, knife crime in London by blacks and other ethnicities will also match the rest of the country.

White collar crimes are dominated by white folk and blacks are underrepresented there. Its all about different conditions.

“Stop and search without suspicion is a recipe for state abuse of power and does untold damage to communities’ trust in fair policing. It is the antithesis of the targeted, considered and accountable policy interventions that we really need to address complex problems such as youth violence over the long term.”

I agree with this quote.
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What proportion of the population is considered Black?
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3.3%

So an ethnic group making up just 3.3% of the population is responsible for 38% of knife crime in the UK.

Serious questions need to be asked why that is.
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Why do you think it is?
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I dont know


But I doubt it is because they dont have access to a social club
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C'mon RDD you must have a theory

That article describes the problem. Gangs fighting over control of drug trade.

Stop and search is really gonna stop gangs from fighting over drug terrain, right?

Even if you take away the knives, they'll find other ways to off each other because you haven't addressed the problem.

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But if in the end stop and search shows that prohibited items are found across all ethnicities at similar rates then that defeats the argument, no?

A black guy is 10 times more likely to be stopped and searched but just as likely to be carrying a prohibited item as a white guy?

As for London, its because of the conditions these youth are exposed to. Economically mostly.

In England and Wales, only 38% of knife crime was by black people or minorities. That's a minority and solid proof that conditions in London are exposing youths of a certain race to influences that lead them to take up some vices.

If these conditions are improved to match the rest of the country, knife crime in London by blacks and other ethnicities will also match the rest of the country.

White collar crimes are dominated by white folk and blacks are underrepresented there. Its all about different conditions.

“Stop and search without suspicion is a recipe for state abuse of power and does untold damage to communities’ trust in fair policing. It is the antithesis of the targeted, considered and accountable policy interventions that we really need to address complex problems such as youth violence over the long term.”

I agree with this quote.
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What proportion of the population is considered Black?
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3.3%

So an ethnic group making up just 3.3% of the population is responsible for 38% of knife crime in the UK.

Serious questions need to be asked why that is.
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Why do you think it is?
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I dont know


But I doubt it is because they dont have access to a social club
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C'mon RDD you must have a theory
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Rap Music, reality TV, Social Media, lack of discipline, lack of policing, soft sentences, various things contribute

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That article describes the problem. Gangs fighting over control of drug trade.

Stop and search is really gonna stop gangs from fighting over drug terrain, right?

Even if you take away the knives, they'll find other ways to off each other because you haven't addressed the problem.
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You have to remember you are talking to a person who thought the Grenfell victims 'should have just moved' if they had concerns about fire safety.

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But if in the end stop and search shows that prohibited items are found across all ethnicities at similar rates then that defeats the argument, no?

A black guy is 10 times more likely to be stopped and searched but just as likely to be carrying a prohibited item as a white guy?

As for London, its because of the conditions these youth are exposed to. Economically mostly.

In England and Wales, only 38% of knife crime was by black people or minorities. That's a minority and solid proof that conditions in London are exposing youths of a certain race to influences that lead them to take up some vices.

If these conditions are improved to match the rest of the country, knife crime in London by blacks and other ethnicities will also match the rest of the country.

White collar crimes are dominated by white folk and blacks are underrepresented there. Its all about different conditions.

“Stop and search without suspicion is a recipe for state abuse of power and does untold damage to communities’ trust in fair policing. It is the antithesis of the targeted, considered and accountable policy interventions that we really need to address complex problems such as youth violence over the long term.”

I agree with this quote.
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What proportion of the population is considered Black?
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3.3%

So an ethnic group making up just 3.3% of the population is responsible for 38% of knife crime in the UK.

Serious questions need to be asked why that is.
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Why do you think it is?
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I dont know


But I doubt it is because they dont have access to a social club
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C'mon RDD you must have a theory
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Rap Music, reality TV, Social Media, lack of discipline, lack of policing, soft sentences, various things contribute
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Why would those factors affect black people more than others though?

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That article describes the problem. Gangs fighting over control of drug trade.

Stop and search is really gonna stop gangs from fighting over drug terrain, right?

Even if you take away the knives, they'll find other ways to off each other because you haven't addressed the problem.
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You have to remember you are talking to a person who thought the Grenfell victims 'should have just moved' if they had concerns about fire safety.
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Not me fella. I doubt very much it's easy once you have bagged yourself the security that council accommodation offers.

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But if in the end stop and search shows that prohibited items are found across all ethnicities at similar rates then that defeats the argument, no?

A black guy is 10 times more likely to be stopped and searched but just as likely to be carrying a prohibited item as a white guy?

As for London, its because of the conditions these youth are exposed to. Economically mostly.

In England and Wales, only 38% of knife crime was by black people or minorities. That's a minority and solid proof that conditions in London are exposing youths of a certain race to influences that lead them to take up some vices.

If these conditions are improved to match the rest of the country, knife crime in London by blacks and other ethnicities will also match the rest of the country.

White collar crimes are dominated by white folk and blacks are underrepresented there. Its all about different conditions.

“Stop and search without suspicion is a recipe for state abuse of power and does untold damage to communities’ trust in fair policing. It is the antithesis of the targeted, considered and accountable policy interventions that we really need to address complex problems such as youth violence over the long term.”

I agree with this quote.
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What proportion of the population is considered Black?
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3.3%

So an ethnic group making up just 3.3% of the population is responsible for 38% of knife crime in the UK.

Serious questions need to be asked why that is.
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Why do you think it is?
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I dont know


But I doubt it is because they dont have access to a social club
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C'mon RDD you must have a theory
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Rap Music, reality TV, Social Media, lack of discipline, lack of policing, soft sentences, various things contribute
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Why would those factors affect black people more than others though?
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I thought we were talking about those carrying knives full stop.

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But if in the end stop and search shows that prohibited items are found across all ethnicities at similar rates then that defeats the argument, no?

A black guy is 10 times more likely to be stopped and searched but just as likely to be carrying a prohibited item as a white guy?

As for London, its because of the conditions these youth are exposed to. Economically mostly.

In England and Wales, only 38% of knife crime was by black people or minorities. That's a minority and solid proof that conditions in London are exposing youths of a certain race to influences that lead them to take up some vices.

If these conditions are improved to match the rest of the country, knife crime in London by blacks and other ethnicities will also match the rest of the country.

White collar crimes are dominated by white folk and blacks are underrepresented there. Its all about different conditions.

“Stop and search without suspicion is a recipe for state abuse of power and does untold damage to communities’ trust in fair policing. It is the antithesis of the targeted, considered and accountable policy interventions that we really need to address complex problems such as youth violence over the long term.”

I agree with this quote.
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What proportion of the population is considered Black?
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3.3%

So an ethnic group making up just 3.3% of the population is responsible for 38% of knife crime in the UK.

Serious questions need to be asked why that is.
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Why do you think it is?
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I dont know


But I doubt it is because they dont have access to a social club
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C'mon RDD you must have a theory
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Rap Music, reality TV, Social Media, lack of discipline, lack of policing, soft sentences, various things contribute
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Why would those factors affect black people more than others though?
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I thought we were talking about those carrying knives full stop.
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"So an ethnic group making up just 3.3% of the population is responsible for 38% of knife crime in the UK.

Serious questions need to be asked why that is."

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But if in the end stop and search shows that prohibited items are found across all ethnicities at similar rates then that defeats the argument, no?

A black guy is 10 times more likely to be stopped and searched but just as likely to be carrying a prohibited item as a white guy?

As for London, its because of the conditions these youth are exposed to. Economically mostly.

In England and Wales, only 38% of knife crime was by black people or minorities. That's a minority and solid proof that conditions in London are exposing youths of a certain race to influences that lead them to take up some vices.

If these conditions are improved to match the rest of the country, knife crime in London by blacks and other ethnicities will also match the rest of the country.

White collar crimes are dominated by white folk and blacks are underrepresented there. Its all about different conditions.

“Stop and search without suspicion is a recipe for state abuse of power and does untold damage to communities’ trust in fair policing. It is the antithesis of the targeted, considered and accountable policy interventions that we really need to address complex problems such as youth violence over the long term.”

I agree with this quote.
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What proportion of the population is considered Black?
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3.3%

So an ethnic group making up just 3.3% of the population is responsible for 38% of knife crime in the UK.

Serious questions need to be asked why that is.
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Why do you think it is?
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I dont know


But I doubt it is because they dont have access to a social club
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C'mon RDD you must have a theory
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Rap Music, reality TV, Social Media, lack of discipline, lack of policing, soft sentences, various things contribute
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Why would those factors affect black people more than others though?
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I thought we were talking about those carrying knives full stop.
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"So an ethnic group making up just 3.3% of the population is responsible for 38% of knife crime in the UK.

Serious questions need to be asked why that is."
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As bad as London seems it doesn't even come close to any of the major cities in the USA for the murder rate per capita.