I think it's done to protect the feeling of the loved ones left behind. And rightly so.

comment by Mad Max (U22216)
posted 55 seconds ago
I think it's done to protect the feeling of the loved ones left behind. And rightly so.
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And yet we have no issue disclosing that somebody has died from cancer, murder, a tragic accident? Why should this be different? Are their loved ones not worthy of such protection?

Arguably, this is one of the only (and one of the most common) causes of death that we can actually do something about (absent of significant medical development, as in the case of cancer).

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Very true, it happens so often and it hardly gets mentioned. I see it daily/weekly (with my job) and yet it gets swept under the carpet.

In my experience, families are embarrassed at times, as they had no clue what and why the person did it. Unfortunately these people die in vain, and are ultimately just a statistic, sad but very true.

Its not in vain. They aren't doing it for anyone else. They are doing it for them.

I imagine they dont want to jump to conclusions even when you feel like you know what's happened

I am fine with whatever decision the loved ones make. It's the least they deserve after suffering such a devastating loss.

I think that often suicide is meant to kill one, and hurt another.

A really negative stigma attached to suicide in this country, its like a taboo subject almost.

I went to high school/college in Houston and found that its more of an open subject there and less of a negative stigma attached to it.

Certainly in high school depression/suicide was spoken about a lot as we seemed to have a few kids kill themselves each year typically a bullet to the head.

Sad situation and seems to get swept under the rug when it has to be one of the biggest killers of 30-50 year old males in this country.

You’d have to have been living under a rock for the last few years if you didn’t understand the link between mental health and suicide, particularly in young men, and also to know what a big issue it is.

So I’m not sure what added value there would be in explicitly stating what we all would assume is the case, although there may also be legal reasons for it.

The bigger issue imo is why this is still not taken seriously by so many. I’d like to think things are changing a little but sadly I don’t think they are.

Ss someone affected my a family member that committed suicide, I can tell you this with absolute certainty:

You are left wondering; why? What could I have done differently? Why didn’t I see the signs? What was he thinking?

Endless questions that can never be answered. And something you never, ever, get over.

I thinks its taken very seriously. The problem is, so many are able to hide these feelings. In so many cases nobody else knows until it is too late.

comment by Mad Max (U22216)
posted 15 seconds ago
I thinks its taken very seriously. The problem is, so many are able to hide these feelings. In so many cases nobody else knows until it is too late.
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I don’t agree at all.

I think there’s issues with employers not recognising the issues properly, with society not being fully of accepting of people with these issues and with pockets of people seeing it as a weakness and something to be mocked.

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posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Mad Max (U22216)
posted 15 seconds ago
I thinks its taken very seriously. The problem is, so many are able to hide these feelings. In so many cases nobody else knows until it is too late.
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I don’t agree at all.

I think there’s issues with employers not recognising the issues properly, with society not being fully of accepting of people with these issues and with pockets of people seeing it as a weakness and something to be mocked.
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Yep; there are very, very serious issues with assessment and treatment in the health service as well.

A mate of mine who made one very serious suicide attempt waited months and months for a psychiatric assessment and is still waiting for treatment.

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I had an English teacher from America. She once said the suicide isn't a cowardly thing as some seem to think. As to go through with it, you don't get another chance of you succeed.

I think we need to be better at asking for help and being receptive to helping. We've had famous people kill themselves due to depression. People with money issues or people who were not accepted for who they were. We may not be receptive as the signs are small, easy to miss and in some cases we may not even know what were the signs in the first place. People who don't know where to turn to, call for help, who to talk to, it's not always easy to talk to friends and family. Sometimes you can't talk to them as they're too close.

I think a big problem is people suffering from mental health issues wait far too long to ask for help. You can hide mental health as it has no obvious physical symptoms.

You don't wait till every bone in your body is broken to treat a broken arm.

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posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Mad Max (U22216)
posted 15 seconds ago
I thinks its taken very seriously. The problem is, so many are able to hide these feelings. In so many cases nobody else knows until it is too late.
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I don’t agree at all.

I think there’s issues with employers not recognising the issues properly, with society not being fully of accepting of people with these issues and with pockets of people seeing it as a weakness and something to be mocked.
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Yep; there are very, very serious issues with assessment and treatment in the health service as well.

A mate of mine who made one very serious suicide attempt waited months and months for a psychiatric assessment and is still waiting for treatment.
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And why can’t your mate be seen? Because the funding isn’t there. Governments don’t care for spending on social issues such as mental health. There’s no profit to be made, no dollars from lobbyists.

How many times have we heard American presidents say that guns aren’t the problem, it’s folks with mental health issues that are the problem? How often do we hear that if we could return mental health treatment we could avoid these tradgedies? Every feckin time.

And yet, year on year, no increase in government or state funding, at least, no increase that would provide any meaningful change.

They do t care about the working class rotting. Leave them to rot and kill each other. Wall Street and DC have bigger issues to be concerned with. Issues regarding profits.

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comment by Dave Better (U11711)
posted 7 minutes ago
SO TRUE ManFrom! The current POTUS has just done EXACTLY as you've described last week!

I find it exasperating.
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None of this lot cares. Thoughts and prayers for a day or two, then it’s back to immigrants, brexit, brownish people. Keep us scared, paranoid and thankful for living in the greatest country in history, even if it is in a trailer park eating 99c mechanically separates chicken nuggets for nourishment. They don’t care about mental health unless it’s a way to deflect from the real issue.

Jeffry Epstein.

No qualms about telling us he committed suicide

I lost someone very close to me to suicide a few years ago, so my answers to the question in the OP might be a little specific, so I apologise if they don’t always address the general issue but I’m sure it’s a relevant perspective either way
I found my close friend the morning after he succeeded in taking his own life. I can tell you that even know I can’t see the what the signs were. I’m not saying that nothing ever bothered him but I had no idea his issues ran anywhere near as deep. As often seems the case, he was someone who appeared so happy. Extroverted and incredibly supportive of his friends. This not letting on his own struggles
With regards to the reporting of the term suicide. The police took a 2-3 months with an inquest and the verdict came back as misadventure. Bear in mind that I found my friend after he had hung himself. I think it would be inappropriate and disrespectful to those close to the incident to report suicide before that conclusion has been arrived at. I say this not because of stigma or shame. But because of shock and pain that these people are still trying to process. These people now become a priority as they themselves can be at risk of spiralling. They need to be allowed to process what’s happened and grieve properly, or it can easily develop into mental health issues of their own
Finally, the support just is not there at the moment. It seems that any preventive treatment is currently coming from charities and not the NHS. A friend of mine who is a mental health nurse is quite open about the fact they are only able to help people after something has happened.
I myself requested counselling after the incident. But was told the NHS could not help as it did not offer bereavement counselling. I was actually struggling with flash backs and panic attacks due to the actual act of finding the body. Though I’m not suggesting the effect of the grief was not exasepating the issue.
I did eventually get support from a charity, and I’m really not sure where I’d be if I didn’t.
As I say that’s my perspective on a specific incident. It may be a bit rambling and not make a specific point. But I feel it’s probably important to share it more than I currently do. Whether that’s for me or for anyone that might need to hear it

Wonder Man
Thanks for sharing such a personal story