I agree about this “watch your tone” stuff, who the eff do they think they are, if they can’t face questions no matter how difficult then they’re in the wrong job
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I don’t think so, Boris and his cronies are old school Tory libs, you can tell he’s been uncomfortable being authoritarian during this crisis. Probably why guidance has often been vague and open to interpretation.
The Tories have mismanaged the situation from the very start, 250k at Cheltenham over 4 days was bonkers.
However due to the 80 seat majority nobody can lay a glove on them and thats Labours fault for having Corbyn at the helm. Starmer is a big improvement and has a much better shadow cabinet but he's got a huge job on his hands especially as he was the minister in charge of Labours ridiculous vote losing Brexit policy.
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They're not facist, they're just self righteous, self-serving inadequate. Look at them, Gove, Johnson, Raab, Patel all grovelling at the feet of their svengali Cummings.
No chance of them going the 5 years, they're so inept they will do what entitled Tories always do, implode in wave after wave of profiteering sleaze.
However due to the 80 seat majority nobody can lay a glove on them and thats Labours fault for having Corbyn at the helm.
the problem is the majority of England was blinded by Brexit and the total nonsense spouted about Corbyn in the papers
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 15 minutes ago
The Tories have mismanaged the situation from the very start, 250k at Cheltenham over 4 days was bonkers.
However due to the 80 seat majority nobody can lay a glove on them and thats Labours fault for having Corbyn at the helm. Starmer is a big improvement and has a much better shadow cabinet but he's got a huge job on his hands especially as he was the minister in charge of Labours ridiculous vote losing Brexit policy.
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So basically you are saying it is Labours fault. Sorry mate, but that is a typical answer from a Tory voter. The Brexit vote was too narrow to put down as an absolute victory, and it is up to the Tories to take the whole country with them. I suspect they will just pander to Farage and the extreme Brexiteers though, thus plunging the country to an even worse outcome than it should be, just through dogmatic ideology.
At this time of crisis, Brexit will be the biggest mistake this country has ever made. When the whole world will try to pull together post Corona, Britain will be taking an isolationist position to financial ruin in all probability.
Hector,I agree with you, but who's able to take the mantle from them ?
It's going be five years of discontent,I believe.
comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
posted 21 seconds ago
However due to the 80 seat majority nobody can lay a glove on them and thats Labours fault for having Corbyn at the helm.
the problem is the majority of England was blinded by Brexit and the total nonsense spouted about Corbyn in the papers
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To true mate.
Could you imagine Colrbyn had been in charge now, and 32,000 deaths and rising, the Press would have absolutely crucified him.
Without being unkind to the electorate though, they are basically not the brightest, and are easily led like sheep. And therein lies the problem. And the Government knows it. They can do practically anything, and think they are above any kind of criticism or accountability.
Thus my article, of are we heading towards a Facist State?
comment by HarlequinHebdo (U16981)
posted 18 seconds ago
Hector,I agree with you, but who's able to take the mantle from them ?
It's going be five years of discontent,I believe.
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It's probably wishful thinking but I'm hoping they'll self destruct. That their MP's will think that their huge majority will force through their individual wish lists and when they become frustrated that their agenda usnt being met because of some internal division, they'll spit the Dummy ERG style and spontaneously combust into civil war.
That's what I hope happens anyway.
the Telegraph today beggars belief
they've plastered the story about Neil Ferguson all over the front page, they've been sitting on that story for a month!!
No mention of the fact we ow have the worst death toll in Europe and it's still 20k short on what they actually think it is
It's an utter disgrace but people will continue to let them get away with because they got us are country back etc etc Boris funny
I mean you've got senior government ministers out already saying Ferguson was the man behind these 'draconian lock down' and blaming him
this is it starting, absolve the government of all blame
blame SAGE
blame the public
blame the NHS
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comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 15 minutes ago
The Tories have mismanaged the situation from the very start, 250k at Cheltenham over 4 days was bonkers.
However due to the 80 seat majority nobody can lay a glove on them and thats Labours fault for having Corbyn at the helm. Starmer is a big improvement and has a much better shadow cabinet but he's got a huge job on his hands especially as he was the minister in charge of Labours ridiculous vote losing Brexit policy.
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So basically you are saying it is Labours fault. Sorry mate, but that is a typical answer from a Tory voter. The Brexit vote was too narrow to put down as an absolute victory, and it is up to the Tories to take the whole country with them. I suspect they will just pander to Farage and the extreme Brexiteers though, thus plunging the country to an even worse outcome than it should be, just through dogmatic ideology.
At this time of crisis, Brexit will be the biggest mistake this country has ever made. When the whole world will try to pull together post Corona, Britain will be taking an isolationist position to financial ruin in all probability.
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I know you're a Corbyn fan Sandy and thats your prerogative but the 2 reasons that alot of Labour mp's (some current, some former) have cited for the big GE defeat was their Brexit stance and Corbyns leadership.
As I've said and the stats prove the government have not handled the situation well but the Tory majority is allowing them to get away with it. Had Labour had an electable leader they wouldn't have lost so heavily and wouldn't be so easy to ignore.
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 15 minutes ago
The Tories have mismanaged the situation from the very start, 250k at Cheltenham over 4 days was bonkers.
However due to the 80 seat majority nobody can lay a glove on them and thats Labours fault for having Corbyn at the helm. Starmer is a big improvement and has a much better shadow cabinet but he's got a huge job on his hands especially as he was the minister in charge of Labours ridiculous vote losing Brexit policy.
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So basically you are saying it is Labours fault. Sorry mate, but that is a typical answer from a Tory voter. The Brexit vote was too narrow to put down as an absolute victory, and it is up to the Tories to take the whole country with them. I suspect they will just pander to Farage and the extreme Brexiteers though, thus plunging the country to an even worse outcome than it should be, just through dogmatic ideology.
At this time of crisis, Brexit will be the biggest mistake this country has ever made. When the whole world will try to pull together post Corona, Britain will be taking an isolationist position to financial ruin in all probability.
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I know you're a Corbyn fan Sandy and thats your prerogative but the 2 reasons that alot of Labour mp's (some current, some former) have cited for the big GE defeat was their Brexit stance and Corbyns leadership.
As I've said and the stats prove the government have not handled the situation well but the Tory majority is allowing them to get away with it. Had Labour had an electable leader they wouldn't have lost so heavily and wouldn't be so easy to ignore.
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I think the point is, you're blaming Labour for people voting Tory, then blaming Labour for the disastrous Tory rule, it is the mental gymnastics of the deluded.
The finger-pointing at Labour is this executives wet dream.
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 15 minutes ago
The Tories have mismanaged the situation from the very start, 250k at Cheltenham over 4 days was bonkers.
However due to the 80 seat majority nobody can lay a glove on them and thats Labours fault for having Corbyn at the helm. Starmer is a big improvement and has a much better shadow cabinet but he's got a huge job on his hands especially as he was the minister in charge of Labours ridiculous vote losing Brexit policy.
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So basically you are saying it is Labours fault. Sorry mate, but that is a typical answer from a Tory voter. The Brexit vote was too narrow to put down as an absolute victory, and it is up to the Tories to take the whole country with them. I suspect they will just pander to Farage and the extreme Brexiteers though, thus plunging the country to an even worse outcome than it should be, just through dogmatic ideology.
At this time of crisis, Brexit will be the biggest mistake this country has ever made. When the whole world will try to pull together post Corona, Britain will be taking an isolationist position to financial ruin in all probability.
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I know you're a Corbyn fan Sandy and thats your prerogative but the 2 reasons that alot of Labour mp's (some current, some former) have cited for the big GE defeat was their Brexit stance and Corbyns leadership.
As I've said and the stats prove the government have not handled the situation well but the Tory majority is allowing them to get away with it. Had Labour had an electable leader they wouldn't have lost so heavily and wouldn't be so easy to ignore.
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I think the point is, you're blaming Labour for people voting Tory, then blaming Labour for the disastrous Tory rule, it is the mental gymnastics of the deluded.
The finger-pointing at Labour is this executives wet dream.
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I'm not blaming the voters for deserting any party that Corbyn fronted but the members and unions who put him in charge have to shoulder the blame. When you lose you have to look at the reasons why.
In conclusion the mismanagement of the C virus is 100% at the Tories door but the inability of the opposition to be heard is down to those who contributed to Corbyn getting the top job.
Imagine the shiete show that we would have been seeing under the likes of Corbyn and Abbott, just step back and think about that for a moment, please.
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● (U3924)
posted 52 seconds ago
Imagine the shiete show that we would have been seeing under the likes of Corbyn and Abbott, just step back and think about that for a moment, please.
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But they’re not in office, so why should we think about it?
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posted 40 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 15 minutes ago
The Tories have mismanaged the situation from the very start, 250k at Cheltenham over 4 days was bonkers.
However due to the 80 seat majority nobody can lay a glove on them and thats Labours fault for having Corbyn at the helm. Starmer is a big improvement and has a much better shadow cabinet but he's got a huge job on his hands especially as he was the minister in charge of Labours ridiculous vote losing Brexit policy.
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So basically you are saying it is Labours fault. Sorry mate, but that is a typical answer from a Tory voter. The Brexit vote was too narrow to put down as an absolute victory, and it is up to the Tories to take the whole country with them. I suspect they will just pander to Farage and the extreme Brexiteers though, thus plunging the country to an even worse outcome than it should be, just through dogmatic ideology.
At this time of crisis, Brexit will be the biggest mistake this country has ever made. When the whole world will try to pull together post Corona, Britain will be taking an isolationist position to financial ruin in all probability.
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It's not the view of a Tory voter. I have the exact same view and have voted Labour all my life. Corbyn and the whole party massively facked up the last 3.years. The fact someone like Johnoson and this terrible Conservative party filled with individuals who are so unlikable can win by such a majority is an indictment on just how poor Corbyn was as a leader. I am hoping Starmer can show some actual leadership and balls, something Corbyn never had.
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I don`t get why you think Corbyn fecked up because he was asking for a decent health service, good public services, proper care facilities, proper paid holiday jobs, etc etc. Yet the lot that have been in Government for 10 years, given us all austerity, and are now making a massive mess of the coronavirus are somehow better. Explain yourself.
Or have you been sucked in by the media continually saying everything about Corbyn was wrong, and everything the Tories have done for 10 years is brilliant.
Brainwashing the masses is there for all to see. What exactly did Corbyn do that was so wrong, and what did the Tories do that was do right?
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● (U3924)
posted 6 minutes ago
Imagine the shiete show that we would have been seeing under the likes of Corbyn and Abbott, just step back and think about that for a moment, please.
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It would have been better Billy, it couldn`t have been worse. For a start, neither would have disregarded the nurses and the NHS like the Tories have done for 10 years.
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posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 15 minutes ago
The Tories have mismanaged the situation from the very start, 250k at Cheltenham over 4 days was bonkers.
However due to the 80 seat majority nobody can lay a glove on them and thats Labours fault for having Corbyn at the helm. Starmer is a big improvement and has a much better shadow cabinet but he's got a huge job on his hands especially as he was the minister in charge of Labours ridiculous vote losing Brexit policy.
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So basically you are saying it is Labours fault. Sorry mate, but that is a typical answer from a Tory voter. The Brexit vote was too narrow to put down as an absolute victory, and it is up to the Tories to take the whole country with them. I suspect they will just pander to Farage and the extreme Brexiteers though, thus plunging the country to an even worse outcome than it should be, just through dogmatic ideology.
At this time of crisis, Brexit will be the biggest mistake this country has ever made. When the whole world will try to pull together post Corona, Britain will be taking an isolationist position to financial ruin in all probability.
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I know you're a Corbyn fan Sandy and thats your prerogative but the 2 reasons that alot of Labour mp's (some current, some former) have cited for the big GE defeat was their Brexit stance and Corbyns leadership.
As I've said and the stats prove the government have not handled the situation well but the Tory majority is allowing them to get away with it. Had Labour had an electable leader they wouldn't have lost so heavily and wouldn't be so easy to ignore.
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I think the point is, you're blaming Labour for people voting Tory, then blaming Labour for the disastrous Tory rule, it is the mental gymnastics of the deluded.
The finger-pointing at Labour is this executives wet dream.
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I'm not blaming the voters for deserting any party that Corbyn fronted but the members and unions who put him in charge have to shoulder the blame. When you lose you have to look at the reasons why.
In conclusion the mismanagement of the C virus is 100% at the Tories door but the inability of the opposition to be heard is down to those who contributed to Corbyn getting the top job.
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This.
He should be voted out long in leadership vote long before the GE and this is from a person who voted for Corbyn in the last election.
Besides, the remain votes were so splitted across parties - we have SNP in Scotland, then Lib Dem disaster where Jo Swinton suddenly felt she can be a PM. On the other side, Boris just needed Brexit party to stand aside and clearly someone had a word with Farage so he changed his tone within a day.
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 15 minutes ago
The Tories have mismanaged the situation from the very start, 250k at Cheltenham over 4 days was bonkers.
However due to the 80 seat majority nobody can lay a glove on them and thats Labours fault for having Corbyn at the helm. Starmer is a big improvement and has a much better shadow cabinet but he's got a huge job on his hands especially as he was the minister in charge of Labours ridiculous vote losing Brexit policy.
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So basically you are saying it is Labours fault. Sorry mate, but that is a typical answer from a Tory voter. The Brexit vote was too narrow to put down as an absolute victory, and it is up to the Tories to take the whole country with them. I suspect they will just pander to Farage and the extreme Brexiteers though, thus plunging the country to an even worse outcome than it should be, just through dogmatic ideology.
At this time of crisis, Brexit will be the biggest mistake this country has ever made. When the whole world will try to pull together post Corona, Britain will be taking an isolationist position to financial ruin in all probability.
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I know you're a Corbyn fan Sandy and thats your prerogative but the 2 reasons that alot of Labour mp's (some current, some former) have cited for the big GE defeat was their Brexit stance and Corbyns leadership.
As I've said and the stats prove the government have not handled the situation well but the Tory majority is allowing them to get away with it. Had Labour had an electable leader they wouldn't have lost so heavily and wouldn't be so easy to ignore.
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I support whoever is leading the Labour Party, whether it be Corbyn or Blair. But I just don`t get why Corbyn would have been any worse than what we have.
Nobody has given me an explanation. He ticks all the boxes re Health Service, Jobs, Public Services. So what is it that made him so unelectable.
It was just a media frenzy against him, and the electorate brought it.
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posted 39 seconds ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 15 minutes ago
The Tories have mismanaged the situation from the very start, 250k at Cheltenham over 4 days was bonkers.
However due to the 80 seat majority nobody can lay a glove on them and thats Labours fault for having Corbyn at the helm. Starmer is a big improvement and has a much better shadow cabinet but he's got a huge job on his hands especially as he was the minister in charge of Labours ridiculous vote losing Brexit policy.
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So basically you are saying it is Labours fault. Sorry mate, but that is a typical answer from a Tory voter. The Brexit vote was too narrow to put down as an absolute victory, and it is up to the Tories to take the whole country with them. I suspect they will just pander to Farage and the extreme Brexiteers though, thus plunging the country to an even worse outcome than it should be, just through dogmatic ideology.
At this time of crisis, Brexit will be the biggest mistake this country has ever made. When the whole world will try to pull together post Corona, Britain will be taking an isolationist position to financial ruin in all probability.
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I know you're a Corbyn fan Sandy and thats your prerogative but the 2 reasons that alot of Labour mp's (some current, some former) have cited for the big GE defeat was their Brexit stance and Corbyns leadership.
As I've said and the stats prove the government have not handled the situation well but the Tory majority is allowing them to get away with it. Had Labour had an electable leader they wouldn't have lost so heavily and wouldn't be so easy to ignore.
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I think the point is, you're blaming Labour for people voting Tory, then blaming Labour for the disastrous Tory rule, it is the mental gymnastics of the deluded.
The finger-pointing at Labour is this executives wet dream.
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I'm not blaming the voters for deserting any party that Corbyn fronted but the members and unions who put him in charge have to shoulder the blame. When you lose you have to look at the reasons why.
In conclusion the mismanagement of the C virus is 100% at the Tories door but the inability of the opposition to be heard is down to those who contributed to Corbyn getting the top job.
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This.
He should be voted out long in leadership vote long before the GE and this is from a person who voted for Corbyn in the last election.
Besides, the remain votes were so splitted across parties - we have SNP in Scotland, then Lib Dem disaster where Jo Swinton suddenly felt she can be a PM. On the other side, Boris just needed Brexit party to stand aside and clearly someone had a word with Farage so he changed his tone within a day.
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What was it about his policies you didn`t like? I hear a lot about why he was unelectable. But nobody actually tells me why?
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 15 minutes ago
The Tories have mismanaged the situation from the very start, 250k at Cheltenham over 4 days was bonkers.
However due to the 80 seat majority nobody can lay a glove on them and thats Labours fault for having Corbyn at the helm. Starmer is a big improvement and has a much better shadow cabinet but he's got a huge job on his hands especially as he was the minister in charge of Labours ridiculous vote losing Brexit policy.
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So basically you are saying it is Labours fault. Sorry mate, but that is a typical answer from a Tory voter. The Brexit vote was too narrow to put down as an absolute victory, and it is up to the Tories to take the whole country with them. I suspect they will just pander to Farage and the extreme Brexiteers though, thus plunging the country to an even worse outcome than it should be, just through dogmatic ideology.
At this time of crisis, Brexit will be the biggest mistake this country has ever made. When the whole world will try to pull together post Corona, Britain will be taking an isolationist position to financial ruin in all probability.
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I know you're a Corbyn fan Sandy and thats your prerogative but the 2 reasons that alot of Labour mp's (some current, some former) have cited for the big GE defeat was their Brexit stance and Corbyns leadership.
As I've said and the stats prove the government have not handled the situation well but the Tory majority is allowing them to get away with it. Had Labour had an electable leader they wouldn't have lost so heavily and wouldn't be so easy to ignore.
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I support whoever is leading the Labour Party, whether it be Corbyn or Blair. But I just don`t get why Corbyn would have been any worse than what we have.
Nobody has given me an explanation. He ticks all the boxes re Health Service, Jobs, Public Services. So what is it that made him so unelectable.
It was just a media frenzy against him, and the electorate brought it.
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So nothing about his personal view on Brexit and EU, constantly dodge the questions on that subject.
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posted on 6/5/20
I agree about this “watch your tone” stuff, who the eff do they think they are, if they can’t face questions no matter how difficult then they’re in the wrong job
posted on 6/5/20
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posted on 6/5/20
I don’t think so, Boris and his cronies are old school Tory libs, you can tell he’s been uncomfortable being authoritarian during this crisis. Probably why guidance has often been vague and open to interpretation.
posted on 6/5/20
The Tories have mismanaged the situation from the very start, 250k at Cheltenham over 4 days was bonkers.
However due to the 80 seat majority nobody can lay a glove on them and thats Labours fault for having Corbyn at the helm. Starmer is a big improvement and has a much better shadow cabinet but he's got a huge job on his hands especially as he was the minister in charge of Labours ridiculous vote losing Brexit policy.
posted on 6/5/20
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posted on 6/5/20
They're not facist, they're just self righteous, self-serving inadequate. Look at them, Gove, Johnson, Raab, Patel all grovelling at the feet of their svengali Cummings.
No chance of them going the 5 years, they're so inept they will do what entitled Tories always do, implode in wave after wave of profiteering sleaze.
posted on 6/5/20
However due to the 80 seat majority nobody can lay a glove on them and thats Labours fault for having Corbyn at the helm.
the problem is the majority of England was blinded by Brexit and the total nonsense spouted about Corbyn in the papers
posted on 6/5/20
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 15 minutes ago
The Tories have mismanaged the situation from the very start, 250k at Cheltenham over 4 days was bonkers.
However due to the 80 seat majority nobody can lay a glove on them and thats Labours fault for having Corbyn at the helm. Starmer is a big improvement and has a much better shadow cabinet but he's got a huge job on his hands especially as he was the minister in charge of Labours ridiculous vote losing Brexit policy.
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So basically you are saying it is Labours fault. Sorry mate, but that is a typical answer from a Tory voter. The Brexit vote was too narrow to put down as an absolute victory, and it is up to the Tories to take the whole country with them. I suspect they will just pander to Farage and the extreme Brexiteers though, thus plunging the country to an even worse outcome than it should be, just through dogmatic ideology.
At this time of crisis, Brexit will be the biggest mistake this country has ever made. When the whole world will try to pull together post Corona, Britain will be taking an isolationist position to financial ruin in all probability.
posted on 6/5/20
Hector,I agree with you, but who's able to take the mantle from them ?
It's going be five years of discontent,I believe.
posted on 6/5/20
comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
posted 21 seconds ago
However due to the 80 seat majority nobody can lay a glove on them and thats Labours fault for having Corbyn at the helm.
the problem is the majority of England was blinded by Brexit and the total nonsense spouted about Corbyn in the papers
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To true mate.
Could you imagine Colrbyn had been in charge now, and 32,000 deaths and rising, the Press would have absolutely crucified him.
Without being unkind to the electorate though, they are basically not the brightest, and are easily led like sheep. And therein lies the problem. And the Government knows it. They can do practically anything, and think they are above any kind of criticism or accountability.
Thus my article, of are we heading towards a Facist State?
posted on 6/5/20
comment by HarlequinHebdo (U16981)
posted 18 seconds ago
Hector,I agree with you, but who's able to take the mantle from them ?
It's going be five years of discontent,I believe.
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It's probably wishful thinking but I'm hoping they'll self destruct. That their MP's will think that their huge majority will force through their individual wish lists and when they become frustrated that their agenda usnt being met because of some internal division, they'll spit the Dummy ERG style and spontaneously combust into civil war.
That's what I hope happens anyway.
posted on 6/5/20
the Telegraph today beggars belief
they've plastered the story about Neil Ferguson all over the front page, they've been sitting on that story for a month!!
No mention of the fact we ow have the worst death toll in Europe and it's still 20k short on what they actually think it is
It's an utter disgrace but people will continue to let them get away with because they got us are country back etc etc Boris funny
I mean you've got senior government ministers out already saying Ferguson was the man behind these 'draconian lock down' and blaming him
this is it starting, absolve the government of all blame
blame SAGE
blame the public
blame the NHS
posted on 6/5/20
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posted on 6/5/20
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 15 minutes ago
The Tories have mismanaged the situation from the very start, 250k at Cheltenham over 4 days was bonkers.
However due to the 80 seat majority nobody can lay a glove on them and thats Labours fault for having Corbyn at the helm. Starmer is a big improvement and has a much better shadow cabinet but he's got a huge job on his hands especially as he was the minister in charge of Labours ridiculous vote losing Brexit policy.
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So basically you are saying it is Labours fault. Sorry mate, but that is a typical answer from a Tory voter. The Brexit vote was too narrow to put down as an absolute victory, and it is up to the Tories to take the whole country with them. I suspect they will just pander to Farage and the extreme Brexiteers though, thus plunging the country to an even worse outcome than it should be, just through dogmatic ideology.
At this time of crisis, Brexit will be the biggest mistake this country has ever made. When the whole world will try to pull together post Corona, Britain will be taking an isolationist position to financial ruin in all probability.
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I know you're a Corbyn fan Sandy and thats your prerogative but the 2 reasons that alot of Labour mp's (some current, some former) have cited for the big GE defeat was their Brexit stance and Corbyns leadership.
As I've said and the stats prove the government have not handled the situation well but the Tory majority is allowing them to get away with it. Had Labour had an electable leader they wouldn't have lost so heavily and wouldn't be so easy to ignore.
posted on 6/5/20
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 15 minutes ago
The Tories have mismanaged the situation from the very start, 250k at Cheltenham over 4 days was bonkers.
However due to the 80 seat majority nobody can lay a glove on them and thats Labours fault for having Corbyn at the helm. Starmer is a big improvement and has a much better shadow cabinet but he's got a huge job on his hands especially as he was the minister in charge of Labours ridiculous vote losing Brexit policy.
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So basically you are saying it is Labours fault. Sorry mate, but that is a typical answer from a Tory voter. The Brexit vote was too narrow to put down as an absolute victory, and it is up to the Tories to take the whole country with them. I suspect they will just pander to Farage and the extreme Brexiteers though, thus plunging the country to an even worse outcome than it should be, just through dogmatic ideology.
At this time of crisis, Brexit will be the biggest mistake this country has ever made. When the whole world will try to pull together post Corona, Britain will be taking an isolationist position to financial ruin in all probability.
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I know you're a Corbyn fan Sandy and thats your prerogative but the 2 reasons that alot of Labour mp's (some current, some former) have cited for the big GE defeat was their Brexit stance and Corbyns leadership.
As I've said and the stats prove the government have not handled the situation well but the Tory majority is allowing them to get away with it. Had Labour had an electable leader they wouldn't have lost so heavily and wouldn't be so easy to ignore.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think the point is, you're blaming Labour for people voting Tory, then blaming Labour for the disastrous Tory rule, it is the mental gymnastics of the deluded.
The finger-pointing at Labour is this executives wet dream.
posted on 6/5/20
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 15 minutes ago
The Tories have mismanaged the situation from the very start, 250k at Cheltenham over 4 days was bonkers.
However due to the 80 seat majority nobody can lay a glove on them and thats Labours fault for having Corbyn at the helm. Starmer is a big improvement and has a much better shadow cabinet but he's got a huge job on his hands especially as he was the minister in charge of Labours ridiculous vote losing Brexit policy.
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So basically you are saying it is Labours fault. Sorry mate, but that is a typical answer from a Tory voter. The Brexit vote was too narrow to put down as an absolute victory, and it is up to the Tories to take the whole country with them. I suspect they will just pander to Farage and the extreme Brexiteers though, thus plunging the country to an even worse outcome than it should be, just through dogmatic ideology.
At this time of crisis, Brexit will be the biggest mistake this country has ever made. When the whole world will try to pull together post Corona, Britain will be taking an isolationist position to financial ruin in all probability.
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I know you're a Corbyn fan Sandy and thats your prerogative but the 2 reasons that alot of Labour mp's (some current, some former) have cited for the big GE defeat was their Brexit stance and Corbyns leadership.
As I've said and the stats prove the government have not handled the situation well but the Tory majority is allowing them to get away with it. Had Labour had an electable leader they wouldn't have lost so heavily and wouldn't be so easy to ignore.
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I think the point is, you're blaming Labour for people voting Tory, then blaming Labour for the disastrous Tory rule, it is the mental gymnastics of the deluded.
The finger-pointing at Labour is this executives wet dream.
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I'm not blaming the voters for deserting any party that Corbyn fronted but the members and unions who put him in charge have to shoulder the blame. When you lose you have to look at the reasons why.
In conclusion the mismanagement of the C virus is 100% at the Tories door but the inability of the opposition to be heard is down to those who contributed to Corbyn getting the top job.
posted on 6/5/20
Imagine the shiete show that we would have been seeing under the likes of Corbyn and Abbott, just step back and think about that for a moment, please.
posted on 6/5/20
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● (U3924)
posted 52 seconds ago
Imagine the shiete show that we would have been seeing under the likes of Corbyn and Abbott, just step back and think about that for a moment, please.
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But they’re not in office, so why should we think about it?
posted on 6/5/20
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 40 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 15 minutes ago
The Tories have mismanaged the situation from the very start, 250k at Cheltenham over 4 days was bonkers.
However due to the 80 seat majority nobody can lay a glove on them and thats Labours fault for having Corbyn at the helm. Starmer is a big improvement and has a much better shadow cabinet but he's got a huge job on his hands especially as he was the minister in charge of Labours ridiculous vote losing Brexit policy.
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So basically you are saying it is Labours fault. Sorry mate, but that is a typical answer from a Tory voter. The Brexit vote was too narrow to put down as an absolute victory, and it is up to the Tories to take the whole country with them. I suspect they will just pander to Farage and the extreme Brexiteers though, thus plunging the country to an even worse outcome than it should be, just through dogmatic ideology.
At this time of crisis, Brexit will be the biggest mistake this country has ever made. When the whole world will try to pull together post Corona, Britain will be taking an isolationist position to financial ruin in all probability.
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It's not the view of a Tory voter. I have the exact same view and have voted Labour all my life. Corbyn and the whole party massively facked up the last 3.years. The fact someone like Johnoson and this terrible Conservative party filled with individuals who are so unlikable can win by such a majority is an indictment on just how poor Corbyn was as a leader. I am hoping Starmer can show some actual leadership and balls, something Corbyn never had.
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I don`t get why you think Corbyn fecked up because he was asking for a decent health service, good public services, proper care facilities, proper paid holiday jobs, etc etc. Yet the lot that have been in Government for 10 years, given us all austerity, and are now making a massive mess of the coronavirus are somehow better. Explain yourself.
Or have you been sucked in by the media continually saying everything about Corbyn was wrong, and everything the Tories have done for 10 years is brilliant.
Brainwashing the masses is there for all to see. What exactly did Corbyn do that was so wrong, and what did the Tories do that was do right?
posted on 6/5/20
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● (U3924)
posted 6 minutes ago
Imagine the shiete show that we would have been seeing under the likes of Corbyn and Abbott, just step back and think about that for a moment, please.
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It would have been better Billy, it couldn`t have been worse. For a start, neither would have disregarded the nurses and the NHS like the Tories have done for 10 years.
posted on 6/5/20
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 15 minutes ago
The Tories have mismanaged the situation from the very start, 250k at Cheltenham over 4 days was bonkers.
However due to the 80 seat majority nobody can lay a glove on them and thats Labours fault for having Corbyn at the helm. Starmer is a big improvement and has a much better shadow cabinet but he's got a huge job on his hands especially as he was the minister in charge of Labours ridiculous vote losing Brexit policy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So basically you are saying it is Labours fault. Sorry mate, but that is a typical answer from a Tory voter. The Brexit vote was too narrow to put down as an absolute victory, and it is up to the Tories to take the whole country with them. I suspect they will just pander to Farage and the extreme Brexiteers though, thus plunging the country to an even worse outcome than it should be, just through dogmatic ideology.
At this time of crisis, Brexit will be the biggest mistake this country has ever made. When the whole world will try to pull together post Corona, Britain will be taking an isolationist position to financial ruin in all probability.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I know you're a Corbyn fan Sandy and thats your prerogative but the 2 reasons that alot of Labour mp's (some current, some former) have cited for the big GE defeat was their Brexit stance and Corbyns leadership.
As I've said and the stats prove the government have not handled the situation well but the Tory majority is allowing them to get away with it. Had Labour had an electable leader they wouldn't have lost so heavily and wouldn't be so easy to ignore.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think the point is, you're blaming Labour for people voting Tory, then blaming Labour for the disastrous Tory rule, it is the mental gymnastics of the deluded.
The finger-pointing at Labour is this executives wet dream.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm not blaming the voters for deserting any party that Corbyn fronted but the members and unions who put him in charge have to shoulder the blame. When you lose you have to look at the reasons why.
In conclusion the mismanagement of the C virus is 100% at the Tories door but the inability of the opposition to be heard is down to those who contributed to Corbyn getting the top job.
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This.
He should be voted out long in leadership vote long before the GE and this is from a person who voted for Corbyn in the last election.
Besides, the remain votes were so splitted across parties - we have SNP in Scotland, then Lib Dem disaster where Jo Swinton suddenly felt she can be a PM. On the other side, Boris just needed Brexit party to stand aside and clearly someone had a word with Farage so he changed his tone within a day.
posted on 6/5/20
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 15 minutes ago
The Tories have mismanaged the situation from the very start, 250k at Cheltenham over 4 days was bonkers.
However due to the 80 seat majority nobody can lay a glove on them and thats Labours fault for having Corbyn at the helm. Starmer is a big improvement and has a much better shadow cabinet but he's got a huge job on his hands especially as he was the minister in charge of Labours ridiculous vote losing Brexit policy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So basically you are saying it is Labours fault. Sorry mate, but that is a typical answer from a Tory voter. The Brexit vote was too narrow to put down as an absolute victory, and it is up to the Tories to take the whole country with them. I suspect they will just pander to Farage and the extreme Brexiteers though, thus plunging the country to an even worse outcome than it should be, just through dogmatic ideology.
At this time of crisis, Brexit will be the biggest mistake this country has ever made. When the whole world will try to pull together post Corona, Britain will be taking an isolationist position to financial ruin in all probability.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I know you're a Corbyn fan Sandy and thats your prerogative but the 2 reasons that alot of Labour mp's (some current, some former) have cited for the big GE defeat was their Brexit stance and Corbyns leadership.
As I've said and the stats prove the government have not handled the situation well but the Tory majority is allowing them to get away with it. Had Labour had an electable leader they wouldn't have lost so heavily and wouldn't be so easy to ignore.
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I support whoever is leading the Labour Party, whether it be Corbyn or Blair. But I just don`t get why Corbyn would have been any worse than what we have.
Nobody has given me an explanation. He ticks all the boxes re Health Service, Jobs, Public Services. So what is it that made him so unelectable.
It was just a media frenzy against him, and the electorate brought it.
posted on 6/5/20
comment by red_evils (U19878)
posted 39 seconds ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 15 minutes ago
The Tories have mismanaged the situation from the very start, 250k at Cheltenham over 4 days was bonkers.
However due to the 80 seat majority nobody can lay a glove on them and thats Labours fault for having Corbyn at the helm. Starmer is a big improvement and has a much better shadow cabinet but he's got a huge job on his hands especially as he was the minister in charge of Labours ridiculous vote losing Brexit policy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So basically you are saying it is Labours fault. Sorry mate, but that is a typical answer from a Tory voter. The Brexit vote was too narrow to put down as an absolute victory, and it is up to the Tories to take the whole country with them. I suspect they will just pander to Farage and the extreme Brexiteers though, thus plunging the country to an even worse outcome than it should be, just through dogmatic ideology.
At this time of crisis, Brexit will be the biggest mistake this country has ever made. When the whole world will try to pull together post Corona, Britain will be taking an isolationist position to financial ruin in all probability.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I know you're a Corbyn fan Sandy and thats your prerogative but the 2 reasons that alot of Labour mp's (some current, some former) have cited for the big GE defeat was their Brexit stance and Corbyns leadership.
As I've said and the stats prove the government have not handled the situation well but the Tory majority is allowing them to get away with it. Had Labour had an electable leader they wouldn't have lost so heavily and wouldn't be so easy to ignore.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think the point is, you're blaming Labour for people voting Tory, then blaming Labour for the disastrous Tory rule, it is the mental gymnastics of the deluded.
The finger-pointing at Labour is this executives wet dream.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm not blaming the voters for deserting any party that Corbyn fronted but the members and unions who put him in charge have to shoulder the blame. When you lose you have to look at the reasons why.
In conclusion the mismanagement of the C virus is 100% at the Tories door but the inability of the opposition to be heard is down to those who contributed to Corbyn getting the top job.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This.
He should be voted out long in leadership vote long before the GE and this is from a person who voted for Corbyn in the last election.
Besides, the remain votes were so splitted across parties - we have SNP in Scotland, then Lib Dem disaster where Jo Swinton suddenly felt she can be a PM. On the other side, Boris just needed Brexit party to stand aside and clearly someone had a word with Farage so he changed his tone within a day.
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What was it about his policies you didn`t like? I hear a lot about why he was unelectable. But nobody actually tells me why?
posted on 6/5/20
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 15 minutes ago
The Tories have mismanaged the situation from the very start, 250k at Cheltenham over 4 days was bonkers.
However due to the 80 seat majority nobody can lay a glove on them and thats Labours fault for having Corbyn at the helm. Starmer is a big improvement and has a much better shadow cabinet but he's got a huge job on his hands especially as he was the minister in charge of Labours ridiculous vote losing Brexit policy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So basically you are saying it is Labours fault. Sorry mate, but that is a typical answer from a Tory voter. The Brexit vote was too narrow to put down as an absolute victory, and it is up to the Tories to take the whole country with them. I suspect they will just pander to Farage and the extreme Brexiteers though, thus plunging the country to an even worse outcome than it should be, just through dogmatic ideology.
At this time of crisis, Brexit will be the biggest mistake this country has ever made. When the whole world will try to pull together post Corona, Britain will be taking an isolationist position to financial ruin in all probability.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I know you're a Corbyn fan Sandy and thats your prerogative but the 2 reasons that alot of Labour mp's (some current, some former) have cited for the big GE defeat was their Brexit stance and Corbyns leadership.
As I've said and the stats prove the government have not handled the situation well but the Tory majority is allowing them to get away with it. Had Labour had an electable leader they wouldn't have lost so heavily and wouldn't be so easy to ignore.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I support whoever is leading the Labour Party, whether it be Corbyn or Blair. But I just don`t get why Corbyn would have been any worse than what we have.
Nobody has given me an explanation. He ticks all the boxes re Health Service, Jobs, Public Services. So what is it that made him so unelectable.
It was just a media frenzy against him, and the electorate brought it.
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So nothing about his personal view on Brexit and EU, constantly dodge the questions on that subject.
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