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posted on 5/6/20

comment by Paul Tosh (U1734)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 - A Reputable Poster (U2462)
posted 47 seconds ago
Speeding with kids in the car and leaving young kids in an apartment alone are both examples of bad parenting.

They're also examples of bad parenting that if the end result doesn't end in disaster most people will get away with as well.
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I think that's the point that people are trying to make. But if the people here showing no empathy have never broken the speed limit then that's fine. They are not hypocritical. I doubt they'll answer though to avoid suspicion.
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None of us are perfect. I'm certainly not claiming to be.

We all have to take responsibility for the consequences of our actions though.

posted on 5/6/20

comment by Diafol Coch 77 - A Reputable Poster (U2462)
posted 13 minutes ago
Speeding with kids in the car and leaving young kids in an apartment alone are both examples of bad parenting.

They're also examples of bad parenting that if the end result doesn't end in disaster most people will get away with as well.
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If someone with say, 3 kids in their car breaks the speed limit and crashes and one of the kids dies, should the other two kids be taken away?

posted on 5/6/20

comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must follow ole (U11713)
posted 2 minutes ago
ive broken the speed limit with my kids in the car, maybe done 35 in a 30, but i dont break it if im at high speed
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Do you know the stats regarding hitting a child at 35mph compared to hitting one at 30mph? Taking into account the fact that 30mph speed limit roads tend to have a high number of pedestrians and children around. Therefore you are more likely to kill a child at 35mph in a 30mph speed limit zone than on a 60mph road.

posted on 5/6/20

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posted on 5/6/20

comment by Robb Sancho (U22311)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 - A Reputable Poster (U2462)
posted 13 minutes ago
Speeding with kids in the car and leaving young kids in an apartment alone are both examples of bad parenting.

They're also examples of bad parenting that if the end result doesn't end in disaster most people will get away with as well.
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If someone with say, 3 kids in their car breaks the speed limit and crashes and one of the kids dies, should the other two kids be taken away?
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That's a difficult one I must admit. It certainly is poor parenting but I'm not 100% on what the law is on that.

On the subject of leaving children alone though Gov.UK has this info:

The law does not say an age when you can leave a child on their own, but it’s an offence to leave a child alone if it places them at risk.

Use your judgement on how mature your child is before you decide to leave them alone, for example at home or in a car.

The National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children (NSPCC) says:

- children under 12 are rarely mature enough to be left alone for a long period of time

- children under 16 should not be left alone overnight

- babies, toddlers and very young children should never be left alone

Parents can be prosecuted if they leave a child unsupervised ‘in a manner likely to cause unnecessary suffering or injury to health’.

I'm not saying this is black and white. All I know is that both are examples of bad parenting. There is perhaps a difference in law in how they're seen though.

posted on 5/6/20

Comparing what the McCann's did to speeding

posted on 5/6/20

comment by CanULeiva (U18359)
posted 1 minute ago
Comparing what the McCann's did to speeding


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I know ridiculous. Speeding results in far more children dying.

posted on 5/6/20

comment by CanULeiva (U18359)
posted 2 minutes ago
Comparing what the McCann's did to speeding


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What is more likely to end in tragedy more often than not?

Someone speeding on a motorway with a car full of kids

Or

Popping over to a holiday bar metres from the apartment to have a few glasses of wine leaving the kids alone.


Both things that shouldn’t be done but if option one happens and kids die (from a more direct input from the parents) I don’t see anyone wanting their kids taken away.

posted on 5/6/20

comment by Robb Sancho (U22311)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by CanULeiva (U18359)
posted 2 minutes ago
Comparing what the McCann's did to speeding


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What is more likely to end in tragedy more often than not?

Someone speeding on a motorway with a car full of kids

Or

Popping over to a holiday bar metres from the apartment to have a few glasses of wine leaving the kids alone.


Both things that shouldn’t be done but if option one happens and kids die (from a more direct input from the parents) I don’t see anyone wanting their kids taken away.
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you say meters like it was 3 or 4, it was over 50 and you couldnt see the room, i cant understand how anyone can even try and justify what they did

posted on 5/6/20

comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must follow ole (U11713)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robb Sancho (U22311)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by CanULeiva (U18359)
posted 2 minutes ago
Comparing what the McCann's did to speeding


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What is more likely to end in tragedy more often than not?

Someone speeding on a motorway with a car full of kids

Or

Popping over to a holiday bar metres from the apartment to have a few glasses of wine leaving the kids alone.


Both things that shouldn’t be done but if option one happens and kids die (from a more direct input from the parents) I don’t see anyone wanting their kids taken away.
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you say meters like it was 3 or 4, it was over 50 and you couldnt see the room, i cant understand how anyone can even try and justify what they did
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You can't justify it really.

Same as you couldn't justify someone who killed one of their children because of reckless driving.

The latter one really being a much more direct consequence of recklessness which would probably result in some kind of prison sentence I'd imagine.

posted on 5/6/20

comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must... (U11713)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robb Sancho (U22311)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by CanULeiva (U18359)
posted 2 minutes ago
Comparing what the McCann's did to speeding


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What is more likely to end in tragedy more often than not?

Someone speeding on a motorway with a car full of kids

Or

Popping over to a holiday bar metres from the apartment to have a few glasses of wine leaving the kids alone.


Both things that shouldn’t be done but if option one happens and kids die (from a more direct input from the parents) I don’t see anyone wanting their kids taken away.
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you say meters like it was 3 or 4, it was over 50 and you couldnt see the room, i cant understand how anyone can even try and justify what they did
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Its hilarious

50 facking meters out of sight of the kids

But lets compare it to speeding 🙃 🤪

posted on 5/6/20

comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must follow ole (U11713)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robb Sancho (U22311)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by CanULeiva (U18359)
posted 2 minutes ago
Comparing what the McCann's did to speeding


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What is more likely to end in tragedy more often than not?

Someone speeding on a motorway with a car full of kids

Or

Popping over to a holiday bar metres from the apartment to have a few glasses of wine leaving the kids alone.


Both things that shouldn’t be done but if option one happens and kids die (from a more direct input from the parents) I don’t see anyone wanting their kids taken away.
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you say meters like it was 3 or 4, it was over 50 and you couldnt see the room, i cant understand how anyone can even try and justify what they did
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No one is justifying what they did. Based on the assumption that the German guy did it, what people are wanting is fair allocation of blame

They did make a stupid and selfish choice/decision - but people make stupid choices and selfish decisions all the time. Very rarely does it end in the possible rape and murder of a kid.

posted on 5/6/20

comment by Robb Sancho (U22311)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must follow ole (U11713)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robb Sancho (U22311)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by CanULeiva (U18359)
posted 2 minutes ago
Comparing what the McCann's did to speeding


----------------------------------------------------------------------

What is more likely to end in tragedy more often than not?

Someone speeding on a motorway with a car full of kids

Or

Popping over to a holiday bar metres from the apartment to have a few glasses of wine leaving the kids alone.


Both things that shouldn’t be done but if option one happens and kids die (from a more direct input from the parents) I don’t see anyone wanting their kids taken away.
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you say meters like it was 3 or 4, it was over 50 and you couldnt see the room, i cant understand how anyone can even try and justify what they did
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No one is justifying what they did. Based on the assumption that the German guy did it, what people are wanting is fair allocation of blame

They did make a stupid and selfish choice/decision - but people make stupid choices and selfish decisions all the time. Very rarely does it end in the possible rape and murder of a kid.
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its not really about allocation of blame.

the mcanns are guilty of neglect and whoever killed her ( is she is which is likely) is guilty of murder.

both are guilty in my opinion.. no allocation... no percentage... a young girl has probably been dead for over a decade because of someones stupidity and selfishness, and someone else being vile.

its way past proportion

posted on 5/6/20

I once did 50 in a 30mph zone with my daughter in the back, but ran over a paedo who was about to abduct a child.

Debate that one for 20 pages.

posted on 5/6/20


Popping over to a holiday bar metres from the apartment to have a few glasses of wine leaving the kids alone

This is just hilarious 🤣 😆 😂

posted on 5/6/20

comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must follow ole (U11713)
posted 47 seconds ago
comment by Robb Sancho (U22311)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must follow ole (U11713)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robb Sancho (U22311)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by CanULeiva (U18359)
posted 2 minutes ago
Comparing what the McCann's did to speeding


----------------------------------------------------------------------

What is more likely to end in tragedy more often than not?

Someone speeding on a motorway with a car full of kids

Or

Popping over to a holiday bar metres from the apartment to have a few glasses of wine leaving the kids alone.


Both things that shouldn’t be done but if option one happens and kids die (from a more direct input from the parents) I don’t see anyone wanting their kids taken away.
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you say meters like it was 3 or 4, it was over 50 and you couldnt see the room, i cant understand how anyone can even try and justify what they did
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No one is justifying what they did. Based on the assumption that the German guy did it, what people are wanting is fair allocation of blame

They did make a stupid and selfish choice/decision - but people make stupid choices and selfish decisions all the time. Very rarely does it end in the possible rape and murder of a kid.
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its not really about allocation of blame.

the mcanns are guilty of neglect and whoever killed her ( is she is which is likely) is guilty of murder.

both are guilty in my opinion.. no allocation... no percentage... a young girl has probably been dead for over a decade because of someones stupidity and selfishness, and someone else being vile.

its way past proportion
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😂 This is what we’re dealing with folks, I’m out.

posted on 5/6/20

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No one is justifying what they did. Based on the assumption that the German guy did it, what people are wanting is fair allocation of blame

They did make a stupid and selfish choice/decision - but people make stupid choices and selfish decisions all the time. Very rarely does it end in the possible rape and murder of a kid.

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I agree with the above Robb. They did make a stupid and selfish decision. The weren't to know that there was an abductor about. That still doesn't explain to me though why they didn't consider the other, more everyday, risks that are present when leaving young kids alone.

We can debate this until the cows come home but the truth is that only a small number of people will actually know exactly what happened that night.

posted on 5/6/20

I think they have suffered already. People have been blaming them all over the place for 13 years. We all have things we wish we wouldn't have done. Just because you don't know what they are doing, don't assume they are not paying for the consequences. The fact is they have never given up trying to find the truth prove to me that they are innocent. Hope this one will be their final closure, although it is likely to be a tragic end for the kid

posted on 5/6/20

Quite tempted to snatch a kid from one of these guys' gardens when they pop in to get a bottle of beer from the fridge and see if they jail themselves.

posted on 5/6/20

Nonce

posted on 5/6/20

comment by Phil Jones Bones (U9522)
posted 27 seconds ago
Nonce
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Nah it will be their own fault. They will be as much to blame as me

posted on 5/6/20

comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
Criminal neglect. Of course the German is allegedly to blame, but he never would have got the chance if the parents had done the most fundamental duty as parents of a child. They played it so perfectly to get public sympathy that the police didn't want to do the right thing and charge them with neglect.
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You dont know if hed have still got her whilst the parents slept.

posted on 5/6/20

Comparing what the McCann's did to speeding

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Who the hell did that?

posted on 5/6/20

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
Comparing what the McCann's did to speeding

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Who the hell did that?
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Paul Tosh.

To be fair though, even though he was joking (I think), speeding recklessly with kids in the car is wrong as well.

posted on 5/6/20

comment by Reddevilsdouble II (U22313)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
Criminal neglect. Of course the German is allegedly to blame, but he never would have got the chance if the parents had done the most fundamental duty as parents of a child. They played it so perfectly to get public sympathy that the police didn't want to do the right thing and charge them with neglect.
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You dont know if hed have still got her whilst the parents slept.
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The blame does shifty then though doesn't it? It's not a black and white case. That's clear,

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