comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 14 minutes ago
I believe we signed Lucas Perez for £17m and sold him for £4m.
Ox went to the last year of his contract and we were delighted to get £35m for him.
We sold Szczesny for £10m after 2 very good seasons at Roma on loan and interest in him was high.
The youngsters such as Gnabry, Bennacer, Jeff, who went for peanuts then moved on again for big money within a very short space of time. All the time Liverpool are selling Solanke, Ibe etc for big money.
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The last decent window we had was 2012 when we signed Santi, Monreal, Giroud and Podolski. Since then you can probably count on one hand the number of successful transfer we've made

What I argue with that this self-sustained philosophy doesnt work in a world where you compete with the oil money clubs that dont care about money.
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Liverpool - PL champions. CL holders.

comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 31 minutes ago
That's not how we operate though, the reason we were so attractive for Kroenke to buy was because we were a self sustaining, profitable club that can finance itself without him needing to put his own money in. He's using the club as an investment which is a valid criticism but the mismanagement of the club and all the flop transfers we've made since 2013 is nothing to do with him.


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Wont argue with this one.

What I argue with that this self-sustained philosophy doesnt work in a world where you compete with the oil money clubs that dont care about money.

You are right in saying we didnt do well with some transfer business. Paid too much on average players.

Same did Liverpool. They paid also for average players that soon left the club. What they also did is to buy over requirements in some positions.

We never did it under Kroenke. We had an injury crisis and had to buy Mustafi on horrendous money.
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Exactly, they all shelled out the money. We won't.

comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 5 seconds ago
What I argue with that this self-sustained philosophy doesnt work in a world where you compete with the oil money clubs that dont care about money.
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Liverpool - PL champions. CL holders.


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Yup.....later

comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 14 minutes ago
I believe we signed Lucas Perez for £17m and sold him for £4m.
Ox went to the last year of his contract and we were delighted to get £35m for him.
We sold Szczesny for £10m after 2 very good seasons at Roma on loan and interest in him was high.
The youngsters such as Gnabry, Bennacer, Jeff, who went for peanuts then moved on again for big money within a very short space of time. All the time Liverpool are selling Solanke, Ibe etc for big money.
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The last decent window we had was 2012 when we signed Santi, Monreal, Giroud and Podolski. Since then you can probably count on one hand the number of successful transfer we've made
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Would say 19-20 was alongside that - obviously still in the air, but Tierney and Martinelli are top signings on the cheap, and I think Pepe can have a good career. If Saliba comes close to the fan expectation then there is another great signing, so it is only luiz who looks poor business.

comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 14 minutes ago
I believe we signed Lucas Perez for £17m and sold him for £4m.
Ox went to the last year of his contract and we were delighted to get £35m for him.
We sold Szczesny for £10m after 2 very good seasons at Roma on loan and interest in him was high.
The youngsters such as Gnabry, Bennacer, Jeff, who went for peanuts then moved on again for big money within a very short space of time. All the time Liverpool are selling Solanke, Ibe etc for big money.
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The last decent window we had was 2012 when we signed Santi, Monreal, Giroud and Podolski. Since then you can probably count on one hand the number of successful transfer we've made
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Would say 19-20 was alongside that - obviously still in the air, but Tierney and Martinelli are top signings on the cheap, and I think Pepe can have a good career. If Saliba comes close to the fan expectation then there is another great signing, so it is only luiz who looks poor business.
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On top of that we finally got a good price for a sale - Iwobi for £35m

I really hope Kroenke let Arteta influcence of who we buy and who we sell in this transfer window.

If I am honest I dont believe in this.

comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 5 seconds ago
What I argue with that this self-sustained philosophy doesnt work in a world where you compete with the oil money clubs that dont care about money.
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Liverpool - PL champions. CL holders.


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Yup.....later
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What do you mean later? They are self-sustained and won all the top prizes ahead of the oil money clubs.

comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 5 seconds ago
What I argue with that this self-sustained philosophy doesnt work in a world where you compete with the oil money clubs that dont care about money.
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Liverpool - PL champions. CL holders.


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Yup.....later
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What do you mean later? They are self-sustained and won all the top prizes ahead of the oil money clubs.
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Their success came later on after some flops and they risk more in buying over requirements and they spend wisely as we all know.

So self sustained philosphy does work...

Or should I say, the self sustained philosphy can work.

comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 8 seconds ago
Or should I say, the self sustained philosphy can work.
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It can work but obviously not with Stan.

comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 33 seconds ago
What I argue with that this self-sustained philosophy doesnt work in a world where you compete with the oil money clubs that dont care about money.
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Liverpool - PL champions. CL holders.


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Well Pool have always been a good cup side regardless of their league form.

But 10 years of investment we never made at all, the 30 years it took to build that PL squad, neeever had anything to do with that did it?

comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 minute ago
Or should I say, the self sustained philosphy can work.
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When you don';t have a stack of money that is made by the club being poured into your stadium debt instead of purely into the team. Sure it can. Oh did you forget about that? All the money we put towards stadium debt that they put towards players?

comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 minute ago
Or should I say, the self sustained philosphy can work.
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When you don';t have a stack of money that is made by the club being poured into your stadium debt instead of purely into the team. Sure it can. Oh did you forget about that? All the money we put towards stadium debt that they put towards players?
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Yet our net spend is greater than theirs

And not just 5 year, but from 2003 to now.
You know, the year we were invincible to the season we ended 8th and they won the title.

comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 31 minutes ago
That's not how we operate though, the reason we were so attractive for Kroenke to buy was because we were a self sustaining, profitable club that can finance itself without him needing to put his own money in. He's using the club as an investment which is a valid criticism but the mismanagement of the club and all the flop transfers we've made since 2013 is nothing to do with him.


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Wont argue with this one.

What I argue with that this self-sustained philosophy doesnt work in a world where you compete with the oil money clubs that dont care about money.

You are right in saying we didnt do well with some transfer business. Paid too much on average players.

Same did Liverpool. They paid also for average players that soon left the club. What they also did is to buy over requirements in some positions.

We never did it under Kroenke. We had an injury crisis and had to buy Mustafi on horrendous money.
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We should be up there with the amount we've spent imo. yes it's easier with an oil money sugar daddy but even if you compare us to a club like Dortmund who find quality players for reasonable prices, why can't we do that?

In the last 5 years Arsenal have gone from 2nd to 8th.
Liverpool have gone from 8th to champions.

Difference in GROSS spend? Just £27m in favour of Liverpool.

However, from that squad only good enough to finish 8th, Liverpool have a net spend of £160m less than us, despite us coming from a situation where our squad was 2nd best in the league.

Strange.

Arsenal have been one of the biggest spenders on transfers and wages in the premier league for years. You’ve just spent it badly. Now obviously the owner needs to be questioned for allowing that incompetence to fester throughout the club for so long. But is hardly to blame for those actual decision being made by the people spending the money, and coaching the side, especially when they have a hands off approach to running the club.

Now obviously the owner needs to be questioned for allowing that incompetence to fester throughout the club for so long.
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100% - definitely a stick to beat Stan Kroenke with.

We discussed that already. We spend money yes and we made some mistakes. Liverpool began to spend money and made also mistakes. But what Liverpool did and we werent was that they invested in positions over requirements.

We never did that. We spend money when we needed too because of injuries and being short. And yes along Liverpool's way came some youngsters who pushed for the first team. We are right at the beginning to do so.

That's why we need to be more pro active and put all our faith in Arteta and let him have his TW.

comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 5 minutes ago
Now obviously the owner needs to be questioned for allowing that incompetence to fester throughout the club for so long.
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100% - definitely a stick to beat Stan Kroenke with.
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You’ll know better than me, but when did Kroenke really start to have huge influence at board level? I thought he only bought the club outright in 2018? Prior to that it’s more complicated.

Definitely more complicated, but I am sure he had enough influence to change things. There was too much trust in Wenger and Gazidas, it remains to be seen if that trust has gone to Raul as blindly.

That’s clearly been the biggest error at Arsenal. Wenger and Gazidis have put Arsenal in the mess they are in due to years of mismanagement.

The OP can talk about money all he likes but we don’t even need to speak about United, Liverpool, City and Chelsea when Spurs have become the best team in North London on a budget that doesn’t match Arsenal’s - and Leicester have finished above you twice.

comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 6 minutes ago
We discussed that already. We spend money yes and we made some mistakes. Liverpool began to spend money and made also mistakes. But what Liverpool did and we werent was that they invested in positions over requirements.

We never did that. We spend money when we needed too because of injuries and being short. And yes along Liverpool's way came some youngsters who pushed for the first team. We are right at the beginning to do so.

That's why we need to be more pro active and put all our faith in Arteta and let him have his TW.
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Every club makes mistakes, we made loads of mistakes and Liverpool made very few that's the difference. Since Klopp came in they buy the right players, apart from VVD and Alison (whichwas funded by Coutinho) most of their signings haven't been expensive.

Liverpool have bought well, and perhaps more importantly, sold well. Never mind Coutinho, they sold Solanke and Ibe for about £40m