comment by N2 (U22280)
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This is why we haven't and won't progress under Ole. He constantly changes the team and formation for opponents, just moving from one game to another being reactive instead of proactive. Then you see top managers today are first implementing a style, which serves then in the long run to build from.
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Precisely.
I don't know why some people are determined to misunderstand this very simple concept.
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So basically you are saying ole out
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It depends on what kind of manager/coach you think we need.
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With the hierarchical structures currently in place at the club whoever comes in to replace ole will most likely be doomed to the same fate
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Not true. Look what poch did for spurs with even less support from the board.
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We have tried every type of manager post fergie and they've all failed ultimately because of the incompetence of Ed and co.
Now if you want to go for a manager/coach whose won nothing but put together competitve squads on limited resources why go for poch when there are other similar candidates around Europe
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Why not go for Poch though?
He knows the PL inside out
Has taken Spurs (yes, Spurs) to a CL final
Is available so no compensation to pay
Wanted to sign Bruno so already has a player he knows will work under his style
We might finally post-SAF have a manager who gets us playing a high press which we’ve wanted to see for so long.
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Do you think this squad suits Potchs style Robb, or will we need to pump another £500m in?
Looking at the likes of Matic, Maguire, Lindelof, Pogba, Shaw, DDG, Martial, Greenwood, I don't think you have an 11 to press high.
comment by N2 (U22280)
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This is why we haven't and won't progress under Ole. He constantly changes the team and formation for opponents, just moving from one game to another being reactive instead of proactive. Then you see top managers today are first implementing a style, which serves then in the long run to build from.
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He was getting battered in July when we’d played 4-2-3-1 every week for months and failed to rotate any of the first XI.
"He was getting battered in July when we’d played 4-2-3-1 every week for months and failed to rotate any of the first XI"
Calls for the diamond formation to get the best out of Pogaba aren't new.
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I said he does make tweaks, but I also said he has a style of football. That's why he can afford to move players around, because the philosophy of how the team plays is basically the same. but you know what I am not going to go back and forth with you on this, if you want to believe Ole has a system and he's comparable to peop you go right ahead.
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I haven’t compared him to anyone. Your words, not mine.
This season he’s facked about a little too much for me. Doing so has worked in some cases (in Europe, obviously) and not in others (first half yesterday being a perfect example).
I’d also point out that people were absolutely crying out for him to try to cram as many midfielders into the side as possible, and to play DVB out of position, to play Brandon out of position...
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"He was getting battered in July when we’d played 4-2-3-1 every week for months and failed to rotate any of the first XI"
Calls for the diamond formation to get the best out of Pogaba aren't new.
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Yep. He didn’t do it last term, and we were the best team in the league from January until the end of the season.
Tried it yesterday, completely bombed.
Then people will blame him (fairly) whilst conveniently forgetting that they’d themselves been screaming for him to do it
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So basically you are saying ole out
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It depends on what kind of manager/coach you think we need.
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With the hierarchical structures currently in place at the club whoever comes in to replace ole will most likely be doomed to the same fate
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Not true. Look what poch did for spurs with even less support from the board.
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We have tried every type of manager post fergie and they've all failed ultimately because of the incompetence of Ed and co.
Now if you want to go for a manager/coach whose won nothing but put together competitve squads on limited resources why go for poch when there are other similar candidates around Europe
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Why not go for Poch though?
He knows the PL inside out
Has taken Spurs (yes, Spurs) to a CL final
Is available so no compensation to pay
Wanted to sign Bruno so already has a player he knows will work under his style
We might finally post-SAF have a manager who gets us playing a high press which we’ve wanted to see for so long.
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Do you think this squad suits Potchs style Robb, or will we need to pump another £500m in?
Looking at the likes of Matic, Maguire, Lindelof, Pogba, Shaw, DDG, Martial, Greenwood, I don't think you have an 11 to press high.
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I don’t know but I don’t think many of the players he inherited at Saints would have been what you’d think would be great at pressing but within a few months were the best in the league at it.
I doubt he needs to spend £500 million to make it happen. Players like Beeks, Bruno, Rash and Fred would be a good start to be proponents of what he’d ask for. Shaw has already thrived under him. I think he’d quite like Tuanzebe and Greenwood too. Not sure if Maguire would thrive but I’m sure managers with pressing sides have had Maguire style players and made it work.
I'm not sure that we are playing a diamond though. Our midfielders are so wide and spread out from each other.
We will see if Ole can take it forward and make it work. MY only gripe is that we should have a manager with a tried and tested philosophy not one that is reactive in his approach.
whether it would have made any difference yesterday who knows, but it would have seemed the easiest thing in the world to take the team from wednesday - which played well - and make a couple of changes, rashford for martial (enforced), and bruno for VDB.
instead the manager tried to get too cute by dropping matic, moving fred back (despite him being arguably the MOTM on wednesday), and bringing in mctominay (for a real post-halloween horror show). but somehow it's all pogba's fault.
the other oddity is tuanzebe, i get that he's been out for a while, and needs to be eased back in gently, but still curious that he can shine against PSG and then not be seen since.
Nothing wrong with tweaking, but the personnel shoed into that formation made no sense yesterday...
I said a couple of days ago that Ole and his team were no more than adequate tactically... Might have given them too much credit... Yesterday showed a complete lack of understanding of the opposition and the limitations of our players. McT was bad but most of the blame for that lies with the manager... WTF was he thinking!
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whether it would have made any difference yesterday who knows, but it would have seemed the easiest thing in the world to take the team from wednesday - which played well - and make a couple of changes, rashford for martial (enforced), and bruno for VDB.
instead the manager tried to get too cute by dropping matic, moving fred back (despite him being arguably the MOTM on wednesday), and bringing in mctominay (for a real post-halloween horror show). but somehow it's all pogba's fault.
the other oddity is tuanzebe, i get that he's been out for a while, and needs to be eased back in gently, but still curious that he can shine against PSG and then not be seen since.
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to be fair maguire and Lindelof havent done a great deal wrong since then either
He got it wrong yesterday, we lost 1-0 due a silly mistake from one of our key players.
It wasn't as bad as everybody is making out. All managers have bad days at the office.
Who knows, had Dean booked Gabriel a second time for an offence he booked others players for, all game, the pressure may have told.
Had he seen the pen on VAR again he may have had second thoughts.
Sometimes things go for you in tight games like these and yesterday they never.
Yep. He didn’t do it last term, and we were the best team in the league from January until the end of the season.
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Rosso, why do you keep repeating that false stat?
comment by Memphis_bleek #TeamOle (U20611)
posted 2 minutes ago
Nothing wrong with tweaking, but the personnel shoed into that formation made no sense yesterday...
I said a couple of days ago that Ole and his team were no more than adequate tactically... Might have given them too much credit... Yesterday showed a complete lack of understanding of the opposition and the limitations of our players. McT was bad but most of the blame for that lies with the manager... WTF was he thinking!
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playing a diamond with a player who is known to break up play the deepest point.. an energetic midfielder in mctominay alongside a player who wont work as hard but more likely to create in pogba.. and out most creative player at the tip...GOOD LORD WHAT WAS HE THINKING!!!!!
on paper that should have worked.. and looking at the match thread.. most agreed.. now that it didnt youre coming on here like nostrafeckingdamus
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posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
Bruno has been decent since his arrival. Pogba hasn't. Bruno tries, Pogba doesn't. Bruno talks about winning at our club, Pogba talks of playing for others.
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comment by N2 (U22280)
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This is why we haven't and won't progress under Ole. He constantly changes the team and formation for opponents, just moving from one game to another being reactive instead of proactive. Then you see top managers today are first implementing a style, which serves then in the long run to build from.
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He was getting battered in July when we’d played 4-2-3-1 every week for months and failed to rotate any of the first XI.
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Failing to use the squad is different from changing approach every game.
Anyway, the game today is about the 'ideological' coaches who implement a style that is used from game to game.
Then there's us, if we have a style it's counterattacking. But this is a reactive style that most teams will cancel out by defending deep.
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comment by Memphis_bleek #TeamOle (U20611)
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Nothing wrong with tweaking, but the personnel shoed into that formation made no sense yesterday...
I said a couple of days ago that Ole and his team were no more than adequate tactically... Might have given them too much credit... Yesterday showed a complete lack of understanding of the opposition and the limitations of our players. McT was bad but most of the blame for that lies with the manager... WTF was he thinking!
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playing a diamond with a player who is known to break up play the deepest point.. an energetic midfielder in mctominay alongside a player who wont work as hard but more likely to create in pogba.. and out most creative player at the tip...GOOD LORD WHAT WAS HE THINKING!!!!!
on paper that should have worked.. and looking at the match thread.. most agreed.. now that it didnt youre coming on here like nostrafeckingdamus
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Playing a diamond played right into Arteta’s hands. He countered it and we had no answer.
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Bruno has been decent since his arrival. Pogba hasn't. Bruno tries, Pogba doesn't. Bruno talks about winning at our club, Pogba talks of playing for others.
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This is why we haven't and won't progress under Ole. He constantly changes the team and formation for opponents, just moving from one game to another being reactive instead of proactive. Then you see top managers today are first implementing a style, which serves then in the long run to build from.
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He was getting battered in July when we’d played 4-2-3-1 every week for months and failed to rotate any of the first XI.
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Failing to use the squad is different from changing approach every game.
Anyway, the game today is about the 'ideological' coaches who implement a style that is used from game to game.
Then there's us, if we have a style it's counterattacking. But this is a reactive style that most teams will cancel out by defending deep.
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Ideologies that cost managers their jobs, of course. If you have only one way of playing and you do so to the death you end up like Bournemouth.
You have to mix it up. Liverpools style now compared to Klopps "heavy metal" football is much worse to watch, but it wins games.
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comment by Memphis_bleek #TeamOle (U20611)
posted 2 minutes ago
Nothing wrong with tweaking, but the personnel shoed into that formation made no sense yesterday...
I said a couple of days ago that Ole and his team were no more than adequate tactically... Might have given them too much credit... Yesterday showed a complete lack of understanding of the opposition and the limitations of our players. McT was bad but most of the blame for that lies with the manager... WTF was he thinking!
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playing a diamond with a player who is known to break up play the deepest point.. an energetic midfielder in mctominay alongside a player who wont work as hard but more likely to create in pogba.. and out most creative player at the tip...GOOD LORD WHAT WAS HE THINKING!!!!!
on paper that should have worked.. and looking at the match thread.. most agreed.. now that it didnt youre coming on here like nostrafeckingdamus
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Playing a diamond played right into Arteta’s hands. He countered it and we had no answer.
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you didnt even watch the fecking game Robb
what happened was Mctominay kept wandering out of position and we couldnt pass the ball more than 5 yards.
Pogba and fernandes lost the ball at nearly every given opportunity and freds passing was abysmal.
if you cant do the basics, which we clearly didnt, youre gonna struggle to get any grip on the game.
yes arsenal pressed high, but our ability to play the ball early and to one of our own players was what cost us
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comment by Memphis_bleek #TeamOle (U20611)
posted 2 minutes ago
Nothing wrong with tweaking, but the personnel shoed into that formation made no sense yesterday...
I said a couple of days ago that Ole and his team were no more than adequate tactically... Might have given them too much credit... Yesterday showed a complete lack of understanding of the opposition and the limitations of our players. McT was bad but most of the blame for that lies with the manager... WTF was he thinking!
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playing a diamond with a player who is known to break up play the deepest point.. an energetic midfielder in mctominay alongside a player who wont work as hard but more likely to create in pogba.. and out most creative player at the tip...GOOD LORD WHAT WAS HE THINKING!!!!!
on paper that should have worked.. and looking at the match thread.. most agreed.. now that it didnt youre coming on here like nostrafeckingdamus
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Clearly the people on the match thread had their heads in their arses!
The play was simple McT and Fred sitting in front of the back 4 and whatever combination of our creative mids/attackers ahead of them. It's not rocket science for God's sake. We do not have a DM that can hold on his own. How long can it take to figure this out...
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comment by Memphis_bleek #TeamOle (U20611)
posted 2 minutes ago
Nothing wrong with tweaking, but the personnel shoed into that formation made no sense yesterday...
I said a couple of days ago that Ole and his team were no more than adequate tactically... Might have given them too much credit... Yesterday showed a complete lack of understanding of the opposition and the limitations of our players. McT was bad but most of the blame for that lies with the manager... WTF was he thinking!
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playing a diamond with a player who is known to break up play the deepest point.. an energetic midfielder in mctominay alongside a player who wont work as hard but more likely to create in pogba.. and out most creative player at the tip...GOOD LORD WHAT WAS HE THINKING!!!!!
on paper that should have worked.. and looking at the match thread.. most agreed.. now that it didnt youre coming on here like nostrafeckingdamus
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Playing a diamond played right into Arteta’s hands. He countered it and we had no answer.
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you didnt even watch the fecking game Robb
what happened was Mctominay kept wandering out of position and we couldnt pass the ball more than 5 yards.
Pogba and fernandes lost the ball at nearly every given opportunity and freds passing was abysmal.
if you cant do the basics, which we clearly didnt, youre gonna struggle to get any grip on the game.
yes arsenal pressed high, but our ability to play the ball early and to one of our own players was what cost us
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Maybe read what Gary Neville said about the diamond. No offence Drunk, I’ll listen to his view over yours. We don’t have the full backs to make the diamond work in most games.
Yup.
There was greater cack on the park than either pogba or Fernandes - even though both were not at their best.
Which demonstrates the depth of the club's problems.
In days of yore, if two or three players were 'off' on the day, then that would be readily covered.
But the likes of lindelof, AWB, rashford, mctominay or Greenwood just do not have it in their capacity to rise above ordinary - despite what the fanatics think. They cannot, therefore, be expected to cover form dips in the good uns.
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Bruno has been decent since his arrival. Pogba hasn't. Bruno tries, Pogba doesn't. Bruno talks about winning at our club, Pogba talks of playing for others.
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This
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Bruno and Pogba have both been largely poor since the start of the season. I only ask that people keep the same energy for both players.
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Bruno has numerous assists and goals since the start of the season. Pogba has feck all and flirted with other clubs and given away 3 pens in his last 6 starts. He can feck off. Not anywhere near Brunos level
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posted on 2/11/20
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 28 seconds ago
This is why we haven't and won't progress under Ole. He constantly changes the team and formation for opponents, just moving from one game to another being reactive instead of proactive. Then you see top managers today are first implementing a style, which serves then in the long run to build from.
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Precisely.
I don't know why some people are determined to misunderstand this very simple concept.
posted on 2/11/20
comment by Robb Thee Rashford (U22311)
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So basically you are saying ole out
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It depends on what kind of manager/coach you think we need.
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With the hierarchical structures currently in place at the club whoever comes in to replace ole will most likely be doomed to the same fate
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Not true. Look what poch did for spurs with even less support from the board.
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We have tried every type of manager post fergie and they've all failed ultimately because of the incompetence of Ed and co.
Now if you want to go for a manager/coach whose won nothing but put together competitve squads on limited resources why go for poch when there are other similar candidates around Europe
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Why not go for Poch though?
He knows the PL inside out
Has taken Spurs (yes, Spurs) to a CL final
Is available so no compensation to pay
Wanted to sign Bruno so already has a player he knows will work under his style
We might finally post-SAF have a manager who gets us playing a high press which we’ve wanted to see for so long.
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Do you think this squad suits Potchs style Robb, or will we need to pump another £500m in?
Looking at the likes of Matic, Maguire, Lindelof, Pogba, Shaw, DDG, Martial, Greenwood, I don't think you have an 11 to press high.
posted on 2/11/20
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 3 minutes ago
This is why we haven't and won't progress under Ole. He constantly changes the team and formation for opponents, just moving from one game to another being reactive instead of proactive. Then you see top managers today are first implementing a style, which serves then in the long run to build from.
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He was getting battered in July when we’d played 4-2-3-1 every week for months and failed to rotate any of the first XI.
posted on 2/11/20
"He was getting battered in July when we’d played 4-2-3-1 every week for months and failed to rotate any of the first XI"
Calls for the diamond formation to get the best out of Pogaba aren't new.
posted on 2/11/20
comment by The Gentleman Entrepreneur (U13709)
posted 3 minutes ago
I said he does make tweaks, but I also said he has a style of football. That's why he can afford to move players around, because the philosophy of how the team plays is basically the same. but you know what I am not going to go back and forth with you on this, if you want to believe Ole has a system and he's comparable to peop you go right ahead.
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I haven’t compared him to anyone. Your words, not mine.
This season he’s facked about a little too much for me. Doing so has worked in some cases (in Europe, obviously) and not in others (first half yesterday being a perfect example).
I’d also point out that people were absolutely crying out for him to try to cram as many midfielders into the side as possible, and to play DVB out of position, to play Brandon out of position...
posted on 2/11/20
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 3 minutes ago
"He was getting battered in July when we’d played 4-2-3-1 every week for months and failed to rotate any of the first XI"
Calls for the diamond formation to get the best out of Pogaba aren't new.
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Yep. He didn’t do it last term, and we were the best team in the league from January until the end of the season.
Tried it yesterday, completely bombed.
Then people will blame him (fairly) whilst conveniently forgetting that they’d themselves been screaming for him to do it
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So basically you are saying ole out
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It depends on what kind of manager/coach you think we need.
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With the hierarchical structures currently in place at the club whoever comes in to replace ole will most likely be doomed to the same fate
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Not true. Look what poch did for spurs with even less support from the board.
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We have tried every type of manager post fergie and they've all failed ultimately because of the incompetence of Ed and co.
Now if you want to go for a manager/coach whose won nothing but put together competitve squads on limited resources why go for poch when there are other similar candidates around Europe
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Why not go for Poch though?
He knows the PL inside out
Has taken Spurs (yes, Spurs) to a CL final
Is available so no compensation to pay
Wanted to sign Bruno so already has a player he knows will work under his style
We might finally post-SAF have a manager who gets us playing a high press which we’ve wanted to see for so long.
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Do you think this squad suits Potchs style Robb, or will we need to pump another £500m in?
Looking at the likes of Matic, Maguire, Lindelof, Pogba, Shaw, DDG, Martial, Greenwood, I don't think you have an 11 to press high.
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I don’t know but I don’t think many of the players he inherited at Saints would have been what you’d think would be great at pressing but within a few months were the best in the league at it.
I doubt he needs to spend £500 million to make it happen. Players like Beeks, Bruno, Rash and Fred would be a good start to be proponents of what he’d ask for. Shaw has already thrived under him. I think he’d quite like Tuanzebe and Greenwood too. Not sure if Maguire would thrive but I’m sure managers with pressing sides have had Maguire style players and made it work.
posted on 2/11/20
I'm not sure that we are playing a diamond though. Our midfielders are so wide and spread out from each other.
We will see if Ole can take it forward and make it work. MY only gripe is that we should have a manager with a tried and tested philosophy not one that is reactive in his approach.
posted on 2/11/20
whether it would have made any difference yesterday who knows, but it would have seemed the easiest thing in the world to take the team from wednesday - which played well - and make a couple of changes, rashford for martial (enforced), and bruno for VDB.
instead the manager tried to get too cute by dropping matic, moving fred back (despite him being arguably the MOTM on wednesday), and bringing in mctominay (for a real post-halloween horror show). but somehow it's all pogba's fault.
the other oddity is tuanzebe, i get that he's been out for a while, and needs to be eased back in gently, but still curious that he can shine against PSG and then not be seen since.
posted on 2/11/20
Nothing wrong with tweaking, but the personnel shoed into that formation made no sense yesterday...
I said a couple of days ago that Ole and his team were no more than adequate tactically... Might have given them too much credit... Yesterday showed a complete lack of understanding of the opposition and the limitations of our players. McT was bad but most of the blame for that lies with the manager... WTF was he thinking!
posted on 2/11/20
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 30 seconds ago
whether it would have made any difference yesterday who knows, but it would have seemed the easiest thing in the world to take the team from wednesday - which played well - and make a couple of changes, rashford for martial (enforced), and bruno for VDB.
instead the manager tried to get too cute by dropping matic, moving fred back (despite him being arguably the MOTM on wednesday), and bringing in mctominay (for a real post-halloween horror show). but somehow it's all pogba's fault.
the other oddity is tuanzebe, i get that he's been out for a while, and needs to be eased back in gently, but still curious that he can shine against PSG and then not be seen since.
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to be fair maguire and Lindelof havent done a great deal wrong since then either
posted on 2/11/20
He got it wrong yesterday, we lost 1-0 due a silly mistake from one of our key players.
It wasn't as bad as everybody is making out. All managers have bad days at the office.
Who knows, had Dean booked Gabriel a second time for an offence he booked others players for, all game, the pressure may have told.
Had he seen the pen on VAR again he may have had second thoughts.
Sometimes things go for you in tight games like these and yesterday they never.
posted on 2/11/20
Yep. He didn’t do it last term, and we were the best team in the league from January until the end of the season.
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Rosso, why do you keep repeating that false stat?
posted on 2/11/20
comment by Memphis_bleek #TeamOle (U20611)
posted 2 minutes ago
Nothing wrong with tweaking, but the personnel shoed into that formation made no sense yesterday...
I said a couple of days ago that Ole and his team were no more than adequate tactically... Might have given them too much credit... Yesterday showed a complete lack of understanding of the opposition and the limitations of our players. McT was bad but most of the blame for that lies with the manager... WTF was he thinking!
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playing a diamond with a player who is known to break up play the deepest point.. an energetic midfielder in mctominay alongside a player who wont work as hard but more likely to create in pogba.. and out most creative player at the tip...GOOD LORD WHAT WAS HE THINKING!!!!!
on paper that should have worked.. and looking at the match thread.. most agreed.. now that it didnt youre coming on here like nostrafeckingdamus
posted on 2/11/20
comment by Juan Matador (U17834)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
Bruno has been decent since his arrival. Pogba hasn't. Bruno tries, Pogba doesn't. Bruno talks about winning at our club, Pogba talks of playing for others.
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posted on 2/11/20
comment by rosso - it’s not good enough to be right; you have to be effective (U17054)
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comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 3 minutes ago
This is why we haven't and won't progress under Ole. He constantly changes the team and formation for opponents, just moving from one game to another being reactive instead of proactive. Then you see top managers today are first implementing a style, which serves then in the long run to build from.
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He was getting battered in July when we’d played 4-2-3-1 every week for months and failed to rotate any of the first XI.
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Failing to use the squad is different from changing approach every game.
Anyway, the game today is about the 'ideological' coaches who implement a style that is used from game to game.
Then there's us, if we have a style it's counterattacking. But this is a reactive style that most teams will cancel out by defending deep.
posted on 2/11/20
comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must follow ole (U11713)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Memphis_bleek #TeamOle (U20611)
posted 2 minutes ago
Nothing wrong with tweaking, but the personnel shoed into that formation made no sense yesterday...
I said a couple of days ago that Ole and his team were no more than adequate tactically... Might have given them too much credit... Yesterday showed a complete lack of understanding of the opposition and the limitations of our players. McT was bad but most of the blame for that lies with the manager... WTF was he thinking!
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playing a diamond with a player who is known to break up play the deepest point.. an energetic midfielder in mctominay alongside a player who wont work as hard but more likely to create in pogba.. and out most creative player at the tip...GOOD LORD WHAT WAS HE THINKING!!!!!
on paper that should have worked.. and looking at the match thread.. most agreed.. now that it didnt youre coming on here like nostrafeckingdamus
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Playing a diamond played right into Arteta’s hands. He countered it and we had no answer.
posted on 2/11/20
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by Juan Matador (U17834)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
Bruno has been decent since his arrival. Pogba hasn't. Bruno tries, Pogba doesn't. Bruno talks about winning at our club, Pogba talks of playing for others.
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Think most of us are on this page now.
posted on 2/11/20
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by rosso - it’s not good enough to be right; you have to be effective (U17054)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 3 minutes ago
This is why we haven't and won't progress under Ole. He constantly changes the team and formation for opponents, just moving from one game to another being reactive instead of proactive. Then you see top managers today are first implementing a style, which serves then in the long run to build from.
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He was getting battered in July when we’d played 4-2-3-1 every week for months and failed to rotate any of the first XI.
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Failing to use the squad is different from changing approach every game.
Anyway, the game today is about the 'ideological' coaches who implement a style that is used from game to game.
Then there's us, if we have a style it's counterattacking. But this is a reactive style that most teams will cancel out by defending deep.
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Ideologies that cost managers their jobs, of course. If you have only one way of playing and you do so to the death you end up like Bournemouth.
You have to mix it up. Liverpools style now compared to Klopps "heavy metal" football is much worse to watch, but it wins games.
posted on 2/11/20
comment by Robb Thee Rashford (U22311)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must follow ole (U11713)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Memphis_bleek #TeamOle (U20611)
posted 2 minutes ago
Nothing wrong with tweaking, but the personnel shoed into that formation made no sense yesterday...
I said a couple of days ago that Ole and his team were no more than adequate tactically... Might have given them too much credit... Yesterday showed a complete lack of understanding of the opposition and the limitations of our players. McT was bad but most of the blame for that lies with the manager... WTF was he thinking!
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playing a diamond with a player who is known to break up play the deepest point.. an energetic midfielder in mctominay alongside a player who wont work as hard but more likely to create in pogba.. and out most creative player at the tip...GOOD LORD WHAT WAS HE THINKING!!!!!
on paper that should have worked.. and looking at the match thread.. most agreed.. now that it didnt youre coming on here like nostrafeckingdamus
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Playing a diamond played right into Arteta’s hands. He countered it and we had no answer.
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you didnt even watch the fecking game Robb
what happened was Mctominay kept wandering out of position and we couldnt pass the ball more than 5 yards.
Pogba and fernandes lost the ball at nearly every given opportunity and freds passing was abysmal.
if you cant do the basics, which we clearly didnt, youre gonna struggle to get any grip on the game.
yes arsenal pressed high, but our ability to play the ball early and to one of our own players was what cost us
posted on 2/11/20
Ole is crap. Simples
posted on 2/11/20
comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must follow ole (U11713)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Memphis_bleek #TeamOle (U20611)
posted 2 minutes ago
Nothing wrong with tweaking, but the personnel shoed into that formation made no sense yesterday...
I said a couple of days ago that Ole and his team were no more than adequate tactically... Might have given them too much credit... Yesterday showed a complete lack of understanding of the opposition and the limitations of our players. McT was bad but most of the blame for that lies with the manager... WTF was he thinking!
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playing a diamond with a player who is known to break up play the deepest point.. an energetic midfielder in mctominay alongside a player who wont work as hard but more likely to create in pogba.. and out most creative player at the tip...GOOD LORD WHAT WAS HE THINKING!!!!!
on paper that should have worked.. and looking at the match thread.. most agreed.. now that it didnt youre coming on here like nostrafeckingdamus
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Clearly the people on the match thread had their heads in their arses!
The play was simple McT and Fred sitting in front of the back 4 and whatever combination of our creative mids/attackers ahead of them. It's not rocket science for God's sake. We do not have a DM that can hold on his own. How long can it take to figure this out...
posted on 2/11/20
comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must follow ole (U11713)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Robb Thee Rashford (U22311)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must follow ole (U11713)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Memphis_bleek #TeamOle (U20611)
posted 2 minutes ago
Nothing wrong with tweaking, but the personnel shoed into that formation made no sense yesterday...
I said a couple of days ago that Ole and his team were no more than adequate tactically... Might have given them too much credit... Yesterday showed a complete lack of understanding of the opposition and the limitations of our players. McT was bad but most of the blame for that lies with the manager... WTF was he thinking!
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playing a diamond with a player who is known to break up play the deepest point.. an energetic midfielder in mctominay alongside a player who wont work as hard but more likely to create in pogba.. and out most creative player at the tip...GOOD LORD WHAT WAS HE THINKING!!!!!
on paper that should have worked.. and looking at the match thread.. most agreed.. now that it didnt youre coming on here like nostrafeckingdamus
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Playing a diamond played right into Arteta’s hands. He countered it and we had no answer.
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you didnt even watch the fecking game Robb
what happened was Mctominay kept wandering out of position and we couldnt pass the ball more than 5 yards.
Pogba and fernandes lost the ball at nearly every given opportunity and freds passing was abysmal.
if you cant do the basics, which we clearly didnt, youre gonna struggle to get any grip on the game.
yes arsenal pressed high, but our ability to play the ball early and to one of our own players was what cost us
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Maybe read what Gary Neville said about the diamond. No offence Drunk, I’ll listen to his view over yours. We don’t have the full backs to make the diamond work in most games.
posted on 2/11/20
Yup.
There was greater cack on the park than either pogba or Fernandes - even though both were not at their best.
Which demonstrates the depth of the club's problems.
In days of yore, if two or three players were 'off' on the day, then that would be readily covered.
But the likes of lindelof, AWB, rashford, mctominay or Greenwood just do not have it in their capacity to rise above ordinary - despite what the fanatics think. They cannot, therefore, be expected to cover form dips in the good uns.
posted on 2/11/20
comment by The Gentleman Entrepreneur (U13709)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Juan Matador (U17834)
posted 17 minutes ago
Bruno has been decent since his arrival. Pogba hasn't. Bruno tries, Pogba doesn't. Bruno talks about winning at our club, Pogba talks of playing for others.
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This
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Bruno and Pogba have both been largely poor since the start of the season. I only ask that people keep the same energy for both players.
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Bruno has numerous assists and goals since the start of the season. Pogba has feck all and flirted with other clubs and given away 3 pens in his last 6 starts. He can feck off. Not anywhere near Brunos level
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