comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by rosso - it’s not good enough to be right; you have to be effective (U17054)
posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
California: ambulances being turned away from hospitals and patients being treated in tents in car parks. Districts with 0% ICU capacity. San Diego morgue overflowing.
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-12-29/l-a-county-hospitals-at-the-breaking-point-turn-away-ambulances
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/26/world/central-and-southern-california-icu-capacity.html
Mexico City: hospitals already ‘at the limit’ and healthcare system on track to ‘collapse’.
https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/coronavirus/study-predicts-january-covid-cases-will-collapse-hospital-system-in-mexico-city/
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-mexico-vaccine-idUSKBN28X1MZ
Russia: COVID patients waiting *days* for ambulances and admission, dying at home. Putin orders emergency vaccination rollout before phase 3 trials and approval in desperate attempt to control virus.
https://www.ft.com/content/47cdc1a7-e6f2-4dc3-b83f-a212b42d0235
South Africa: families told to bury their relatives as morgues full. Waiting rooms converted to wards. “No oxygen points. Private hospitals are full. Not accepting more patients. No beds anywhere.”
https://www.africanews.com/2020/12/29/south-africa-s-hospitals-are-overwhelmed-as-covid-19-cases-spike/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/south-africa-plunged-lockdown-covid-19-cases-soar/
Indonesia: hospitals beyond capacity, patients dying waiting for intensive care beds.
https://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2020/12/30/in-critical-condition-hospitals-struggle-to-decide-who-gets-into-icu.html
UK: London and Essex hospitals at capacity, rationing oxygen. ICUs at 110% in London with patients being transported out of the capital. “Things are really, really, really bad” say doctors.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-30/new-covid-19-strain-puts-growing-pressure-on-u-k-hospitals
#sensationalism
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It is sensationalism
Choosing what to report.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/12/29/how-can-california-have-0-icu-capacity-and-1300-available-icu-beds/
0% capacity yet plenty of open beds in California....hmm?
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This is in your own link Jim, ffs:
“Since Dec. 17, four regions, home to 98% of the state’s population, have been under the Regional Stay Home Order [as ICUs are at over 85% capacity]. The only region that has not dropped below 15% is the sparsely populated Northern California region, which had 29% ICU availability as of Monday.”
That was at 17 December.
The reason why the 0% figure is being reported is that some hospitals are *beyond* 100% capacity (up to 200% at present).
Every hospital has a certain number of intensive care beds that are licensed by the state. The state licenses intensive care beds and hospitals have to have the staff and the equipment for that bed to be deemed appropriate for intensive care.
Hospitals also have ‘surge capacity’ where they put patients if they run out of room with these licensed ICU beds.
What a hospital reporting 0% (or less than 0%) capacity means is that they have used up all of their licensed beds, and they are now into this surge capacity.
At hospitals in South California, they are doubling up patients in rooms, and they have patients in the emergency room that staff are desperately trying to provide with intensive levels of care outside the ICU.
0% capacity across the region means that there are more patients in hospitals in need of intensive care treatment than there are ICU beds across the state. Even if you spread the number of patients requiring ICU care across the state, there wouldn’t be enough beds available.
That’s why California Department of Public Health is saying that there is 0% availability for ICU beds in the entire state.
More patients than beds in the fifth largest economy in the world.
#sensationalism
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 9 minutes ago
As someone who lives in California I can tell you that we all find the reporting of our crisis beyond strange.
Ten days ago a buddy of mine broke his forearm and I drove him to A&E, was half deserted, the previous night that same hospital was reported on NNC Bay Area of needing to turn ambulances away...
But California is probably the single biggest piece of evidence that lockdowns do not work.
Political reasons or not we locked down first and the hardest in March, we briefly rolled back partially (best we could do was eat outside) for a few weeks then straight back in to shelter in place.
Our cases just go up and up and up. The red states or slightly less blue states that locked down for shorter times or not at all that have far greater population density are all doing significantly better than the state that was the poster child for handling the virus a few months back.
Would love Rosso or Dave to explain how that’s possible given their fervent belief that the only way to deal with this is to keep people out of work, out of school and locked up
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I haven’t said that. That’s just a barefaced lie.
“The state determines a region’s ICU capacity with a weighted formula to ensure that some ICU beds remain open for non-COVID patients. When the state says a region has reached 0%, it will actually still have some beds available. “
So they could have 5000 ICU beds and plan to have 1000 available for covid, if those 1000 are full and the other 4000 are empty they will lead with
“0% ICU CAPACITY - CRISIS”
and fail to explain after the headline that actually they’ve got a few more covid patients than planned but the rest of the hospital is actually under capacity.
That’s sensationalism.
Of course Lockdowns don't work, we have morons like Jim Lahey telling anyone that will listen that it's all nonsense and just going about their business
Explain how it’s worked in California then ?
I just did. Too many morons
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 32 minutes ago
“The state determines a region’s ICU capacity with a weighted formula to ensure that some ICU beds remain open for non-COVID patients. When the state says a region has reached 0%, it will actually still have some beds available. “
So they could have 5000 ICU beds and plan to have 1000 available for covid, if those 1000 are full and the other 4000 are empty they will lead with
“0% ICU CAPACITY - CRISIS”
and fail to explain after the headline that actually they’ve got a few more covid patients than planned but the rest of the hospital is actually under capacity.
That’s sensationalism.
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Again, your own link states that:
“the situation has grown so dire in Los Angeles that some hospitals are turning away ambulances and running short on oxygen supplies”
Do you not find that intensely troubling in one of the richest cities in the world?
Does that not suggest to you that we should be taking the situation very, very seriously indeed and trying to do our collective best to minimise transmission?
Jim, I’m sorry if the distancing-related public health measures we’ve seen implemented in just about every country in the world - measures recommended by the vast majority of epidemiologists, public health experts, and healthcare administrators based on reams and reams of academic evidence - have damaged your business or employment opportunities, have impacted your mental health, or have otherwise adversely impacted you or your family. I sincerely hope that that isn’t the case, and if it is, I hope 2021 is a better year for you and everyone else.
But if we’d have - if we do - let this virus spread uncontrolled, you can forget about keeping hospitals staffed, you can forget *any* outpatient treatment, including cancer and diabetes care, you can forget about emergency medicine, and you can forget about harvesting and transporting food between and across nations.
You can look forward to spiralling healthcare costs for every nation after the phenomenally tragic mess that would unfold is cleaned up as the impacts of millions of cases of long COVID are dealt with. It’d just be catastrophic.
We are already still in a serious mess *despite* the social distancing measures in place. It doesn’t need to get any worse than this.
I hope you’re smart enough to be staying safe and to be keeping your family, friends, and any co-workers or customers safe too, and I hope you don’t have to deal with anyone close to you losing their life unnecessarily because they miscalculate the value of a trip to their local bar or attendance at a party.
If his last article is anything to go by, he’s really not smart enough.
Jim banned, waaay overdue.
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posted 50 seconds ago
Jim banned, waaay overdue.
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I’m assuming that’s a result of the Pfizer vaccine article
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But if we’d have - if we do - let this virus spread uncontrolled, you can forget about keeping hospitals staffed, you can forget *any* outpatient treatment, including cancer and diabetes care, you can forget about emergency medicine, and you can forget about harvesting and transporting food between and across nations.
You can look forward to spiralling healthcare costs for every nation after the phenomenally tragic mess that would unfold is cleaned up as the impacts of millions of cases of long COVID are dealt with. It’d just be catastrophic.
We are already still in a serious mess *despite* the social distancing measures in place. It doesn’t need to get any worse than this.
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I don't get why people don't get this.
Jim is a great example of what is wrong with today's world.
he still didn't answer my question.
comment by Shinjury list (U1700)
posted 7 hours, 56 minutes ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 3 hours, 5 minutes ago
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 12 hours, 2 minutes ago
Sigh
Someone posts asking why this (pl cases) is being sensationalised.
I merely point out all covid cases are sensationalised and the reason why, back up my point with proof, explain it for simpletons even like you Dave and you can’t wrap your brain around it.
Quite sad really.
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I'm not sure if this is a great idea, but why are they sensationalising cases in your opinion? I've read through your posts and I can't find this reason you claim to have given. Why would the government/PL/mass media make this pandemic seem worse than it is?
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Ask yourself why the Merseyside police/Govt. would cover up the Hillsborough tragedy?
Ask yourself why the BBC/Police/Govt. would cover up the Jimmy Saville and friends paedo tragedy?
Ask yourself why the Church/Govt/Teachers/people in charge at the time would brainwash us all into believing our creator - who gave us the ability to sin, so he could hold us to account and punish us when he did - and if we didn’t submit to his will, he would banish us to hell fire for eternity?
Ask yourself why the police/Govt. we’re afraid to be racist when they buried the grooming gangs’ crimes?
Ask yourself why, potentially, Thatcher made the threat of the Belgrano seem worse to further her election campaign?
Why has Prince Andrew not been arrested for his complicity during the Epstein crimes?
I’m sure others could add more, but if you need to ask why the govt would do something that doesn’t stack up, I suggest you get off the train.
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All interesting yet completely irrelevant. Thanks, though.
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Shinjury list (U1700)
posted 7 hours, 56 minutes ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 3 hours, 5 minutes ago
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 12 hours, 2 minutes ago
Sigh
Someone posts asking why this (pl cases) is being sensationalised.
I merely point out all covid cases are sensationalised and the reason why, back up my point with proof, explain it for simpletons even like you Dave and you can’t wrap your brain around it.
Quite sad really.
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I'm not sure if this is a great idea, but why are they sensationalising cases in your opinion? I've read through your posts and I can't find this reason you claim to have given. Why would the government/PL/mass media make this pandemic seem worse than it is?
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Ask yourself why the Merseyside police/Govt. would cover up the Hillsborough tragedy?
Ask yourself why the BBC/Police/Govt. would cover up the Jimmy Saville and friends paedo tragedy?
Ask yourself why the Church/Govt/Teachers/people in charge at the time would brainwash us all into believing our creator - who gave us the ability to sin, so he could hold us to account and punish us when he did - and if we didn’t submit to his will, he would banish us to hell fire for eternity?
Ask yourself why the police/Govt. we’re afraid to be racist when they buried the grooming gangs’ crimes?
Ask yourself why, potentially, Thatcher made the threat of the Belgrano seem worse to further her election campaign?
Why has Prince Andrew not been arrested for his complicity during the Epstein crimes?
I’m sure others could add more, but if you need to ask why the govt would do something that doesn’t stack up, I suggest you get off the train.
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All interesting yet completely irrelevant. Thanks, though.
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Yeah that lot has gone clean over my head
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comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 15 hours, 50 minutes ago
comment by Shinjury list (U1700)
posted 7 hours, 56 minutes ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 3 hours, 5 minutes ago
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 12 hours, 2 minutes ago
Sigh
Someone posts asking why this (pl cases) is being sensationalised.
I merely point out all covid cases are sensationalised and the reason why, back up my point with proof, explain it for simpletons even like you Dave and you can’t wrap your brain around it.
Quite sad really.
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I'm not sure if this is a great idea, but why are they sensationalising cases in your opinion? I've read through your posts and I can't find this reason you claim to have given. Why would the government/PL/mass media make this pandemic seem worse than it is?
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Ask yourself why the Merseyside police/Govt. would cover up the Hillsborough tragedy?
Ask yourself why the BBC/Police/Govt. would cover up the Jimmy Saville and friends paedo tragedy?
Ask yourself why the Church/Govt/Teachers/people in charge at the time would brainwash us all into believing our creator - who gave us the ability to sin, so he could hold us to account and punish us when he did - and if we didn’t submit to his will, he would banish us to hell fire for eternity?
Ask yourself why the police/Govt. we’re afraid to be racist when they buried the grooming gangs’ crimes?
Ask yourself why, potentially, Thatcher made the threat of the Belgrano seem worse to further her election campaign?
Why has Prince Andrew not been arrested for his complicity during the Epstein crimes?
I’m sure others could add more, but if you need to ask why the govt would do something that doesn’t stack up, I suggest you get off the train.
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All interesting yet completely irrelevant. Thanks, though.
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You asked why the govt. would have an agenda - as if they are squeaky clean.
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comment by Shinjury list (U1700)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 15 hours, 50 minutes ago
comment by Shinjury list (U1700)
posted 7 hours, 56 minutes ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 3 hours, 5 minutes ago
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 12 hours, 2 minutes ago
Sigh
Someone posts asking why this (pl cases) is being sensationalised.
I merely point out all covid cases are sensationalised and the reason why, back up my point with proof, explain it for simpletons even like you Dave and you can’t wrap your brain around it.
Quite sad really.
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I'm not sure if this is a great idea, but why are they sensationalising cases in your opinion? I've read through your posts and I can't find this reason you claim to have given. Why would the government/PL/mass media make this pandemic seem worse than it is?
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Ask yourself why the Merseyside police/Govt. would cover up the Hillsborough tragedy?
Ask yourself why the BBC/Police/Govt. would cover up the Jimmy Saville and friends paedo tragedy?
Ask yourself why the Church/Govt/Teachers/people in charge at the time would brainwash us all into believing our creator - who gave us the ability to sin, so he could hold us to account and punish us when he did - and if we didn’t submit to his will, he would banish us to hell fire for eternity?
Ask yourself why the police/Govt. we’re afraid to be racist when they buried the grooming gangs’ crimes?
Ask yourself why, potentially, Thatcher made the threat of the Belgrano seem worse to further her election campaign?
Why has Prince Andrew not been arrested for his complicity during the Epstein crimes?
I’m sure others could add more, but if you need to ask why the govt would do something that doesn’t stack up, I suggest you get off the train.
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All interesting yet completely irrelevant. Thanks, though.
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You asked why the govt. would have an agenda - as if they are squeaky clean.
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No. I asked Jim his opinion of why they are making the pandemic seem worse than it is.
I understand that the government lies to us regularly. I was just interested to learn what, in this specific case, the motive was in his opinion. Because I see this on social media and there doesn't seem to be a consistent theory. Sometimes it's a financial 'reset', other times it's a vague reference to 'control' or the New World Order.. there could be a bunch of reasons why they'd do it to be fair. I'm open to the possibility.
Though I think it's also worth noting there's a good chance they (the UK govt anyway) have downplayed the virus at various times, especially early on, leading them to having to overplay it later to make up for their mistakes, and double down to make up for their terrible communication and leadership over the whole thing. Either way you want to look at it it's a facking shambles from start to finish.
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posted on 30/12/20
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by rosso - it’s not good enough to be right; you have to be effective (U17054)
posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
California: ambulances being turned away from hospitals and patients being treated in tents in car parks. Districts with 0% ICU capacity. San Diego morgue overflowing.
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-12-29/l-a-county-hospitals-at-the-breaking-point-turn-away-ambulances
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/26/world/central-and-southern-california-icu-capacity.html
Mexico City: hospitals already ‘at the limit’ and healthcare system on track to ‘collapse’.
https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/coronavirus/study-predicts-january-covid-cases-will-collapse-hospital-system-in-mexico-city/
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-mexico-vaccine-idUSKBN28X1MZ
Russia: COVID patients waiting *days* for ambulances and admission, dying at home. Putin orders emergency vaccination rollout before phase 3 trials and approval in desperate attempt to control virus.
https://www.ft.com/content/47cdc1a7-e6f2-4dc3-b83f-a212b42d0235
South Africa: families told to bury their relatives as morgues full. Waiting rooms converted to wards. “No oxygen points. Private hospitals are full. Not accepting more patients. No beds anywhere.”
https://www.africanews.com/2020/12/29/south-africa-s-hospitals-are-overwhelmed-as-covid-19-cases-spike/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/south-africa-plunged-lockdown-covid-19-cases-soar/
Indonesia: hospitals beyond capacity, patients dying waiting for intensive care beds.
https://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2020/12/30/in-critical-condition-hospitals-struggle-to-decide-who-gets-into-icu.html
UK: London and Essex hospitals at capacity, rationing oxygen. ICUs at 110% in London with patients being transported out of the capital. “Things are really, really, really bad” say doctors.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-30/new-covid-19-strain-puts-growing-pressure-on-u-k-hospitals
#sensationalism
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It is sensationalism
Choosing what to report.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/12/29/how-can-california-have-0-icu-capacity-and-1300-available-icu-beds/
0% capacity yet plenty of open beds in California....hmm?
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This is in your own link Jim, ffs:
“Since Dec. 17, four regions, home to 98% of the state’s population, have been under the Regional Stay Home Order [as ICUs are at over 85% capacity]. The only region that has not dropped below 15% is the sparsely populated Northern California region, which had 29% ICU availability as of Monday.”
That was at 17 December.
The reason why the 0% figure is being reported is that some hospitals are *beyond* 100% capacity (up to 200% at present).
Every hospital has a certain number of intensive care beds that are licensed by the state. The state licenses intensive care beds and hospitals have to have the staff and the equipment for that bed to be deemed appropriate for intensive care.
Hospitals also have ‘surge capacity’ where they put patients if they run out of room with these licensed ICU beds.
What a hospital reporting 0% (or less than 0%) capacity means is that they have used up all of their licensed beds, and they are now into this surge capacity.
At hospitals in South California, they are doubling up patients in rooms, and they have patients in the emergency room that staff are desperately trying to provide with intensive levels of care outside the ICU.
0% capacity across the region means that there are more patients in hospitals in need of intensive care treatment than there are ICU beds across the state. Even if you spread the number of patients requiring ICU care across the state, there wouldn’t be enough beds available.
That’s why California Department of Public Health is saying that there is 0% availability for ICU beds in the entire state.
More patients than beds in the fifth largest economy in the world.
#sensationalism
posted on 30/12/20
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 9 minutes ago
As someone who lives in California I can tell you that we all find the reporting of our crisis beyond strange.
Ten days ago a buddy of mine broke his forearm and I drove him to A&E, was half deserted, the previous night that same hospital was reported on NNC Bay Area of needing to turn ambulances away...
But California is probably the single biggest piece of evidence that lockdowns do not work.
Political reasons or not we locked down first and the hardest in March, we briefly rolled back partially (best we could do was eat outside) for a few weeks then straight back in to shelter in place.
Our cases just go up and up and up. The red states or slightly less blue states that locked down for shorter times or not at all that have far greater population density are all doing significantly better than the state that was the poster child for handling the virus a few months back.
Would love Rosso or Dave to explain how that’s possible given their fervent belief that the only way to deal with this is to keep people out of work, out of school and locked up
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I haven’t said that. That’s just a barefaced lie.
posted on 30/12/20
“The state determines a region’s ICU capacity with a weighted formula to ensure that some ICU beds remain open for non-COVID patients. When the state says a region has reached 0%, it will actually still have some beds available. “
So they could have 5000 ICU beds and plan to have 1000 available for covid, if those 1000 are full and the other 4000 are empty they will lead with
“0% ICU CAPACITY - CRISIS”
and fail to explain after the headline that actually they’ve got a few more covid patients than planned but the rest of the hospital is actually under capacity.
That’s sensationalism.
posted on 30/12/20
Of course Lockdowns don't work, we have morons like Jim Lahey telling anyone that will listen that it's all nonsense and just going about their business
posted on 30/12/20
Explain how it’s worked in California then ?
posted on 30/12/20
I just did. Too many morons
posted on 30/12/20
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 32 minutes ago
“The state determines a region’s ICU capacity with a weighted formula to ensure that some ICU beds remain open for non-COVID patients. When the state says a region has reached 0%, it will actually still have some beds available. “
So they could have 5000 ICU beds and plan to have 1000 available for covid, if those 1000 are full and the other 4000 are empty they will lead with
“0% ICU CAPACITY - CRISIS”
and fail to explain after the headline that actually they’ve got a few more covid patients than planned but the rest of the hospital is actually under capacity.
That’s sensationalism.
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Again, your own link states that:
“the situation has grown so dire in Los Angeles that some hospitals are turning away ambulances and running short on oxygen supplies”
Do you not find that intensely troubling in one of the richest cities in the world?
Does that not suggest to you that we should be taking the situation very, very seriously indeed and trying to do our collective best to minimise transmission?
Jim, I’m sorry if the distancing-related public health measures we’ve seen implemented in just about every country in the world - measures recommended by the vast majority of epidemiologists, public health experts, and healthcare administrators based on reams and reams of academic evidence - have damaged your business or employment opportunities, have impacted your mental health, or have otherwise adversely impacted you or your family. I sincerely hope that that isn’t the case, and if it is, I hope 2021 is a better year for you and everyone else.
But if we’d have - if we do - let this virus spread uncontrolled, you can forget about keeping hospitals staffed, you can forget *any* outpatient treatment, including cancer and diabetes care, you can forget about emergency medicine, and you can forget about harvesting and transporting food between and across nations.
You can look forward to spiralling healthcare costs for every nation after the phenomenally tragic mess that would unfold is cleaned up as the impacts of millions of cases of long COVID are dealt with. It’d just be catastrophic.
We are already still in a serious mess *despite* the social distancing measures in place. It doesn’t need to get any worse than this.
I hope you’re smart enough to be staying safe and to be keeping your family, friends, and any co-workers or customers safe too, and I hope you don’t have to deal with anyone close to you losing their life unnecessarily because they miscalculate the value of a trip to their local bar or attendance at a party.
posted on 30/12/20
If his last article is anything to go by, he’s really not smart enough.
posted on 30/12/20
Jim banned, waaay overdue.
posted on 30/12/20
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 50 seconds ago
Jim banned, waaay overdue.
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posted on 30/12/20
I’m assuming that’s a result of the Pfizer vaccine article
posted on 30/12/20
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posted on 30/12/20
He is being silenced
posted on 30/12/20
But if we’d have - if we do - let this virus spread uncontrolled, you can forget about keeping hospitals staffed, you can forget *any* outpatient treatment, including cancer and diabetes care, you can forget about emergency medicine, and you can forget about harvesting and transporting food between and across nations.
You can look forward to spiralling healthcare costs for every nation after the phenomenally tragic mess that would unfold is cleaned up as the impacts of millions of cases of long COVID are dealt with. It’d just be catastrophic.
We are already still in a serious mess *despite* the social distancing measures in place. It doesn’t need to get any worse than this.
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I don't get why people don't get this.
posted on 30/12/20
Jim is a great example of what is wrong with today's world.
posted on 30/12/20
he still didn't answer my question.
posted on 30/12/20
comment by Shinjury list (U1700)
posted 7 hours, 56 minutes ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 3 hours, 5 minutes ago
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 12 hours, 2 minutes ago
Sigh
Someone posts asking why this (pl cases) is being sensationalised.
I merely point out all covid cases are sensationalised and the reason why, back up my point with proof, explain it for simpletons even like you Dave and you can’t wrap your brain around it.
Quite sad really.
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I'm not sure if this is a great idea, but why are they sensationalising cases in your opinion? I've read through your posts and I can't find this reason you claim to have given. Why would the government/PL/mass media make this pandemic seem worse than it is?
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Ask yourself why the Merseyside police/Govt. would cover up the Hillsborough tragedy?
Ask yourself why the BBC/Police/Govt. would cover up the Jimmy Saville and friends paedo tragedy?
Ask yourself why the Church/Govt/Teachers/people in charge at the time would brainwash us all into believing our creator - who gave us the ability to sin, so he could hold us to account and punish us when he did - and if we didn’t submit to his will, he would banish us to hell fire for eternity?
Ask yourself why the police/Govt. we’re afraid to be racist when they buried the grooming gangs’ crimes?
Ask yourself why, potentially, Thatcher made the threat of the Belgrano seem worse to further her election campaign?
Why has Prince Andrew not been arrested for his complicity during the Epstein crimes?
I’m sure others could add more, but if you need to ask why the govt would do something that doesn’t stack up, I suggest you get off the train.
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All interesting yet completely irrelevant. Thanks, though.
posted on 30/12/20
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Shinjury list (U1700)
posted 7 hours, 56 minutes ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 3 hours, 5 minutes ago
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 12 hours, 2 minutes ago
Sigh
Someone posts asking why this (pl cases) is being sensationalised.
I merely point out all covid cases are sensationalised and the reason why, back up my point with proof, explain it for simpletons even like you Dave and you can’t wrap your brain around it.
Quite sad really.
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I'm not sure if this is a great idea, but why are they sensationalising cases in your opinion? I've read through your posts and I can't find this reason you claim to have given. Why would the government/PL/mass media make this pandemic seem worse than it is?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ask yourself why the Merseyside police/Govt. would cover up the Hillsborough tragedy?
Ask yourself why the BBC/Police/Govt. would cover up the Jimmy Saville and friends paedo tragedy?
Ask yourself why the Church/Govt/Teachers/people in charge at the time would brainwash us all into believing our creator - who gave us the ability to sin, so he could hold us to account and punish us when he did - and if we didn’t submit to his will, he would banish us to hell fire for eternity?
Ask yourself why the police/Govt. we’re afraid to be racist when they buried the grooming gangs’ crimes?
Ask yourself why, potentially, Thatcher made the threat of the Belgrano seem worse to further her election campaign?
Why has Prince Andrew not been arrested for his complicity during the Epstein crimes?
I’m sure others could add more, but if you need to ask why the govt would do something that doesn’t stack up, I suggest you get off the train.
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All interesting yet completely irrelevant. Thanks, though.
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Yeah that lot has gone clean over my head
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Someone posts asking why this (pl cases) is being sensationalised.
I merely point out all covid cases are sensationalised and the reason why, back up my point with proof, explain it for simpletons even like you Dave and you can’t wrap your brain around it.
Quite sad really.
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I'm not sure if this is a great idea, but why are they sensationalising cases in your opinion? I've read through your posts and I can't find this reason you claim to have given. Why would the government/PL/mass media make this pandemic seem worse than it is?
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Ask yourself why the Merseyside police/Govt. would cover up the Hillsborough tragedy?
Ask yourself why the BBC/Police/Govt. would cover up the Jimmy Saville and friends paedo tragedy?
Ask yourself why the Church/Govt/Teachers/people in charge at the time would brainwash us all into believing our creator - who gave us the ability to sin, so he could hold us to account and punish us when he did - and if we didn’t submit to his will, he would banish us to hell fire for eternity?
Ask yourself why the police/Govt. we’re afraid to be racist when they buried the grooming gangs’ crimes?
Ask yourself why, potentially, Thatcher made the threat of the Belgrano seem worse to further her election campaign?
Why has Prince Andrew not been arrested for his complicity during the Epstein crimes?
I’m sure others could add more, but if you need to ask why the govt would do something that doesn’t stack up, I suggest you get off the train.
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All interesting yet completely irrelevant. Thanks, though.
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You asked why the govt. would have an agenda - as if they are squeaky clean.
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comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
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comment by Shinjury list (U1700)
posted 7 hours, 56 minutes ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 3 hours, 5 minutes ago
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 12 hours, 2 minutes ago
Sigh
Someone posts asking why this (pl cases) is being sensationalised.
I merely point out all covid cases are sensationalised and the reason why, back up my point with proof, explain it for simpletons even like you Dave and you can’t wrap your brain around it.
Quite sad really.
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I'm not sure if this is a great idea, but why are they sensationalising cases in your opinion? I've read through your posts and I can't find this reason you claim to have given. Why would the government/PL/mass media make this pandemic seem worse than it is?
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Ask yourself why the Merseyside police/Govt. would cover up the Hillsborough tragedy?
Ask yourself why the BBC/Police/Govt. would cover up the Jimmy Saville and friends paedo tragedy?
Ask yourself why the Church/Govt/Teachers/people in charge at the time would brainwash us all into believing our creator - who gave us the ability to sin, so he could hold us to account and punish us when he did - and if we didn’t submit to his will, he would banish us to hell fire for eternity?
Ask yourself why the police/Govt. we’re afraid to be racist when they buried the grooming gangs’ crimes?
Ask yourself why, potentially, Thatcher made the threat of the Belgrano seem worse to further her election campaign?
Why has Prince Andrew not been arrested for his complicity during the Epstein crimes?
I’m sure others could add more, but if you need to ask why the govt would do something that doesn’t stack up, I suggest you get off the train.
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All interesting yet completely irrelevant. Thanks, though.
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You asked why the govt. would have an agenda - as if they are squeaky clean.
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No. I asked Jim his opinion of why they are making the pandemic seem worse than it is.
I understand that the government lies to us regularly. I was just interested to learn what, in this specific case, the motive was in his opinion. Because I see this on social media and there doesn't seem to be a consistent theory. Sometimes it's a financial 'reset', other times it's a vague reference to 'control' or the New World Order.. there could be a bunch of reasons why they'd do it to be fair. I'm open to the possibility.
Though I think it's also worth noting there's a good chance they (the UK govt anyway) have downplayed the virus at various times, especially early on, leading them to having to overplay it later to make up for their mistakes, and double down to make up for their terrible communication and leadership over the whole thing. Either way you want to look at it it's a facking shambles from start to finish.
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