comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 6 minutes ago
Did we get to white lives matter already? Christ.
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Do they not?
You do realise white people are just the same as everyone else, right?
Personally, I think being called white, brown etc is boring, but yea, white lives matter too.
If that is an issue, you have a problem.
Made up slogans only black lives matter are meh
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Not one slogan has ever said only black lives matter, if u feel the need to add words to slogans that don't exist then u crack on.
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I have seen and heard no lives matter until black lives matter, in response to Jewish comments, and the rapper who spouted this was condemned....it was a widely held view, last year in BLM bandwagon days.
Do black lives matter more than others?
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 6 minutes ago
I think it is fundamental that we try to improve all of these disparities but if we keep focusing on racism, we won’t make large improvements. The focus should be on the culture, environment and family structure etc.
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I think every aspect should be considered. Taking racism out of it is to ignore the context that the debate is occurring in. Ideally we'll get to the stage you're talking about but it's pretty clear we're not there yet.
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Yeah but racism is all we ever really hear about these days, it’s very much the main focus when looking at disparities and it’s not helpful if I am right for example and it’s not the main causal factor at play.
Discipline- discipline has disintegrated a lot in this country. That’s something I would put probably top of the list. Not an easy fix either but sorting that would have a huge impact on future generations on crime, education and employment.
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Sorry but I think it's just whataboutism. You can care about discipline and family values etc and address racism.
You haven't demonstrated how you're right though. Indian people aside - for the reasons you've given - seem to be doing OK. But you haven't demonstrated that they're not victims of racism. Maybe they could be doing even better in a truly equal Britain. Or how their experience applies to other minorities.
You might not like hearing about racial discrimination but it's a reality. You might disagree with the sum effect on minorities' opportunities but surely you accept it is a real thing? If so, you must accept that ignoring it will not lead to improvements. At best it'll stay the same.
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Bales - I really don’t know what you’re reading mate but it doesn’t seem to be what I’m writing.
Of course you can care about both - but when was the last time you saw months and months of news articles, air time, protests and societal push against slipping discipline etc?
I’m not trying to demonstrate that they’re not victims of racism? Never have and probably never will in my lifetime. The topic was about system racism, not racism in general.
Why might I not like hearing another racial discrimination? Why do you keep saying these things to me? I might not like diversity (last long term girlfriend was British Pakistani Muslim, best mate is also British Pakistani Muslim) and now apparently I don’t like hearing about racial discrimination? Why do I have to tell you that it’s a real thing? What on earth have I said that makes you think I don’t think there is any effect on opportunities for minorities and therefore have to reply saying it’s a real thing?
I’m disagreeing with a statement that the country is systemically racist. Much like I would disagree that the country is racist. Just because racism exists doesn’t make the country racist. Same applies to the systemic aspect.
I think I’m gonna leave it there mate as this is turning into goal post shifting and you putting words in my mouth for no reason whatsoever.
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 1 second ago
I like meat.
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Me too. It is merely an analogy for the (extreme) polarised nature of social media and indeed the ever so increasingly click baity broadcast media. So now do you understand why you're a vegan? You're either that or a racist mate.
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 2 minutes ago
Africa is a shambles.
Are white people to blame?
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Maybe, if they were left alone, with all their own natural resources, and certain people didn't go and drain it for everything they had, they probably wouldn't be a 'shambles' as u put it. But we'll never know will we.
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before europeans went to sub-Saharan africa...they cultures there were still living in the stone age
comment by Danny Mullen (U1734)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 2 minutes ago
Sick to death hearing about race every bloody day.
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Multi-cultural society mate....bet nobody asked you or your parents if they wanted one lol
And now, we are all evil white racists and should hate ourselves, burn the flag, flog ourselves for slavery by a few forefathers and accept covid, vaccines, weather, and all the problems in the world are whites fault.
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You do understand that all people want is to be treated respectfully,and equally. They don't want blood, money or anything that cost u a single thing but doing that seems so hard for people that you are somehow now a victim in all this
comment by Danny Mullen (U1734)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 1 second ago
I like meat.
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Me too. It is merely an analogy for the (extreme) polarised nature of social media and indeed the ever so increasingly click baity broadcast media. So now do you understand why you're a vegan? You're either that or a racist mate.
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😂😂😂
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 6 minutes ago
Did we get to white lives matter already? Christ.
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Do they not?
You do realise white people are just the same as everyone else, right?
Personally, I think being called white, brown etc is boring, but yea, white lives matter too.
If that is an issue, you have a problem.
Made up slogans only black lives matter are meh
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Not one slogan has ever said only black lives matter, if u feel the need to add words to slogans that don't exist then u crack on.
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I have seen and heard no lives matter until black lives matter, in response to Jewish comments, and the rapper who spouted this was condemned....it was a widely held view, last year in BLM bandwagon days.
Do black lives matter more than others?
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So u heard 1 rapper say it and to answer your question, no.
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 second ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 6 minutes ago
I think it is fundamental that we try to improve all of these disparities but if we keep focusing on racism, we won’t make large improvements. The focus should be on the culture, environment and family structure etc.
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I think every aspect should be considered. Taking racism out of it is to ignore the context that the debate is occurring in. Ideally we'll get to the stage you're talking about but it's pretty clear we're not there yet.
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Yeah but racism is all we ever really hear about these days, it’s very much the main focus when looking at disparities and it’s not helpful if I am right for example and it’s not the main causal factor at play.
Discipline- discipline has disintegrated a lot in this country. That’s something I would put probably top of the list. Not an easy fix either but sorting that would have a huge impact on future generations on crime, education and employment.
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Sorry but I think it's just whataboutism. You can care about discipline and family values etc and address racism.
You haven't demonstrated how you're right though. Indian people aside - for the reasons you've given - seem to be doing OK. But you haven't demonstrated that they're not victims of racism. Maybe they could be doing even better in a truly equal Britain. Or how their experience applies to other minorities.
You might not like hearing about racial discrimination but it's a reality. You might disagree with the sum effect on minorities' opportunities but surely you accept it is a real thing? If so, you must accept that ignoring it will not lead to improvements. At best it'll stay the same.
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Bales - I really don’t know what you’re reading mate but it doesn’t seem to be what I’m writing.
Of course you can care about both - but when was the last time you saw months and months of news articles, air time, protests and societal push against slipping discipline etc?
I’m not trying to demonstrate that they’re not victims of racism? Never have and probably never will in my lifetime. The topic was about system racism, not racism in general.
Why might I not like hearing another racial discrimination? Why do you keep saying these things to me? I might not like diversity (last long term girlfriend was British Pakistani Muslim, best mate is also British Pakistani Muslim) and now apparently I don’t like hearing about racial discrimination? Why do I have to tell you that it’s a real thing? What on earth have I said that makes you think I don’t think there is any effect on opportunities for minorities and therefore have to reply saying it’s a real thing?
I’m disagreeing with a statement that the country is systemically racist. Much like I would disagree that the country is racist. Just because racism exists doesn’t make the country racist. Same applies to the systemic aspect.
I think I’m gonna leave it there mate as this is turning into goal post shifting and you putting words in my mouth for no reason whatsoever.
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It seems your point is too abstract to really make any sense to me in the context of a regular conversation.
How can a country be racist if not for the actions of the individuals?
I've made the points I have in response to your comments that one group doing well demonstrates that systemic racism isn't an issue. There's plenty of evidence to the contrary but you want the debate to focus on family life and discipline. You're the one trying to derail things rather than discuss the issue at hand.
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 2 minutes ago
Africa is a shambles.
Are white people to blame?
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Maybe, if they were left alone, with all their own natural resources, and certain people didn't go and drain it for everything they had, they probably wouldn't be a 'shambles' as u put it. But we'll never know will we.
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before europeans went to sub-Saharan africa...they cultures there were still living in the stone age
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Thats not true and if it was, what is your point ????
It is entirely possible to be more racist to one race than another. eg. It is trite that black people get the longest sentences, followed by latinos and then white people. Some facts are direct and irrefutable proof of systemic racism and that systemic racism doesn't necessarily produce the same results among different demographics.
A bit old but demonstrates the point well enough and things can't have changed that much I suspect.
https://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/publications/racial-disparity-sentencing
Sorry a 'major' issue. I feel that instead of saying "yeah it might be a major issue, that would be a shame but I hope we can fix that soon" you're just doubling down.
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 9 minutes ago
Love how the black community are complaining that COVID is racist yet as soon as there is a vaccine many of them refuse to take it.
For a community that make up approx 3-5% of the countries population they sure as hell are in so much these days. The findings were spot on and yet we still get clowns questioning them
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This.
For a tiny minority, the media and airwaves are being monopolized by a BLM narrative and soft on Islamists approach.
I know some hate the fact the UK is majority white, but that is just how it is, like Africa has loads of black folk and India is quite Indian.
Proportionally, bame are massively over represented in the UK in so many areas, yet we are still called racist for being born this way lol
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 2 minutes ago
Africa is a shambles.
Are white people to blame?
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Maybe, if they were left alone, with all their own natural resources, and certain people didn't go and drain it for everything they had, they probably wouldn't be a 'shambles' as u put it. But we'll never know will we.
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before europeans went to sub-Saharan africa...they cultures there were still living in the stone age
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Africa today, right now...shambles.
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - Son of the Soil (U1282)
posted 10 seconds ago
It is entirely possible to be more racist to one race than another. eg. It is trite that black people get the longest sentences, followed by latinos and then white people. Some facts are direct and irrefutable proof of systemic racism and that systemic racism doesn't necessarily produce the same results among different demographics.
A bit old but demonstrates the point well enough and things can't have changed that much I suspect.
https://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/publications/racial-disparity-sentencing
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That’s the US not UK
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 6 minutes ago
Did we get to white lives matter already? Christ.
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Do they not?
You do realise white people are just the same as everyone else, right?
Personally, I think being called white, brown etc is boring, but yea, white lives matter too.
If that is an issue, you have a problem.
Made up slogans only black lives matter are meh
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Not one slogan has ever said only black lives matter, if u feel the need to add words to slogans that don't exist then u crack on.
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I have seen and heard no lives matter until black lives matter, in response to Jewish comments, and the rapper who spouted this was condemned....it was a widely held view, last year in BLM bandwagon days.
Do black lives matter more than others?
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If I list a bunch of children's charities, you going to write to them asking "what about adults?"
RSPB? Why not RSPH?
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - Son of the Soil (U1282)
posted 10 seconds ago
It is entirely possible to be more racist to one race than another. eg. It is trite that black people get the longest sentences, followed by latinos and then white people. Some facts are direct and irrefutable proof of systemic racism and that systemic racism doesn't necessarily produce the same results among different demographics.
A bit old but demonstrates the point well enough and things can't have changed that much I suspect.
https://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/publications/racial-disparity-sentencing
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That’s the US not UK
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Someone asked for a link from UK or the US. I think the argument is systemic racism doesn't exist, period.
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 2 minutes ago
Africa is a shambles.
Are white people to blame?
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Maybe, if they were left alone, with all their own natural resources, and certain people didn't go and drain it for everything they had, they probably wouldn't be a 'shambles' as u put it. But we'll never know will we.
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before europeans went to sub-Saharan africa...they cultures there were still living in the stone age
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Thats not true and if it was, what is your point ????
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Just one example now...Mozambique...Islamist beheadings on beaches this week and yet another war zone.
How is life there?
Sudan, Somalia, DR Congo, Libya, Nigeria, Chad, Rwanda.
Child brides to old men, FGM, hunger, Ebola, corruption, etc that Africa.
comment by Danny Mullen (U1734)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 6 minutes ago
Did we get to white lives matter already? Christ.
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Do they not?
You do realise white people are just the same as everyone else, right?
Personally, I think being called white, brown etc is boring, but yea, white lives matter too.
If that is an issue, you have a problem.
Made up slogans only black lives matter are meh
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Not one slogan has ever said only black lives matter, if u feel the need to add words to slogans that don't exist then u crack on.
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I have seen and heard no lives matter until black lives matter, in response to Jewish comments, and the rapper who spouted this was condemned....it was a widely held view, last year in BLM bandwagon days.
Do black lives matter more than others?
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If I list a bunch of children's charities, you going to write to them asking "what about adults?"
RSPB? Why not RSPH?
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Campaign to raise awareness of mental health issues? What about us that don't have mental health issues? Do we not matter???
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 47 seconds ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 9 minutes ago
Love how the black community are complaining that COVID is racist yet as soon as there is a vaccine many of them refuse to take it.
For a community that make up approx 3-5% of the countries population they sure as hell are in so much these days. The findings were spot on and yet we still get clowns questioning them
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This.
For a tiny minority, the media and airwaves are being monopolized by a BLM narrative and soft on Islamists approach.
I know some hate the fact the UK is majority white, but that is just how it is, like Africa has loads of black folk and India is quite Indian.
Proportionally, bame are massively over represented in the UK in so many areas, yet we are still called racist for being born this way lol
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Your mentality is so warped its scary. 'I know some hate the fact that the majority of UK is white'......wtf!! Thats not new news to ANYONE that the uk is mainly white. Tommy Robinson is that you???
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 38 minutes ago
Africa is a shambles.
Are white people to blame?
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Of course they are. Daft question.
This is why people are demonstrating and asking for school curriculums to be inclusive. Failing to teach kids the truth leads to ignorance in adult hood in respect of what you failed to teach them.
Comments like this one originate from a lack of knowledge and half truths in education and once the dog is old it doesn't accept new tricks.
comment by Danny Mullen (U1734)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Danny Mullen (U1734)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 6 minutes ago
Did we get to white lives matter already? Christ.
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Do they not?
You do realise white people are just the same as everyone else, right?
Personally, I think being called white, brown etc is boring, but yea, white lives matter too.
If that is an issue, you have a problem.
Made up slogans only black lives matter are meh
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Not one slogan has ever said only black lives matter, if u feel the need to add words to slogans that don't exist then u crack on.
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I have seen and heard no lives matter until black lives matter, in response to Jewish comments, and the rapper who spouted this was condemned....it was a widely held view, last year in BLM bandwagon days.
Do black lives matter more than others?
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If I list a bunch of children's charities, you going to write to them asking "what about adults?"
RSPB? Why not RSPH?
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Campaign to raise awareness of mental health issues? What about us that don't have mental health issues? Do we not matter???
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It's those charities for the poor people that get me. Where's all the help for the wealthy? PC gone mad
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 second ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 6 minutes ago
I think it is fundamental that we try to improve all of these disparities but if we keep focusing on racism, we won’t make large improvements. The focus should be on the culture, environment and family structure etc.
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I think every aspect should be considered. Taking racism out of it is to ignore the context that the debate is occurring in. Ideally we'll get to the stage you're talking about but it's pretty clear we're not there yet.
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Yeah but racism is all we ever really hear about these days, it’s very much the main focus when looking at disparities and it’s not helpful if I am right for example and it’s not the main causal factor at play.
Discipline- discipline has disintegrated a lot in this country. That’s something I would put probably top of the list. Not an easy fix either but sorting that would have a huge impact on future generations on crime, education and employment.
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Sorry but I think it's just whataboutism. You can care about discipline and family values etc and address racism.
You haven't demonstrated how you're right though. Indian people aside - for the reasons you've given - seem to be doing OK. But you haven't demonstrated that they're not victims of racism. Maybe they could be doing even better in a truly equal Britain. Or how their experience applies to other minorities.
You might not like hearing about racial discrimination but it's a reality. You might disagree with the sum effect on minorities' opportunities but surely you accept it is a real thing? If so, you must accept that ignoring it will not lead to improvements. At best it'll stay the same.
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Bales - I really don’t know what you’re reading mate but it doesn’t seem to be what I’m writing.
Of course you can care about both - but when was the last time you saw months and months of news articles, air time, protests and societal push against slipping discipline etc?
I’m not trying to demonstrate that they’re not victims of racism? Never have and probably never will in my lifetime. The topic was about system racism, not racism in general.
Why might I not like hearing another racial discrimination? Why do you keep saying these things to me? I might not like diversity (last long term girlfriend was British Pakistani Muslim, best mate is also British Pakistani Muslim) and now apparently I don’t like hearing about racial discrimination? Why do I have to tell you that it’s a real thing? What on earth have I said that makes you think I don’t think there is any effect on opportunities for minorities and therefore have to reply saying it’s a real thing?
I’m disagreeing with a statement that the country is systemically racist. Much like I would disagree that the country is racist. Just because racism exists doesn’t make the country racist. Same applies to the systemic aspect.
I think I’m gonna leave it there mate as this is turning into goal post shifting and you putting words in my mouth for no reason whatsoever.
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It seems your point is too abstract to really make any sense to me in the context of a regular conversation.
How can a country be racist if not for the actions of the individuals?
I've made the points I have in response to your comments that one group doing well demonstrates that systemic racism isn't an issue. There's plenty of evidence to the contrary but you want the debate to focus on family life and discipline. You're the one trying to derail things rather than discuss the issue at hand.
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Ok
comment by Danny Mullen (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 6 minutes ago
Did we get to white lives matter already? Christ.
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Do they not?
You do realise white people are just the same as everyone else, right?
Personally, I think being called white, brown etc is boring, but yea, white lives matter too.
If that is an issue, you have a problem.
Made up slogans only black lives matter are meh
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Not one slogan has ever said only black lives matter, if u feel the need to add words to slogans that don't exist then u crack on.
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I have seen and heard no lives matter until black lives matter, in response to Jewish comments, and the rapper who spouted this was condemned....it was a widely held view, last year in BLM bandwagon days.
Do black lives matter more than others?
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If I list a bunch of children's charities, you going to write to them asking "what about adults?"
RSPB? Why not RSPH?
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When people say focus on one group to the detriment of another, while labelling the other racist and evil.
Black guys were saying No Other Lives Matter until BLM ,,which is racist, silly and gibberish.
I give to Barnardos, but do not hate or attack adults, parents, like BLM attack white people.
I love birds and always did, but I do not hate other creatures or blame them for birds plight.
Did you think it through, Danny?
🐴
You see there's no way a European education system is going to teach kids like "we went to Africa, enslaved and colonised them and stole their wealth and that's partially why you have such a great life and they don't, and we facked them so hard it will take centuries for then to recover".
Instead what they teach is "we went or Africa and gave them all these goodies and they owe us a lot. We're such good guys. Be proud of your country".
Don't be surprised by the result of course.
Charities is an interesting one. Does the NSPCA still receive way more than the NSPCC?
That’s completely backwards.
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posted on 31/3/21
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 6 minutes ago
Did we get to white lives matter already? Christ.
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Do they not?
You do realise white people are just the same as everyone else, right?
Personally, I think being called white, brown etc is boring, but yea, white lives matter too.
If that is an issue, you have a problem.
Made up slogans only black lives matter are meh
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Not one slogan has ever said only black lives matter, if u feel the need to add words to slogans that don't exist then u crack on.
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I have seen and heard no lives matter until black lives matter, in response to Jewish comments, and the rapper who spouted this was condemned....it was a widely held view, last year in BLM bandwagon days.
Do black lives matter more than others?
posted on 31/3/21
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 6 minutes ago
I think it is fundamental that we try to improve all of these disparities but if we keep focusing on racism, we won’t make large improvements. The focus should be on the culture, environment and family structure etc.
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I think every aspect should be considered. Taking racism out of it is to ignore the context that the debate is occurring in. Ideally we'll get to the stage you're talking about but it's pretty clear we're not there yet.
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Yeah but racism is all we ever really hear about these days, it’s very much the main focus when looking at disparities and it’s not helpful if I am right for example and it’s not the main causal factor at play.
Discipline- discipline has disintegrated a lot in this country. That’s something I would put probably top of the list. Not an easy fix either but sorting that would have a huge impact on future generations on crime, education and employment.
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Sorry but I think it's just whataboutism. You can care about discipline and family values etc and address racism.
You haven't demonstrated how you're right though. Indian people aside - for the reasons you've given - seem to be doing OK. But you haven't demonstrated that they're not victims of racism. Maybe they could be doing even better in a truly equal Britain. Or how their experience applies to other minorities.
You might not like hearing about racial discrimination but it's a reality. You might disagree with the sum effect on minorities' opportunities but surely you accept it is a real thing? If so, you must accept that ignoring it will not lead to improvements. At best it'll stay the same.
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Bales - I really don’t know what you’re reading mate but it doesn’t seem to be what I’m writing.
Of course you can care about both - but when was the last time you saw months and months of news articles, air time, protests and societal push against slipping discipline etc?
I’m not trying to demonstrate that they’re not victims of racism? Never have and probably never will in my lifetime. The topic was about system racism, not racism in general.
Why might I not like hearing another racial discrimination? Why do you keep saying these things to me? I might not like diversity (last long term girlfriend was British Pakistani Muslim, best mate is also British Pakistani Muslim) and now apparently I don’t like hearing about racial discrimination? Why do I have to tell you that it’s a real thing? What on earth have I said that makes you think I don’t think there is any effect on opportunities for minorities and therefore have to reply saying it’s a real thing?
I’m disagreeing with a statement that the country is systemically racist. Much like I would disagree that the country is racist. Just because racism exists doesn’t make the country racist. Same applies to the systemic aspect.
I think I’m gonna leave it there mate as this is turning into goal post shifting and you putting words in my mouth for no reason whatsoever.
posted on 31/3/21
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 1 second ago
I like meat.
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Me too. It is merely an analogy for the (extreme) polarised nature of social media and indeed the ever so increasingly click baity broadcast media. So now do you understand why you're a vegan? You're either that or a racist mate.
posted on 31/3/21
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 2 minutes ago
Africa is a shambles.
Are white people to blame?
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Maybe, if they were left alone, with all their own natural resources, and certain people didn't go and drain it for everything they had, they probably wouldn't be a 'shambles' as u put it. But we'll never know will we.
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before europeans went to sub-Saharan africa...they cultures there were still living in the stone age
posted on 31/3/21
comment by Danny Mullen (U1734)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 2 minutes ago
Sick to death hearing about race every bloody day.
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Multi-cultural society mate....bet nobody asked you or your parents if they wanted one lol
And now, we are all evil white racists and should hate ourselves, burn the flag, flog ourselves for slavery by a few forefathers and accept covid, vaccines, weather, and all the problems in the world are whites fault.
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You do understand that all people want is to be treated respectfully,and equally. They don't want blood, money or anything that cost u a single thing but doing that seems so hard for people that you are somehow now a victim in all this
posted on 31/3/21
comment by Danny Mullen (U1734)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 1 second ago
I like meat.
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Me too. It is merely an analogy for the (extreme) polarised nature of social media and indeed the ever so increasingly click baity broadcast media. So now do you understand why you're a vegan? You're either that or a racist mate.
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😂😂😂
posted on 31/3/21
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 6 minutes ago
Did we get to white lives matter already? Christ.
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Do they not?
You do realise white people are just the same as everyone else, right?
Personally, I think being called white, brown etc is boring, but yea, white lives matter too.
If that is an issue, you have a problem.
Made up slogans only black lives matter are meh
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Not one slogan has ever said only black lives matter, if u feel the need to add words to slogans that don't exist then u crack on.
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I have seen and heard no lives matter until black lives matter, in response to Jewish comments, and the rapper who spouted this was condemned....it was a widely held view, last year in BLM bandwagon days.
Do black lives matter more than others?
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So u heard 1 rapper say it and to answer your question, no.
posted on 31/3/21
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 second ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 6 minutes ago
I think it is fundamental that we try to improve all of these disparities but if we keep focusing on racism, we won’t make large improvements. The focus should be on the culture, environment and family structure etc.
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I think every aspect should be considered. Taking racism out of it is to ignore the context that the debate is occurring in. Ideally we'll get to the stage you're talking about but it's pretty clear we're not there yet.
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Yeah but racism is all we ever really hear about these days, it’s very much the main focus when looking at disparities and it’s not helpful if I am right for example and it’s not the main causal factor at play.
Discipline- discipline has disintegrated a lot in this country. That’s something I would put probably top of the list. Not an easy fix either but sorting that would have a huge impact on future generations on crime, education and employment.
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Sorry but I think it's just whataboutism. You can care about discipline and family values etc and address racism.
You haven't demonstrated how you're right though. Indian people aside - for the reasons you've given - seem to be doing OK. But you haven't demonstrated that they're not victims of racism. Maybe they could be doing even better in a truly equal Britain. Or how their experience applies to other minorities.
You might not like hearing about racial discrimination but it's a reality. You might disagree with the sum effect on minorities' opportunities but surely you accept it is a real thing? If so, you must accept that ignoring it will not lead to improvements. At best it'll stay the same.
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Bales - I really don’t know what you’re reading mate but it doesn’t seem to be what I’m writing.
Of course you can care about both - but when was the last time you saw months and months of news articles, air time, protests and societal push against slipping discipline etc?
I’m not trying to demonstrate that they’re not victims of racism? Never have and probably never will in my lifetime. The topic was about system racism, not racism in general.
Why might I not like hearing another racial discrimination? Why do you keep saying these things to me? I might not like diversity (last long term girlfriend was British Pakistani Muslim, best mate is also British Pakistani Muslim) and now apparently I don’t like hearing about racial discrimination? Why do I have to tell you that it’s a real thing? What on earth have I said that makes you think I don’t think there is any effect on opportunities for minorities and therefore have to reply saying it’s a real thing?
I’m disagreeing with a statement that the country is systemically racist. Much like I would disagree that the country is racist. Just because racism exists doesn’t make the country racist. Same applies to the systemic aspect.
I think I’m gonna leave it there mate as this is turning into goal post shifting and you putting words in my mouth for no reason whatsoever.
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It seems your point is too abstract to really make any sense to me in the context of a regular conversation.
How can a country be racist if not for the actions of the individuals?
I've made the points I have in response to your comments that one group doing well demonstrates that systemic racism isn't an issue. There's plenty of evidence to the contrary but you want the debate to focus on family life and discipline. You're the one trying to derail things rather than discuss the issue at hand.
posted on 31/3/21
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 2 minutes ago
Africa is a shambles.
Are white people to blame?
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Maybe, if they were left alone, with all their own natural resources, and certain people didn't go and drain it for everything they had, they probably wouldn't be a 'shambles' as u put it. But we'll never know will we.
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before europeans went to sub-Saharan africa...they cultures there were still living in the stone age
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Thats not true and if it was, what is your point ????
posted on 31/3/21
It is entirely possible to be more racist to one race than another. eg. It is trite that black people get the longest sentences, followed by latinos and then white people. Some facts are direct and irrefutable proof of systemic racism and that systemic racism doesn't necessarily produce the same results among different demographics.
A bit old but demonstrates the point well enough and things can't have changed that much I suspect.
https://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/publications/racial-disparity-sentencing
posted on 31/3/21
Sorry a 'major' issue. I feel that instead of saying "yeah it might be a major issue, that would be a shame but I hope we can fix that soon" you're just doubling down.
posted on 31/3/21
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 9 minutes ago
Love how the black community are complaining that COVID is racist yet as soon as there is a vaccine many of them refuse to take it.
For a community that make up approx 3-5% of the countries population they sure as hell are in so much these days. The findings were spot on and yet we still get clowns questioning them
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This.
For a tiny minority, the media and airwaves are being monopolized by a BLM narrative and soft on Islamists approach.
I know some hate the fact the UK is majority white, but that is just how it is, like Africa has loads of black folk and India is quite Indian.
Proportionally, bame are massively over represented in the UK in so many areas, yet we are still called racist for being born this way lol
posted on 31/3/21
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 2 minutes ago
Africa is a shambles.
Are white people to blame?
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Maybe, if they were left alone, with all their own natural resources, and certain people didn't go and drain it for everything they had, they probably wouldn't be a 'shambles' as u put it. But we'll never know will we.
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before europeans went to sub-Saharan africa...they cultures there were still living in the stone age
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Africa today, right now...shambles.
posted on 31/3/21
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - Son of the Soil (U1282)
posted 10 seconds ago
It is entirely possible to be more racist to one race than another. eg. It is trite that black people get the longest sentences, followed by latinos and then white people. Some facts are direct and irrefutable proof of systemic racism and that systemic racism doesn't necessarily produce the same results among different demographics.
A bit old but demonstrates the point well enough and things can't have changed that much I suspect.
https://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/publications/racial-disparity-sentencing
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That’s the US not UK
posted on 31/3/21
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 6 minutes ago
Did we get to white lives matter already? Christ.
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Do they not?
You do realise white people are just the same as everyone else, right?
Personally, I think being called white, brown etc is boring, but yea, white lives matter too.
If that is an issue, you have a problem.
Made up slogans only black lives matter are meh
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Not one slogan has ever said only black lives matter, if u feel the need to add words to slogans that don't exist then u crack on.
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I have seen and heard no lives matter until black lives matter, in response to Jewish comments, and the rapper who spouted this was condemned....it was a widely held view, last year in BLM bandwagon days.
Do black lives matter more than others?
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If I list a bunch of children's charities, you going to write to them asking "what about adults?"
RSPB? Why not RSPH?
posted on 31/3/21
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - Son of the Soil (U1282)
posted 10 seconds ago
It is entirely possible to be more racist to one race than another. eg. It is trite that black people get the longest sentences, followed by latinos and then white people. Some facts are direct and irrefutable proof of systemic racism and that systemic racism doesn't necessarily produce the same results among different demographics.
A bit old but demonstrates the point well enough and things can't have changed that much I suspect.
https://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/publications/racial-disparity-sentencing
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That’s the US not UK
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Someone asked for a link from UK or the US. I think the argument is systemic racism doesn't exist, period.
posted on 31/3/21
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 2 minutes ago
Africa is a shambles.
Are white people to blame?
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Maybe, if they were left alone, with all their own natural resources, and certain people didn't go and drain it for everything they had, they probably wouldn't be a 'shambles' as u put it. But we'll never know will we.
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before europeans went to sub-Saharan africa...they cultures there were still living in the stone age
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Thats not true and if it was, what is your point ????
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Just one example now...Mozambique...Islamist beheadings on beaches this week and yet another war zone.
How is life there?
Sudan, Somalia, DR Congo, Libya, Nigeria, Chad, Rwanda.
Child brides to old men, FGM, hunger, Ebola, corruption, etc that Africa.
posted on 31/3/21
comment by Danny Mullen (U1734)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 6 minutes ago
Did we get to white lives matter already? Christ.
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Do they not?
You do realise white people are just the same as everyone else, right?
Personally, I think being called white, brown etc is boring, but yea, white lives matter too.
If that is an issue, you have a problem.
Made up slogans only black lives matter are meh
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Not one slogan has ever said only black lives matter, if u feel the need to add words to slogans that don't exist then u crack on.
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I have seen and heard no lives matter until black lives matter, in response to Jewish comments, and the rapper who spouted this was condemned....it was a widely held view, last year in BLM bandwagon days.
Do black lives matter more than others?
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If I list a bunch of children's charities, you going to write to them asking "what about adults?"
RSPB? Why not RSPH?
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Campaign to raise awareness of mental health issues? What about us that don't have mental health issues? Do we not matter???
posted on 31/3/21
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 47 seconds ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 9 minutes ago
Love how the black community are complaining that COVID is racist yet as soon as there is a vaccine many of them refuse to take it.
For a community that make up approx 3-5% of the countries population they sure as hell are in so much these days. The findings were spot on and yet we still get clowns questioning them
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This.
For a tiny minority, the media and airwaves are being monopolized by a BLM narrative and soft on Islamists approach.
I know some hate the fact the UK is majority white, but that is just how it is, like Africa has loads of black folk and India is quite Indian.
Proportionally, bame are massively over represented in the UK in so many areas, yet we are still called racist for being born this way lol
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Your mentality is so warped its scary. 'I know some hate the fact that the majority of UK is white'......wtf!! Thats not new news to ANYONE that the uk is mainly white. Tommy Robinson is that you???
posted on 31/3/21
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 38 minutes ago
Africa is a shambles.
Are white people to blame?
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Of course they are. Daft question.
This is why people are demonstrating and asking for school curriculums to be inclusive. Failing to teach kids the truth leads to ignorance in adult hood in respect of what you failed to teach them.
Comments like this one originate from a lack of knowledge and half truths in education and once the dog is old it doesn't accept new tricks.
posted on 31/3/21
comment by Danny Mullen (U1734)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Danny Mullen (U1734)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 6 minutes ago
Did we get to white lives matter already? Christ.
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Do they not?
You do realise white people are just the same as everyone else, right?
Personally, I think being called white, brown etc is boring, but yea, white lives matter too.
If that is an issue, you have a problem.
Made up slogans only black lives matter are meh
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Not one slogan has ever said only black lives matter, if u feel the need to add words to slogans that don't exist then u crack on.
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I have seen and heard no lives matter until black lives matter, in response to Jewish comments, and the rapper who spouted this was condemned....it was a widely held view, last year in BLM bandwagon days.
Do black lives matter more than others?
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If I list a bunch of children's charities, you going to write to them asking "what about adults?"
RSPB? Why not RSPH?
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Campaign to raise awareness of mental health issues? What about us that don't have mental health issues? Do we not matter???
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It's those charities for the poor people that get me. Where's all the help for the wealthy? PC gone mad
posted on 31/3/21
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 second ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 6 minutes ago
I think it is fundamental that we try to improve all of these disparities but if we keep focusing on racism, we won’t make large improvements. The focus should be on the culture, environment and family structure etc.
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I think every aspect should be considered. Taking racism out of it is to ignore the context that the debate is occurring in. Ideally we'll get to the stage you're talking about but it's pretty clear we're not there yet.
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Yeah but racism is all we ever really hear about these days, it’s very much the main focus when looking at disparities and it’s not helpful if I am right for example and it’s not the main causal factor at play.
Discipline- discipline has disintegrated a lot in this country. That’s something I would put probably top of the list. Not an easy fix either but sorting that would have a huge impact on future generations on crime, education and employment.
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Sorry but I think it's just whataboutism. You can care about discipline and family values etc and address racism.
You haven't demonstrated how you're right though. Indian people aside - for the reasons you've given - seem to be doing OK. But you haven't demonstrated that they're not victims of racism. Maybe they could be doing even better in a truly equal Britain. Or how their experience applies to other minorities.
You might not like hearing about racial discrimination but it's a reality. You might disagree with the sum effect on minorities' opportunities but surely you accept it is a real thing? If so, you must accept that ignoring it will not lead to improvements. At best it'll stay the same.
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Bales - I really don’t know what you’re reading mate but it doesn’t seem to be what I’m writing.
Of course you can care about both - but when was the last time you saw months and months of news articles, air time, protests and societal push against slipping discipline etc?
I’m not trying to demonstrate that they’re not victims of racism? Never have and probably never will in my lifetime. The topic was about system racism, not racism in general.
Why might I not like hearing another racial discrimination? Why do you keep saying these things to me? I might not like diversity (last long term girlfriend was British Pakistani Muslim, best mate is also British Pakistani Muslim) and now apparently I don’t like hearing about racial discrimination? Why do I have to tell you that it’s a real thing? What on earth have I said that makes you think I don’t think there is any effect on opportunities for minorities and therefore have to reply saying it’s a real thing?
I’m disagreeing with a statement that the country is systemically racist. Much like I would disagree that the country is racist. Just because racism exists doesn’t make the country racist. Same applies to the systemic aspect.
I think I’m gonna leave it there mate as this is turning into goal post shifting and you putting words in my mouth for no reason whatsoever.
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It seems your point is too abstract to really make any sense to me in the context of a regular conversation.
How can a country be racist if not for the actions of the individuals?
I've made the points I have in response to your comments that one group doing well demonstrates that systemic racism isn't an issue. There's plenty of evidence to the contrary but you want the debate to focus on family life and discipline. You're the one trying to derail things rather than discuss the issue at hand.
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Ok
posted on 31/3/21
comment by Danny Mullen (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 6 minutes ago
Did we get to white lives matter already? Christ.
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Do they not?
You do realise white people are just the same as everyone else, right?
Personally, I think being called white, brown etc is boring, but yea, white lives matter too.
If that is an issue, you have a problem.
Made up slogans only black lives matter are meh
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Not one slogan has ever said only black lives matter, if u feel the need to add words to slogans that don't exist then u crack on.
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I have seen and heard no lives matter until black lives matter, in response to Jewish comments, and the rapper who spouted this was condemned....it was a widely held view, last year in BLM bandwagon days.
Do black lives matter more than others?
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If I list a bunch of children's charities, you going to write to them asking "what about adults?"
RSPB? Why not RSPH?
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When people say focus on one group to the detriment of another, while labelling the other racist and evil.
Black guys were saying No Other Lives Matter until BLM ,,which is racist, silly and gibberish.
I give to Barnardos, but do not hate or attack adults, parents, like BLM attack white people.
I love birds and always did, but I do not hate other creatures or blame them for birds plight.
Did you think it through, Danny?
🐴
posted on 31/3/21
You see there's no way a European education system is going to teach kids like "we went to Africa, enslaved and colonised them and stole their wealth and that's partially why you have such a great life and they don't, and we facked them so hard it will take centuries for then to recover".
Instead what they teach is "we went or Africa and gave them all these goodies and they owe us a lot. We're such good guys. Be proud of your country".
Don't be surprised by the result of course.
posted on 31/3/21
Charities is an interesting one. Does the NSPCA still receive way more than the NSPCC?
That’s completely backwards.
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