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Stretford - trust me I believe carrick etc should of all walked when ole was sacked as they were also a big reason Ole failed. They shouldn’t be here now.
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Why should they have left with 3 days before a crucial CL game? Who else would be in charge ? Phil Jones ?
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Yeah they couldn't leave on Sunday given the Villarreal game absolutely.
They should all leave for me though when we appoint the next manager. They have failed under Jose and Ole. They aren't good enough for us.
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I agree they should all leave once Poch or whoever comes in. But have no issue with them taking games until then
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I don't think that any of us can say for certain how good these guys are. We are all just guessing.
For instance, in just one game Carrick has started Sancho on the right and started VDB. Who knows what others changes he would make? Or how his opinions differ to Ole's?
He could be just as much to blame as Ole. Or maybe Ole was set in his ways and didn't really listen too much to his coaches? We just don't know.
That isn't to say that we should keep Carrick et al. As I'd hope that they new manager has his own team that he knows and trusts. But it makes me laugh how people form opinions on how good these coaches are when we have no idea how the inner workings of Ole's coaching team.
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I’m not as entrenched as UWW on this. I would lean towards doubting the coaching ability of Carrick and McKenna but how much of that was down to working with Ole ?
If Poch for example came in and sat down with them and thought their ideas matched his then I’d be fine with them staying on. If they were forced upon Poch then I wouldn’t. It should always be the incoming managers choice and in fairness to our club, they always do seem to let the managers pick their staff.
Rudi Garcia is much more appealing than Valverde for me
Interim is odd tho... Does he get any money in January... Are we wanting a continuation in playing style from the interim to the new permanent manager in the summer... Assuming the club know who they want... Or do the players adapt to a 3rd approach inside a year.
Garcias lyon team were a decent watch
Stumbling about in the dark picking names now.
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Stumbling about in the dark picking names now.
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comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 13 seconds ago
Stumbling about in the dark picking names now.
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We don't expect anything else from our owners
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I wish they'd all stumble around in the dark on the motorway. 😂
I doubt a continuation in playing style will be that important to the club. The risk of missing out on the CL is big, results are all that will matter to them. And to get results we need someone that can organise the defence, we’ll should get enough goals with our attacking options.
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posted 19 seconds ago
Stretford - trust me I believe carrick etc should of all walked when ole was sacked as they were also a big reason Ole failed. They shouldn’t be here now.
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Why should they have left with 3 days before a crucial CL game? Who else would be in charge ? Phil Jones ?
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Yeah they couldn't leave on Sunday given the Villarreal game absolutely.
They should all leave for me though when we appoint the next manager. They have failed under Jose and Ole. They aren't good enough for us.
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I agree they should all leave once Poch or whoever comes in. But have no issue with them taking games until then
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I don't think that any of us can say for certain how good these guys are. We are all just guessing.
For instance, in just one game Carrick has started Sancho on the right and started VDB. Who knows what others changes he would make? Or how his opinions differ to Ole's?
He could be just as much to blame as Ole. Or maybe Ole was set in his ways and didn't really listen too much to his coaches? We just don't know.
That isn't to say that we should keep Carrick et al. As I'd hope that they new manager has his own team that he knows and trusts. But it makes me laugh how people form opinions on how good these coaches are when we have no idea how the inner workings of Ole's coaching team.
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I’m not as entrenched as UWW on this. I would lean towards doubting the coaching ability of Carrick and McKenna but how much of that was down to working with Ole ?
If Poch for example came in and sat down with them and thought their ideas matched his then I’d be fine with them staying on. If they were forced upon Poch then I wouldn’t. It should always be the incoming managers choice and in fairness to our club, they always do seem to let the managers pick their staff.
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Agree 100%. The manger has to be happy with his team.
My issue is with how the coaches are judged when none of us have a clue how good they are. You could have the best coach in the world, but if the manager is listening or doesn't want to take on their ideas, you aren't going to see their value.
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
I doubt a continuation in playing style will be that important to the club. The risk of missing out on the CL is big, results are all that will matter to them. And to get results we need someone that can organise the defence, we’ll should get enough goals with our attacking options.
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Our best chance at getting 4th is not experimenting with an interim coach who has never worked in England before, let alone worked with Carrick and McKenna, surely?
Like most things these parasites do.....it will backfire spectacularly if this is the plan.
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Stumbling about in the dark picking names now.
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We don't expect anything else from our owners
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I'd like to think of it more as pin the tail on the donkey.
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
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comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
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comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 19 seconds ago
Stretford - trust me I believe carrick etc should of all walked when ole was sacked as they were also a big reason Ole failed. They shouldn’t be here now.
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Why should they have left with 3 days before a crucial CL game? Who else would be in charge ? Phil Jones ?
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Yeah they couldn't leave on Sunday given the Villarreal game absolutely.
They should all leave for me though when we appoint the next manager. They have failed under Jose and Ole. They aren't good enough for us.
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I agree they should all leave once Poch or whoever comes in. But have no issue with them taking games until then
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I don't think that any of us can say for certain how good these guys are. We are all just guessing.
For instance, in just one game Carrick has started Sancho on the right and started VDB. Who knows what others changes he would make? Or how his opinions differ to Ole's?
He could be just as much to blame as Ole. Or maybe Ole was set in his ways and didn't really listen too much to his coaches? We just don't know.
That isn't to say that we should keep Carrick et al. As I'd hope that they new manager has his own team that he knows and trusts. But it makes me laugh how people form opinions on how good these coaches are when we have no idea how the inner workings of Ole's coaching team.
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I’m not as entrenched as UWW on this. I would lean towards doubting the coaching ability of Carrick and McKenna but how much of that was down to working with Ole ?
If Poch for example came in and sat down with them and thought their ideas matched his then I’d be fine with them staying on. If they were forced upon Poch then I wouldn’t. It should always be the incoming managers choice and in fairness to our club, they always do seem to let the managers pick their staff.
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Agree 100%. The manger has to be happy with his team.
My issue is with how the coaches are judged when none of us have a clue how good they are. You could have the best coach in the world, but if the manager is listening or doesn't want to take on their ideas, you aren't going to see their value.
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Ole didn't do any of the training. These coaches did. That's on them as some of the players look like they haven't seen a football before.
Can't blame Ole for everything. McKenna and Carrick are not top experienced coaches. They are learning on the job at the biggest club in the world.
If it was happening elsewhere we'd laugh our heads off.
Is it? What interims that have worked in England are available? Working in England shouldn’t be a prerequisite for the job. Ole had worked in England before we got him. Tuchel, Pep, Klopp and Conte hadn’t before joining big English clubs. Look how that worked out.
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comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 19 seconds ago
Stretford - trust me I believe carrick etc should of all walked when ole was sacked as they were also a big reason Ole failed. They shouldn’t be here now.
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Why should they have left with 3 days before a crucial CL game? Who else would be in charge ? Phil Jones ?
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Yeah they couldn't leave on Sunday given the Villarreal game absolutely.
They should all leave for me though when we appoint the next manager. They have failed under Jose and Ole. They aren't good enough for us.
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I agree they should all leave once Poch or whoever comes in. But have no issue with them taking games until then
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I don't think that any of us can say for certain how good these guys are. We are all just guessing.
For instance, in just one game Carrick has started Sancho on the right and started VDB. Who knows what others changes he would make? Or how his opinions differ to Ole's?
He could be just as much to blame as Ole. Or maybe Ole was set in his ways and didn't really listen too much to his coaches? We just don't know.
That isn't to say that we should keep Carrick et al. As I'd hope that they new manager has his own team that he knows and trusts. But it makes me laugh how people form opinions on how good these coaches are when we have no idea how the inner workings of Ole's coaching team.
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I’m not as entrenched as UWW on this. I would lean towards doubting the coaching ability of Carrick and McKenna but how much of that was down to working with Ole ?
If Poch for example came in and sat down with them and thought their ideas matched his then I’d be fine with them staying on. If they were forced upon Poch then I wouldn’t. It should always be the incoming managers choice and in fairness to our club, they always do seem to let the managers pick their staff.
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Agree 100%. The manger has to be happy with his team.
My issue is with how the coaches are judged when none of us have a clue how good they are. You could have the best coach in the world, but if the manager is listening or doesn't want to take on their ideas, you aren't going to see their value.
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Ole didn't do any of the training. These coaches did. That's on them as some of the players look like they haven't seen a football before.
Can't blame Ole for everything. McKenna and Carrick are not top experienced coaches. They are learning on the job at the biggest club in the world.
If it was happening elsewhere we'd laugh our heads off.
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I'm not blaming everything on Ole. I am saying that none of us have an idea about what went on between the coaching team. Obviously the coaches train the players in a regular basis, but it is Ole that decides on how we are going to play. The coaches then have to train the players to play that way.
That doesn't mean that they agree with Ole's ideas, tactics, team selections etc. They are just trying to implement Ole's approach.
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comment by Shugs (U14253)
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comment by HB Fash (U21935)
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Stumbling about in the dark picking names now.
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We don't expect anything else from our owners
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I'd like to think of it more as pin the tail on the donkey.
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Visions of murtough sitting on transfermrkt looking through the available managers list and checking who's been at a big club at some point
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
Is it? What interims that have worked in England are available? Working in England shouldn’t be a prerequisite for the job. Ole had worked in England before we got him. Tuchel, Pep, Klopp and Conte hadn’t before joining big English clubs. Look how that worked out.
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Tuchel Pep Klopp and Conte were established coaches on the international stage and weren't forced to work with the failed coaches left behind from the last two managers.
Big difference there my friend.
No issue with an international coach coming in but just don't think it will work having them make do with Carrick and McKenna. Anyone who takes that job for 6 months on those terms must be truly desperate.
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comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
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comment by HB Fash (U21935)
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Stumbling about in the dark picking names now.
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We don't expect anything else from our owners
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I'd like to think of it more as pin the tail on the donkey.
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Visions of murtough sitting on transfermrkt looking through the available managers list and checking who's been at a big club at some point
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"Darren? Darren? Who is the Roy Hodgson fella?"
That didn’t answer the question or understand the point.
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comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 19 seconds ago
Stretford - trust me I believe carrick etc should of all walked when ole was sacked as they were also a big reason Ole failed. They shouldn’t be here now.
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Why should they have left with 3 days before a crucial CL game? Who else would be in charge ? Phil Jones ?
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Yeah they couldn't leave on Sunday given the Villarreal game absolutely.
They should all leave for me though when we appoint the next manager. They have failed under Jose and Ole. They aren't good enough for us.
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I agree they should all leave once Poch or whoever comes in. But have no issue with them taking games until then
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I don't think that any of us can say for certain how good these guys are. We are all just guessing.
For instance, in just one game Carrick has started Sancho on the right and started VDB. Who knows what others changes he would make? Or how his opinions differ to Ole's?
He could be just as much to blame as Ole. Or maybe Ole was set in his ways and didn't really listen too much to his coaches? We just don't know.
That isn't to say that we should keep Carrick et al. As I'd hope that they new manager has his own team that he knows and trusts. But it makes me laugh how people form opinions on how good these coaches are when we have no idea how the inner workings of Ole's coaching team.
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I’m not as entrenched as UWW on this. I would lean towards doubting the coaching ability of Carrick and McKenna but how much of that was down to working with Ole ?
If Poch for example came in and sat down with them and thought their ideas matched his then I’d be fine with them staying on. If they were forced upon Poch then I wouldn’t. It should always be the incoming managers choice and in fairness to our club, they always do seem to let the managers pick their staff.
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Agree 100%. The manger has to be happy with his team.
My issue is with how the coaches are judged when none of us have a clue how good they are. You could have the best coach in the world, but if the manager is listening or doesn't want to take on their ideas, you aren't going to see their value.
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Ole didn't do any of the training. These coaches did. That's on them as some of the players look like they haven't seen a football before.
Can't blame Ole for everything. McKenna and Carrick are not top experienced coaches. They are learning on the job at the biggest club in the world.
If it was happening elsewhere we'd laugh our heads off.
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I'm not blaming everything on Ole. I am saying that none of us have an idea about what went on between the coaching team. Obviously the coaches train the players in a regular basis, but it is Ole that decides on how we are going to play. The coaches then have to train the players to play that way.
That doesn't mean that they agree with Ole's ideas, tactics, team selections etc. They are just trying to implement Ole's approach.
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If they didn't agree with any of it and went along with him anyway then they are equally culpable. Grow some balls and respectfully tell Ole where he's going wrong.
I don't think anyone truly believes these two and Phelan are anything like best in class. We've been left behind by the other elite clubs in Europe.
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 41 seconds ago
That didn’t answer the question or understand the point.
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What point was it that you were trying to make?
If United have identified the next long term manager then they must be committed to landing him whatever it takes. It wont be good enough to say in another 2 years that the man they hired after Ole wasnt really the man they wanted, who was unavailable. The club really has to get this one right. If it involves waiting for him... then United will have to wait and have an interim manager in charge until then. This is bizzare, and I have never heard of thisscenarion before... and the club must be prepared (legally) to bin the interim no matter how well he does, when the time comes. In other words if United do appoint an 'elite' and probably foreign, interim manager, he would have to be a bit of a mug!.
On the flip side making an internal appointment for an interim out of the existing coaches is a major gamble. Only Phelan has managerial experience over Carrick, McK
It seems from where I look that Potch is 'Their Man' . Rightly or wrongly. United might get lucky over their new chosen one, if it is true that the stars could align with ZZ ready to move to Paris then which could mean they have Potch installed by Christmas.
That getting someone that has worked in England before isn’t the best choice for securing top four.
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 52 seconds ago
That getting someone that has worked in England before isn’t the best choice for securing top four.
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It's not what I said. I said that getting somebody from outside of England is fine but making them agree to working with coaches they don't know seems strange.
Anyone who takes a 6month contract with us under those terms is desperate. We don't want a desperate man at the helm.
Not sure why anyone is too fussed about this... He'd be an interim coach so what does it matter... I can't imagine he would come in without at least one assistant.
Carrick and the lads can just help smooth the transition. United is a big club and anyone coming in midseason, with no previous connection to the club will need all the help he can get.
The whole lot of them should be gone by the time the new permanent manager steps in...
Anyone who takes a 6month contract with us under those terms is desperate. We don't want a desperate man at the helm.
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exactly.
It's not what I said. I said that getting somebody from outside of England is fine but making them agree to working with coaches they don't know seems strange.
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What? Did you even read what you typed?
This is what you posted:
Our best chance at getting 4th is not experimenting with an interim coach who has never worked in England before, let alone worked with Carrick and McKenna, surely?
No issue with an international coach coming in but just don't think it will work having them make do with Carrick and McKenna. Anyone who takes that job for 6 months on those terms must be truly desperate.
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The they are not right for the job if they can not dictate to the coaches how they want them to coach.
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comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
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comment by Robbb Pochettino (U22716)
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comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 19 seconds ago
Stretford - trust me I believe carrick etc should of all walked when ole was sacked as they were also a big reason Ole failed. They shouldn’t be here now.
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Why should they have left with 3 days before a crucial CL game? Who else would be in charge ? Phil Jones ?
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Yeah they couldn't leave on Sunday given the Villarreal game absolutely.
They should all leave for me though when we appoint the next manager. They have failed under Jose and Ole. They aren't good enough for us.
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I agree they should all leave once Poch or whoever comes in. But have no issue with them taking games until then
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I don't think that any of us can say for certain how good these guys are. We are all just guessing.
For instance, in just one game Carrick has started Sancho on the right and started VDB. Who knows what others changes he would make? Or how his opinions differ to Ole's?
He could be just as much to blame as Ole. Or maybe Ole was set in his ways and didn't really listen too much to his coaches? We just don't know.
That isn't to say that we should keep Carrick et al. As I'd hope that they new manager has his own team that he knows and trusts. But it makes me laugh how people form opinions on how good these coaches are when we have no idea how the inner workings of Ole's coaching team.
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I’m not as entrenched as UWW on this. I would lean towards doubting the coaching ability of Carrick and McKenna but how much of that was down to working with Ole ?
If Poch for example came in and sat down with them and thought their ideas matched his then I’d be fine with them staying on. If they were forced upon Poch then I wouldn’t. It should always be the incoming managers choice and in fairness to our club, they always do seem to let the managers pick their staff.
posted on 24/11/21
Rudi Garcia is much more appealing than Valverde for me
Interim is odd tho... Does he get any money in January... Are we wanting a continuation in playing style from the interim to the new permanent manager in the summer... Assuming the club know who they want... Or do the players adapt to a 3rd approach inside a year.
Garcias lyon team were a decent watch
posted on 24/11/21
Stumbling about in the dark picking names now.
posted on 24/11/21
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 13 seconds ago
Stumbling about in the dark picking names now.
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We don't expect anything else from our owners
posted on 24/11/21
comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 42 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 13 seconds ago
Stumbling about in the dark picking names now.
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We don't expect anything else from our owners
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I wish they'd all stumble around in the dark on the motorway. 😂
posted on 24/11/21
I doubt a continuation in playing style will be that important to the club. The risk of missing out on the CL is big, results are all that will matter to them. And to get results we need someone that can organise the defence, we’ll should get enough goals with our attacking options.
posted on 24/11/21
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posted 19 seconds ago
Stretford - trust me I believe carrick etc should of all walked when ole was sacked as they were also a big reason Ole failed. They shouldn’t be here now.
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Why should they have left with 3 days before a crucial CL game? Who else would be in charge ? Phil Jones ?
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Yeah they couldn't leave on Sunday given the Villarreal game absolutely.
They should all leave for me though when we appoint the next manager. They have failed under Jose and Ole. They aren't good enough for us.
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I agree they should all leave once Poch or whoever comes in. But have no issue with them taking games until then
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I don't think that any of us can say for certain how good these guys are. We are all just guessing.
For instance, in just one game Carrick has started Sancho on the right and started VDB. Who knows what others changes he would make? Or how his opinions differ to Ole's?
He could be just as much to blame as Ole. Or maybe Ole was set in his ways and didn't really listen too much to his coaches? We just don't know.
That isn't to say that we should keep Carrick et al. As I'd hope that they new manager has his own team that he knows and trusts. But it makes me laugh how people form opinions on how good these coaches are when we have no idea how the inner workings of Ole's coaching team.
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I’m not as entrenched as UWW on this. I would lean towards doubting the coaching ability of Carrick and McKenna but how much of that was down to working with Ole ?
If Poch for example came in and sat down with them and thought their ideas matched his then I’d be fine with them staying on. If they were forced upon Poch then I wouldn’t. It should always be the incoming managers choice and in fairness to our club, they always do seem to let the managers pick their staff.
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Agree 100%. The manger has to be happy with his team.
My issue is with how the coaches are judged when none of us have a clue how good they are. You could have the best coach in the world, but if the manager is listening or doesn't want to take on their ideas, you aren't going to see their value.
posted on 24/11/21
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
I doubt a continuation in playing style will be that important to the club. The risk of missing out on the CL is big, results are all that will matter to them. And to get results we need someone that can organise the defence, we’ll should get enough goals with our attacking options.
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Our best chance at getting 4th is not experimenting with an interim coach who has never worked in England before, let alone worked with Carrick and McKenna, surely?
Like most things these parasites do.....it will backfire spectacularly if this is the plan.
posted on 24/11/21
comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 13 seconds ago
Stumbling about in the dark picking names now.
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We don't expect anything else from our owners
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I'd like to think of it more as pin the tail on the donkey.
posted on 24/11/21
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by Robbb Pochettino (U22716)
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comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
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comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 19 seconds ago
Stretford - trust me I believe carrick etc should of all walked when ole was sacked as they were also a big reason Ole failed. They shouldn’t be here now.
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Why should they have left with 3 days before a crucial CL game? Who else would be in charge ? Phil Jones ?
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Yeah they couldn't leave on Sunday given the Villarreal game absolutely.
They should all leave for me though when we appoint the next manager. They have failed under Jose and Ole. They aren't good enough for us.
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I agree they should all leave once Poch or whoever comes in. But have no issue with them taking games until then
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I don't think that any of us can say for certain how good these guys are. We are all just guessing.
For instance, in just one game Carrick has started Sancho on the right and started VDB. Who knows what others changes he would make? Or how his opinions differ to Ole's?
He could be just as much to blame as Ole. Or maybe Ole was set in his ways and didn't really listen too much to his coaches? We just don't know.
That isn't to say that we should keep Carrick et al. As I'd hope that they new manager has his own team that he knows and trusts. But it makes me laugh how people form opinions on how good these coaches are when we have no idea how the inner workings of Ole's coaching team.
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I’m not as entrenched as UWW on this. I would lean towards doubting the coaching ability of Carrick and McKenna but how much of that was down to working with Ole ?
If Poch for example came in and sat down with them and thought their ideas matched his then I’d be fine with them staying on. If they were forced upon Poch then I wouldn’t. It should always be the incoming managers choice and in fairness to our club, they always do seem to let the managers pick their staff.
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Agree 100%. The manger has to be happy with his team.
My issue is with how the coaches are judged when none of us have a clue how good they are. You could have the best coach in the world, but if the manager is listening or doesn't want to take on their ideas, you aren't going to see their value.
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Ole didn't do any of the training. These coaches did. That's on them as some of the players look like they haven't seen a football before.
Can't blame Ole for everything. McKenna and Carrick are not top experienced coaches. They are learning on the job at the biggest club in the world.
If it was happening elsewhere we'd laugh our heads off.
posted on 24/11/21
Is it? What interims that have worked in England are available? Working in England shouldn’t be a prerequisite for the job. Ole had worked in England before we got him. Tuchel, Pep, Klopp and Conte hadn’t before joining big English clubs. Look how that worked out.
posted on 24/11/21
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Stretford - trust me I believe carrick etc should of all walked when ole was sacked as they were also a big reason Ole failed. They shouldn’t be here now.
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Why should they have left with 3 days before a crucial CL game? Who else would be in charge ? Phil Jones ?
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Yeah they couldn't leave on Sunday given the Villarreal game absolutely.
They should all leave for me though when we appoint the next manager. They have failed under Jose and Ole. They aren't good enough for us.
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I agree they should all leave once Poch or whoever comes in. But have no issue with them taking games until then
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I don't think that any of us can say for certain how good these guys are. We are all just guessing.
For instance, in just one game Carrick has started Sancho on the right and started VDB. Who knows what others changes he would make? Or how his opinions differ to Ole's?
He could be just as much to blame as Ole. Or maybe Ole was set in his ways and didn't really listen too much to his coaches? We just don't know.
That isn't to say that we should keep Carrick et al. As I'd hope that they new manager has his own team that he knows and trusts. But it makes me laugh how people form opinions on how good these coaches are when we have no idea how the inner workings of Ole's coaching team.
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I’m not as entrenched as UWW on this. I would lean towards doubting the coaching ability of Carrick and McKenna but how much of that was down to working with Ole ?
If Poch for example came in and sat down with them and thought their ideas matched his then I’d be fine with them staying on. If they were forced upon Poch then I wouldn’t. It should always be the incoming managers choice and in fairness to our club, they always do seem to let the managers pick their staff.
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Agree 100%. The manger has to be happy with his team.
My issue is with how the coaches are judged when none of us have a clue how good they are. You could have the best coach in the world, but if the manager is listening or doesn't want to take on their ideas, you aren't going to see their value.
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Ole didn't do any of the training. These coaches did. That's on them as some of the players look like they haven't seen a football before.
Can't blame Ole for everything. McKenna and Carrick are not top experienced coaches. They are learning on the job at the biggest club in the world.
If it was happening elsewhere we'd laugh our heads off.
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I'm not blaming everything on Ole. I am saying that none of us have an idea about what went on between the coaching team. Obviously the coaches train the players in a regular basis, but it is Ole that decides on how we are going to play. The coaches then have to train the players to play that way.
That doesn't mean that they agree with Ole's ideas, tactics, team selections etc. They are just trying to implement Ole's approach.
posted on 24/11/21
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Stumbling about in the dark picking names now.
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We don't expect anything else from our owners
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I'd like to think of it more as pin the tail on the donkey.
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Visions of murtough sitting on transfermrkt looking through the available managers list and checking who's been at a big club at some point
posted on 24/11/21
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
Is it? What interims that have worked in England are available? Working in England shouldn’t be a prerequisite for the job. Ole had worked in England before we got him. Tuchel, Pep, Klopp and Conte hadn’t before joining big English clubs. Look how that worked out.
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Tuchel Pep Klopp and Conte were established coaches on the international stage and weren't forced to work with the failed coaches left behind from the last two managers.
Big difference there my friend.
No issue with an international coach coming in but just don't think it will work having them make do with Carrick and McKenna. Anyone who takes that job for 6 months on those terms must be truly desperate.
posted on 24/11/21
comment by Shugs (U14253)
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comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
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comment by Shugs (U14253)
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comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 13 seconds ago
Stumbling about in the dark picking names now.
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We don't expect anything else from our owners
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I'd like to think of it more as pin the tail on the donkey.
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Visions of murtough sitting on transfermrkt looking through the available managers list and checking who's been at a big club at some point
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"Darren? Darren? Who is the Roy Hodgson fella?"
posted on 24/11/21
That didn’t answer the question or understand the point.
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comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
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comment by Glazers_Out (SE85) (U21241)
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comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
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comment by Robbb Pochettino (U22716)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
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comment by Robbb Pochettino (U22716)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Glazers_Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by Robbb Pochettino (U22716)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 19 seconds ago
Stretford - trust me I believe carrick etc should of all walked when ole was sacked as they were also a big reason Ole failed. They shouldn’t be here now.
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Why should they have left with 3 days before a crucial CL game? Who else would be in charge ? Phil Jones ?
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Yeah they couldn't leave on Sunday given the Villarreal game absolutely.
They should all leave for me though when we appoint the next manager. They have failed under Jose and Ole. They aren't good enough for us.
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I agree they should all leave once Poch or whoever comes in. But have no issue with them taking games until then
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I don't think that any of us can say for certain how good these guys are. We are all just guessing.
For instance, in just one game Carrick has started Sancho on the right and started VDB. Who knows what others changes he would make? Or how his opinions differ to Ole's?
He could be just as much to blame as Ole. Or maybe Ole was set in his ways and didn't really listen too much to his coaches? We just don't know.
That isn't to say that we should keep Carrick et al. As I'd hope that they new manager has his own team that he knows and trusts. But it makes me laugh how people form opinions on how good these coaches are when we have no idea how the inner workings of Ole's coaching team.
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I’m not as entrenched as UWW on this. I would lean towards doubting the coaching ability of Carrick and McKenna but how much of that was down to working with Ole ?
If Poch for example came in and sat down with them and thought their ideas matched his then I’d be fine with them staying on. If they were forced upon Poch then I wouldn’t. It should always be the incoming managers choice and in fairness to our club, they always do seem to let the managers pick their staff.
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Agree 100%. The manger has to be happy with his team.
My issue is with how the coaches are judged when none of us have a clue how good they are. You could have the best coach in the world, but if the manager is listening or doesn't want to take on their ideas, you aren't going to see their value.
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Ole didn't do any of the training. These coaches did. That's on them as some of the players look like they haven't seen a football before.
Can't blame Ole for everything. McKenna and Carrick are not top experienced coaches. They are learning on the job at the biggest club in the world.
If it was happening elsewhere we'd laugh our heads off.
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I'm not blaming everything on Ole. I am saying that none of us have an idea about what went on between the coaching team. Obviously the coaches train the players in a regular basis, but it is Ole that decides on how we are going to play. The coaches then have to train the players to play that way.
That doesn't mean that they agree with Ole's ideas, tactics, team selections etc. They are just trying to implement Ole's approach.
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If they didn't agree with any of it and went along with him anyway then they are equally culpable. Grow some balls and respectfully tell Ole where he's going wrong.
I don't think anyone truly believes these two and Phelan are anything like best in class. We've been left behind by the other elite clubs in Europe.
posted on 24/11/21
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 41 seconds ago
That didn’t answer the question or understand the point.
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What point was it that you were trying to make?
posted on 24/11/21
If United have identified the next long term manager then they must be committed to landing him whatever it takes. It wont be good enough to say in another 2 years that the man they hired after Ole wasnt really the man they wanted, who was unavailable. The club really has to get this one right. If it involves waiting for him... then United will have to wait and have an interim manager in charge until then. This is bizzare, and I have never heard of thisscenarion before... and the club must be prepared (legally) to bin the interim no matter how well he does, when the time comes. In other words if United do appoint an 'elite' and probably foreign, interim manager, he would have to be a bit of a mug!.
On the flip side making an internal appointment for an interim out of the existing coaches is a major gamble. Only Phelan has managerial experience over Carrick, McK
It seems from where I look that Potch is 'Their Man' . Rightly or wrongly. United might get lucky over their new chosen one, if it is true that the stars could align with ZZ ready to move to Paris then which could mean they have Potch installed by Christmas.
posted on 24/11/21
That getting someone that has worked in England before isn’t the best choice for securing top four.
posted on 24/11/21
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 52 seconds ago
That getting someone that has worked in England before isn’t the best choice for securing top four.
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It's not what I said. I said that getting somebody from outside of England is fine but making them agree to working with coaches they don't know seems strange.
Anyone who takes a 6month contract with us under those terms is desperate. We don't want a desperate man at the helm.
posted on 24/11/21
Not sure why anyone is too fussed about this... He'd be an interim coach so what does it matter... I can't imagine he would come in without at least one assistant.
Carrick and the lads can just help smooth the transition. United is a big club and anyone coming in midseason, with no previous connection to the club will need all the help he can get.
The whole lot of them should be gone by the time the new permanent manager steps in...
posted on 24/11/21
Anyone who takes a 6month contract with us under those terms is desperate. We don't want a desperate man at the helm.
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exactly.
posted on 24/11/21
It's not what I said. I said that getting somebody from outside of England is fine but making them agree to working with coaches they don't know seems strange.
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What? Did you even read what you typed?
This is what you posted:
Our best chance at getting 4th is not experimenting with an interim coach who has never worked in England before, let alone worked with Carrick and McKenna, surely?
posted on 24/11/21
No issue with an international coach coming in but just don't think it will work having them make do with Carrick and McKenna. Anyone who takes that job for 6 months on those terms must be truly desperate.
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The they are not right for the job if they can not dictate to the coaches how they want them to coach.
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