comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Glazers_Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 6 minutes ago
You don't just walk into a club in Nov / Dec though and get total strangers on your wavelength.
……
Why not? Tuchel did.
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Didnt he bring a coaching team with him?
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Not as far as I know.
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You hear of managers bringing a trusted assistant with them. That is common. But a whole coaching staff?
Interesting factoid about Tuchel: before they hired him, he apparently asked the Chelsea hierarchy whether they were really sure they wanted to change managers, because if you looked at the data, Lampard's Chelsea were better than the results suggested.
I saw this on Twitter, so caveats apply, though it was a fairly reputable account. Above all, a really interesting insight into Tuchel's mind. But also an illustration of the fine lines between excellence and something less than excellence: in this line of thinking, Chelsea were already doing things just about right, but we all see how the additional fine tuning and attention to detail transformed the team. I guess it's hard to capture that level of finessing in statistics (apart from the most basic ones like matches won) because the adjustments are relatively microscopic.
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 18 minutes ago
The 442 out of possession is something most managers have done with Ronaldo in their team since Ancelotti started doing it at Madrid.
The abilities of the coaching set up at United is clearly something that should be scrutinised. There’s a lot of things in our play that were so common under Fergie’s latter years - and they weren’t good things - that obviously has to be coming from Phelan.
Even it the ideas that are being implemented are coming from Ole, the staff have a responsibility to drill them into the players, and that’s clearly a huge issue in this side.
Not that this absolves Ole of blame. They are his guys and if he trusted them to implement his plans, but didn’t address when it wasn’t working, then he only has himself to blame.
Any interim isn’t going to solve all our problems, but nobody thinks that anyway. Changes can be made even with the current coaching staff, however, as an interim may be more hands on with the coaching and just have different ideas from Ole that can see changes in how we play.
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Why do we assume implementation by the coaches was poor. They implemented them better earlier. Use to have one of the best defence in the league. Our structure was well known. Did Oles system deserve any credit?
For me this teams problem is 75% mental. If we signed conte, this team would probably go on an absolute tear because he would give them the mentality he would give them. When the managers voice is not being heard, this happens.
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 minutes ago
Our coaches were equally to blame as Ole. In fact given they did all the coaching sessions I think more so actually.
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As Elvis has pointed out, this assumption is totally evidence free. People are assuming all the coaching staff are terrible because the football was bad, but we don't know how much influence they had on the actual design of the sessions or the decisions around tactics. If you ask great coaches to train people to do things that won't work on the pitch, it's not the fault of the coaches. Last night, as Elvis has also pointed out, was a clear illustration not that Carrick is a fantastic coach, but at least of the fact that he has significantly different tactical ideas from the ones Solskjaer was using. He was willing to drop two of our more productive attacking players in order to create a more rigorous defensive structure, came up with the new approach of playing a 4-4-2 out of possession which switched to something closer to a 4-3-3 when we had the ball. He's very clearly not a clone of Solskjaer, and very clearly had ideas that weren't adopted when Solskjaer was his boss. This is one of the few things for which we actually have concrete evidence.
As I said in my post last night, the rot in dysfunctional organisations tends to start at the top, and is often reflected in the failure to listen to better ideas, which are often actually floating around. That's not to suggest that Carrick and the rest of the team are definitely required in the long term. I can't know that. But I'm afraid the idea that you should sack everyone overnight and assume there's no valuable knowledge about this group of players that the new regime would benefit from within the current staff is pretty stupid.
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Why you got to come on here, explain my ideas better than me and make me look god damn inarticulate?
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I thought you made the same point very well, Elvis.
comment by Robbb Pochettino (U22716)
posted 7 minutes ago
Poch Update #4
We’ve made our first approach for Poch in the past hour and PSG have knocked it back. Gonna have to go back with a better offer.
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They don't want Phil Jones?
comment by Robbb Pochettino (U22716)
posted 9 minutes ago
Poch Update #4
We’ve made our first approach for Poch in the past hour and PSG have knocked it back. Gonna have to go back with a better offer.
How does it work with managers? Players can be stopped from moving but do managers have the same protection? Or do they always have the power to walk away if some compensation is paid?
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Apparently Poch doesn't have a clause in his contract. No idea what that means.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Glazers_Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 6 minutes ago
You don't just walk into a club in Nov / Dec though and get total strangers on your wavelength.
……
Why not? Tuchel did.
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Didnt he bring a coaching team with him?
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Not as far as I know.
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You hear of managers bringing a trusted assistant with them. That is common. But a whole coaching staff?
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Zsolt Low and Arno Michels moved to Chelsea a few weeks after he joined. Just googled it. Previous coaches he's worked with. They also brought into a 3rd new guy who does the player data analysis and he had also worked with Tuchel before.
Exactly proves my point.
Hopefully this isn't how it's going to plan out for us but knowing us it probably will do.
Why do we assume implementation by the coaches was poor.
———
Because I doubt it was Ole’s plan and instruction to have us playing poorly for three years.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 minutes ago
Interesting factoid about Tuchel: before they hired him, he apparently asked the Chelsea hierarchy whether they were really sure they wanted to change managers, because if you looked at the data, Lampard's Chelsea were better than the results suggested.
I saw this on Twitter, so caveats apply, though it was a fairly reputable account. Above all, a really interesting insight into Tuchel's mind. But also an illustration of the fine lines between excellence and something less than excellence: in this line of thinking, Chelsea were already doing things just about right, but we all see how the additional fine tuning and attention to detail transformed the team. I guess it's hard to capture that level of finessing in statistics (apart from the most basic ones like matches won) because the adjustments are relatively microscopic.
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All he really did was change their formation to more suit the players they had. Something Ole just did not do.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 minutes ago
Our coaches were equally to blame as Ole. In fact given they did all the coaching sessions I think more so actually.
-------------------------------------------------------------------
As Elvis has pointed out, this assumption is totally evidence free. People are assuming all the coaching staff are terrible because the football was bad, but we don't know how much influence they had on the actual design of the sessions or the decisions around tactics. If you ask great coaches to train people to do things that won't work on the pitch, it's not the fault of the coaches. Last night, as Elvis has also pointed out, was a clear illustration not that Carrick is a fantastic coach, but at least of the fact that he has significantly different tactical ideas from the ones Solskjaer was using. He was willing to drop two of our more productive attacking players in order to create a more rigorous defensive structure, came up with the new approach of playing a 4-4-2 out of possession which switched to something closer to a 4-3-3 when we had the ball. He's very clearly not a clone of Solskjaer, and very clearly had ideas that weren't adopted when Solskjaer was his boss. This is one of the few things for which we actually have concrete evidence.
As I said in my post last night, the rot in dysfunctional organisations tends to start at the top, and is often reflected in the failure to listen to better ideas, which are often actually floating around. That's not to suggest that Carrick and the rest of the team are definitely required in the long term. I can't know that. But I'm afraid the idea that you should sack everyone overnight and assume there's no valuable knowledge about this group of players that the new regime would benefit from within the current staff is pretty stupid.
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Why you got to come on here, explain my ideas better than me and make me look god damn inarticulate?
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I thought you made the same point very well, Elvis.
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Don't patronise me.
Exactly proves my point.
…..
It does not really. Tuchel is still working with some of Lampards coaches. And more importantly how do you know that whoever we appoint as interim will not bring some new coaches in?
TalkSport reporting that PSG have turned down an approach from Utd to talk to Poch... maybe the wheels have started turning
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 37 minutes ago
Our coaches were equally to blame as Ole. In fact given they did all the coaching sessions I think more so actually.
-------------------------------------------------------------------
As Elvis has pointed out, this assumption is totally evidence free. People are assuming all the coaching staff are terrible because the football was bad, but we don't know how much influence they had on the actual design of the sessions or the decisions around tactics. If you ask great coaches to train people to do things that won't work on the pitch, it's not the fault of the coaches. Last night, as Elvis has also pointed out, was a clear illustration not that Carrick is a fantastic coach, but at least of the fact that he has significantly different tactical ideas from the ones Solskjaer was using. He was willing to drop two of our more productive attacking players in order to create a more rigorous defensive structure, came up with the new approach of playing a 4-4-2 out of possession which switched to something closer to a 4-3-3 when we had the ball. He's very clearly not a clone of Solskjaer, and very clearly had ideas that weren't adopted when Solskjaer was his boss. This is one of the few things for which we actually have concrete evidence.
As I said in my post last night, the rot in dysfunctional organisations tends to start at the top, and is often reflected in the failure to listen to better ideas, which are often actually floating around. That's not to suggest that Carrick and the rest of the team are definitely required in the long term. I can't know that. But I'm afraid the idea that you should sack everyone overnight and assume there's no valuable knowledge about this group of players that the new regime would benefit from within the current staff is pretty stupid.
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scholsey gave a little more insight of how it worked under Ole at Carrington on BT Sports last night before the game. He suggested that ole was more of a man manager than a coach. In fact he left the responsibility of day to day coaching completely to McK as the No1 and Carrick and Phelan and trusted them as a team, to implement the 'vision' of himself, Murtough and Fletcher, emphatically. Probably too much in scholseys opinion, which was a main reason for his downfall as far as he was concerned.
Could explain why the players seemed confused in the end as to what they were supposed to be doing with the ball and by whom.
Why not Southgate as an interim?
Just signed a new long terms deal with England so won't want the job after May.
Knows the PL.
Can get Maguire to look like he'll score from corners.
Won't rock the boat.
Will have us playing attacking, front foot, football.
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 2 minutes ago
Why not Southgate as an interim?
Just signed a new long terms deal with England so won't want the job after May.
Knows the PL.
Can get Maguire to look like he'll score from corners.
Won't rock the boat.
Will have us playing attacking, front foot, football.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We're 5 good right backs short of playing a Southgate system.
Gareth Southgate and Mike Phelan were both created in the same beige hell the bible speaks of
comment by Robbb Pochettino (U22716)
posted 1 minute ago
Gareth Southgate and Mike Phelan were both created in the same beige hell the bible speaks of
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That's unfair on Southgate. Nobody knows what Mike Phelan actually does.
comment by The Post Nearly Mancho (U1270)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robbb Pochettino (U22716)
posted 1 minute ago
Gareth Southgate and Mike Phelan were both created in the same beige hell the bible speaks of
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That's unfair on Southgate. Nobody knows what Mike Phelan actually does.
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I assume it involves collecting dossiers on managers. Tbf it seems he’s good at that.
comment by Robbb Pochettino (U22716)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by The Post Nearly Mancho (U1270)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robbb Pochettino (U22716)
posted 1 minute ago
Gareth Southgate and Mike Phelan were both created in the same beige hell the bible speaks of
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That's unfair on Southgate. Nobody knows what Mike Phelan actually does.
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I assume it involves collecting dossiers on managers. Tbf it seems he’s good at that.
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Someone else writes them, he just goes round to collect them
comment by The Post Nearly Mancho (U1270)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robbb Pochettino (U22716)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by The Post Nearly Mancho (U1270)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robbb Pochettino (U22716)
posted 1 minute ago
Gareth Southgate and Mike Phelan were both created in the same beige hell the bible speaks of
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That's unfair on Southgate. Nobody knows what Mike Phelan actually does.
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I assume it involves collecting dossiers on managers. Tbf it seems he’s good at that.
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Someone else writes them, he just goes round to collect them
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Dossiers and cones. Whattaguy
Rumours that Favre, Valverde, Garcia, Ragnick and one other are being discussed for the interim job.
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 1 hour, 27 minutes ago
Rumours that Favre, Valverde, Garcia, Ragnick and one other are being discussed for the interim job.
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Valverde > Ragnick > Favre would be my order of preference
Knew nothing about Rangnick before a few weeks ago but it sounds like his football would be fun to watch at least. Comes across a bit like the German Bielsa.
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 1 minute ago
Knew nothing about Rangnick before a few weeks ago but it sounds like his football would be fun to watch at least. Comes across a bit like the German Bielsa.
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He's a proper footballing coach, probably Bielsa without the craziness and better football with results
Neither of them have ever really got that good results in their career, though.
I’d probably prefer Favre of the names mentioned. His teams play some enjoyable football.
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posted on 24/11/21
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Glazers_Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 6 minutes ago
You don't just walk into a club in Nov / Dec though and get total strangers on your wavelength.
……
Why not? Tuchel did.
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Didnt he bring a coaching team with him?
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Not as far as I know.
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You hear of managers bringing a trusted assistant with them. That is common. But a whole coaching staff?
posted on 24/11/21
Interesting factoid about Tuchel: before they hired him, he apparently asked the Chelsea hierarchy whether they were really sure they wanted to change managers, because if you looked at the data, Lampard's Chelsea were better than the results suggested.
I saw this on Twitter, so caveats apply, though it was a fairly reputable account. Above all, a really interesting insight into Tuchel's mind. But also an illustration of the fine lines between excellence and something less than excellence: in this line of thinking, Chelsea were already doing things just about right, but we all see how the additional fine tuning and attention to detail transformed the team. I guess it's hard to capture that level of finessing in statistics (apart from the most basic ones like matches won) because the adjustments are relatively microscopic.
posted on 24/11/21
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 18 minutes ago
The 442 out of possession is something most managers have done with Ronaldo in their team since Ancelotti started doing it at Madrid.
The abilities of the coaching set up at United is clearly something that should be scrutinised. There’s a lot of things in our play that were so common under Fergie’s latter years - and they weren’t good things - that obviously has to be coming from Phelan.
Even it the ideas that are being implemented are coming from Ole, the staff have a responsibility to drill them into the players, and that’s clearly a huge issue in this side.
Not that this absolves Ole of blame. They are his guys and if he trusted them to implement his plans, but didn’t address when it wasn’t working, then he only has himself to blame.
Any interim isn’t going to solve all our problems, but nobody thinks that anyway. Changes can be made even with the current coaching staff, however, as an interim may be more hands on with the coaching and just have different ideas from Ole that can see changes in how we play.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why do we assume implementation by the coaches was poor. They implemented them better earlier. Use to have one of the best defence in the league. Our structure was well known. Did Oles system deserve any credit?
For me this teams problem is 75% mental. If we signed conte, this team would probably go on an absolute tear because he would give them the mentality he would give them. When the managers voice is not being heard, this happens.
posted on 24/11/21
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 minutes ago
Our coaches were equally to blame as Ole. In fact given they did all the coaching sessions I think more so actually.
-------------------------------------------------------------------
As Elvis has pointed out, this assumption is totally evidence free. People are assuming all the coaching staff are terrible because the football was bad, but we don't know how much influence they had on the actual design of the sessions or the decisions around tactics. If you ask great coaches to train people to do things that won't work on the pitch, it's not the fault of the coaches. Last night, as Elvis has also pointed out, was a clear illustration not that Carrick is a fantastic coach, but at least of the fact that he has significantly different tactical ideas from the ones Solskjaer was using. He was willing to drop two of our more productive attacking players in order to create a more rigorous defensive structure, came up with the new approach of playing a 4-4-2 out of possession which switched to something closer to a 4-3-3 when we had the ball. He's very clearly not a clone of Solskjaer, and very clearly had ideas that weren't adopted when Solskjaer was his boss. This is one of the few things for which we actually have concrete evidence.
As I said in my post last night, the rot in dysfunctional organisations tends to start at the top, and is often reflected in the failure to listen to better ideas, which are often actually floating around. That's not to suggest that Carrick and the rest of the team are definitely required in the long term. I can't know that. But I'm afraid the idea that you should sack everyone overnight and assume there's no valuable knowledge about this group of players that the new regime would benefit from within the current staff is pretty stupid.
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Why you got to come on here, explain my ideas better than me and make me look god damn inarticulate?
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I thought you made the same point very well, Elvis.
posted on 24/11/21
comment by Robbb Pochettino (U22716)
posted 7 minutes ago
Poch Update #4
We’ve made our first approach for Poch in the past hour and PSG have knocked it back. Gonna have to go back with a better offer.
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They don't want Phil Jones?
posted on 24/11/21
comment by Robbb Pochettino (U22716)
posted 9 minutes ago
Poch Update #4
We’ve made our first approach for Poch in the past hour and PSG have knocked it back. Gonna have to go back with a better offer.
How does it work with managers? Players can be stopped from moving but do managers have the same protection? Or do they always have the power to walk away if some compensation is paid?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Apparently Poch doesn't have a clause in his contract. No idea what that means.
posted on 24/11/21
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Glazers_Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 6 minutes ago
You don't just walk into a club in Nov / Dec though and get total strangers on your wavelength.
……
Why not? Tuchel did.
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Didnt he bring a coaching team with him?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not as far as I know.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You hear of managers bringing a trusted assistant with them. That is common. But a whole coaching staff?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Zsolt Low and Arno Michels moved to Chelsea a few weeks after he joined. Just googled it. Previous coaches he's worked with. They also brought into a 3rd new guy who does the player data analysis and he had also worked with Tuchel before.
Exactly proves my point.
Hopefully this isn't how it's going to plan out for us but knowing us it probably will do.
posted on 24/11/21
Why do we assume implementation by the coaches was poor.
———
Because I doubt it was Ole’s plan and instruction to have us playing poorly for three years.
posted on 24/11/21
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 minutes ago
Interesting factoid about Tuchel: before they hired him, he apparently asked the Chelsea hierarchy whether they were really sure they wanted to change managers, because if you looked at the data, Lampard's Chelsea were better than the results suggested.
I saw this on Twitter, so caveats apply, though it was a fairly reputable account. Above all, a really interesting insight into Tuchel's mind. But also an illustration of the fine lines between excellence and something less than excellence: in this line of thinking, Chelsea were already doing things just about right, but we all see how the additional fine tuning and attention to detail transformed the team. I guess it's hard to capture that level of finessing in statistics (apart from the most basic ones like matches won) because the adjustments are relatively microscopic.
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All he really did was change their formation to more suit the players they had. Something Ole just did not do.
posted on 24/11/21
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 minutes ago
Our coaches were equally to blame as Ole. In fact given they did all the coaching sessions I think more so actually.
-------------------------------------------------------------------
As Elvis has pointed out, this assumption is totally evidence free. People are assuming all the coaching staff are terrible because the football was bad, but we don't know how much influence they had on the actual design of the sessions or the decisions around tactics. If you ask great coaches to train people to do things that won't work on the pitch, it's not the fault of the coaches. Last night, as Elvis has also pointed out, was a clear illustration not that Carrick is a fantastic coach, but at least of the fact that he has significantly different tactical ideas from the ones Solskjaer was using. He was willing to drop two of our more productive attacking players in order to create a more rigorous defensive structure, came up with the new approach of playing a 4-4-2 out of possession which switched to something closer to a 4-3-3 when we had the ball. He's very clearly not a clone of Solskjaer, and very clearly had ideas that weren't adopted when Solskjaer was his boss. This is one of the few things for which we actually have concrete evidence.
As I said in my post last night, the rot in dysfunctional organisations tends to start at the top, and is often reflected in the failure to listen to better ideas, which are often actually floating around. That's not to suggest that Carrick and the rest of the team are definitely required in the long term. I can't know that. But I'm afraid the idea that you should sack everyone overnight and assume there's no valuable knowledge about this group of players that the new regime would benefit from within the current staff is pretty stupid.
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Why you got to come on here, explain my ideas better than me and make me look god damn inarticulate?
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I thought you made the same point very well, Elvis.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Don't patronise me.
posted on 24/11/21
Exactly proves my point.
…..
It does not really. Tuchel is still working with some of Lampards coaches. And more importantly how do you know that whoever we appoint as interim will not bring some new coaches in?
posted on 24/11/21
TalkSport reporting that PSG have turned down an approach from Utd to talk to Poch... maybe the wheels have started turning
posted on 24/11/21
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 37 minutes ago
Our coaches were equally to blame as Ole. In fact given they did all the coaching sessions I think more so actually.
-------------------------------------------------------------------
As Elvis has pointed out, this assumption is totally evidence free. People are assuming all the coaching staff are terrible because the football was bad, but we don't know how much influence they had on the actual design of the sessions or the decisions around tactics. If you ask great coaches to train people to do things that won't work on the pitch, it's not the fault of the coaches. Last night, as Elvis has also pointed out, was a clear illustration not that Carrick is a fantastic coach, but at least of the fact that he has significantly different tactical ideas from the ones Solskjaer was using. He was willing to drop two of our more productive attacking players in order to create a more rigorous defensive structure, came up with the new approach of playing a 4-4-2 out of possession which switched to something closer to a 4-3-3 when we had the ball. He's very clearly not a clone of Solskjaer, and very clearly had ideas that weren't adopted when Solskjaer was his boss. This is one of the few things for which we actually have concrete evidence.
As I said in my post last night, the rot in dysfunctional organisations tends to start at the top, and is often reflected in the failure to listen to better ideas, which are often actually floating around. That's not to suggest that Carrick and the rest of the team are definitely required in the long term. I can't know that. But I'm afraid the idea that you should sack everyone overnight and assume there's no valuable knowledge about this group of players that the new regime would benefit from within the current staff is pretty stupid.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
scholsey gave a little more insight of how it worked under Ole at Carrington on BT Sports last night before the game. He suggested that ole was more of a man manager than a coach. In fact he left the responsibility of day to day coaching completely to McK as the No1 and Carrick and Phelan and trusted them as a team, to implement the 'vision' of himself, Murtough and Fletcher, emphatically. Probably too much in scholseys opinion, which was a main reason for his downfall as far as he was concerned.
Could explain why the players seemed confused in the end as to what they were supposed to be doing with the ball and by whom.
posted on 24/11/21
Why not Southgate as an interim?
Just signed a new long terms deal with England so won't want the job after May.
Knows the PL.
Can get Maguire to look like he'll score from corners.
Won't rock the boat.
Will have us playing attacking, front foot, football.
posted on 24/11/21
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 2 minutes ago
Why not Southgate as an interim?
Just signed a new long terms deal with England so won't want the job after May.
Knows the PL.
Can get Maguire to look like he'll score from corners.
Won't rock the boat.
Will have us playing attacking, front foot, football.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We're 5 good right backs short of playing a Southgate system.
posted on 24/11/21
Gareth Southgate and Mike Phelan were both created in the same beige hell the bible speaks of
posted on 24/11/21
comment by Robbb Pochettino (U22716)
posted 1 minute ago
Gareth Southgate and Mike Phelan were both created in the same beige hell the bible speaks of
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That's unfair on Southgate. Nobody knows what Mike Phelan actually does.
posted on 24/11/21
comment by The Post Nearly Mancho (U1270)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robbb Pochettino (U22716)
posted 1 minute ago
Gareth Southgate and Mike Phelan were both created in the same beige hell the bible speaks of
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That's unfair on Southgate. Nobody knows what Mike Phelan actually does.
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I assume it involves collecting dossiers on managers. Tbf it seems he’s good at that.
posted on 24/11/21
comment by Robbb Pochettino (U22716)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by The Post Nearly Mancho (U1270)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robbb Pochettino (U22716)
posted 1 minute ago
Gareth Southgate and Mike Phelan were both created in the same beige hell the bible speaks of
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's unfair on Southgate. Nobody knows what Mike Phelan actually does.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I assume it involves collecting dossiers on managers. Tbf it seems he’s good at that.
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Someone else writes them, he just goes round to collect them
posted on 24/11/21
comment by The Post Nearly Mancho (U1270)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robbb Pochettino (U22716)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by The Post Nearly Mancho (U1270)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robbb Pochettino (U22716)
posted 1 minute ago
Gareth Southgate and Mike Phelan were both created in the same beige hell the bible speaks of
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That's unfair on Southgate. Nobody knows what Mike Phelan actually does.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I assume it involves collecting dossiers on managers. Tbf it seems he’s good at that.
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Someone else writes them, he just goes round to collect them
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Dossiers and cones. Whattaguy
posted on 24/11/21
Rumours that Favre, Valverde, Garcia, Ragnick and one other are being discussed for the interim job.
posted on 24/11/21
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 1 hour, 27 minutes ago
Rumours that Favre, Valverde, Garcia, Ragnick and one other are being discussed for the interim job.
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Valverde > Ragnick > Favre would be my order of preference
posted on 24/11/21
Knew nothing about Rangnick before a few weeks ago but it sounds like his football would be fun to watch at least. Comes across a bit like the German Bielsa.
posted on 24/11/21
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 1 minute ago
Knew nothing about Rangnick before a few weeks ago but it sounds like his football would be fun to watch at least. Comes across a bit like the German Bielsa.
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He's a proper footballing coach, probably Bielsa without the craziness and better football with results
posted on 24/11/21
Neither of them have ever really got that good results in their career, though.
I’d probably prefer Favre of the names mentioned. His teams play some enjoyable football.
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