Big dilemma on this one for liberals, stick up for the LGBT or criticize Islam.
If it was only a Christian saying it then they would have no problem screaming FASCISTS
comment by Der Post Nearly Mann (U1270)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Der Post Nearly Mann (U1270)
posted 8 minutes ago
The rainbow laces campaign's going to get a lot of coverage, I'll be interested to see if it's just empty PR or a start of football trying to be genuinely more inclusive
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How is football not trying to be inclusive?
You can watch a lot more female football for free than the males game.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They are, it's been a junior football condition of getting an FA charter for years that you have to have a certain number of girls teams at your club. The work that's been done on that side of the game is terrific, and really starting to pay off.
I'd say the campaigns against racism and homophobia are works in progress though.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I see the campaigns everywhere, unsure what they could do differently?
The number of players in the PL of an ethnic minority more than doubled between 1993 and 2017.
The sport doesn’t feel exclusive to white, straight males IMO.
Would be great if the England players wore rainbow laces at the world cup, maybe even a logo on their shirt so the TV Companies in Qatar couldn't ignore it.
Doubt our FA would have the bottle to support something like that though.
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 2 minutes ago
At the end of the day, that's just his beliefs because of his religion which conflicts against a lot of issues that our society is trying to resolve. Unfortunately, it will be generations on generations before this changes, if it ever does.
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*because of his interpretation of his religion.
There are also Muslims and Islamic organisations which consider homosexuality as natural, either regarding Qur'anic verses as anachronistic and obsolete, or stating that the Qu'ran only condemns homosexual lust but is silent on homosexual love.
It’s also only really the modern Islamic world which has turned so significantly against homosexuality and homosexual acts. Many pre-modern Islamic societies were actually very tolerant indeed of homosexuals (arguably moreso than some parts of Europe at the time).
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Yeah that's what I meant by his beliefs because of his religion, as in, his interpretation.
Likewise, many Christians also have no qualms with homosexuality despite the religion saying different as well.
comment by CAPO Status (U22578)
posted 1 minute ago
Big dilemma on this one for liberals, stick up for the LGBT or criticize Islam.
If it was only a Christian saying it then they would have no problem screaming FASCISTS
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Are you the mandatory War on Woke Warrior they send to discussions like this?
Surely (don't laugh) any host country has to adhere to FIFA's code of ethics? It seems that there shouldn't be discrimination based on orientation so how come Qatar can seemingly get away with this.
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 38 seconds ago
Surely (don't laugh) any host country has to adhere to FIFA's code of ethics? It seems that there shouldn't be discrimination based on orientation so how come Qatar can seemingly get away with this.
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Wonga
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 25 seconds ago
Surely (don't laugh) any host country has to adhere to FIFA's code of ethics? It seems that there shouldn't be discrimination based on orientation so how come Qatar can seemingly get away with this.
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Diafol, ££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££
Pretty much I'd assume?
No idea about what the written words from a thousand plus years ago say for the Muslim religion but the ones in the Bible tell you that Jesus was probably gay.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Der Post Nearly Mann (U1270)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Der Post Nearly Mann (U1270)
posted 8 minutes ago
The rainbow laces campaign's going to get a lot of coverage, I'll be interested to see if it's just empty PR or a start of football trying to be genuinely more inclusive
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How is football not trying to be inclusive?
You can watch a lot more female football for free than the males game.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They are, it's been a junior football condition of getting an FA charter for years that you have to have a certain number of girls teams at your club. The work that's been done on that side of the game is terrific, and really starting to pay off.
I'd say the campaigns against racism and homophobia are works in progress though.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I see the campaigns everywhere, unsure what they could do differently?
The number of players in the PL of an ethnic minority more than doubled between 1993 and 2017.
The sport doesn’t feel exclusive to white, straight males IMO.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There's still racial inequality in terms of coaching, managing and administration, and we've seen the levels of racist abuse players can be subject to. The fact that there's only one openly gay footballer in the world probably speaks volumes about the existing culture as well. Like I said, those elements are still works in progress.
Surely (don't laugh) any host country has to adhere to FIFA's code of ethics?
———
They did, brown envelopes.
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 1 minute ago
Surely (don't laugh) any host country has to adhere to FIFA's code of ethics? It seems that there shouldn't be discrimination based on orientation so how come Qatar can seemingly get away with this.
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I'd have thought this as well, other than the capital aspect of it, how far would you take this notion?
By rights, surely they wouldn't want anybody competing in their competition that do not follow their code of ethics. If that was the case, there would be many, many countries who would not qualify for this reason.
He said that live on air?
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 1 minute ago
Surely (don't laugh) any host country has to adhere to FIFA's code of ethics? It seems that there shouldn't be discrimination based on orientation so how come Qatar can seemingly get away with this.
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I'd have thought this as well, other than the capital aspect of it, how far would you take this notion?
By rights, surely they wouldn't want anybody competing in their competition that do not follow their code of ethics. If that was the case, there would be many, many countries who would not qualify for this reason.
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I know it's for the money as you and others have stated but it doesn't sit right really.
FIFA doesn’t have a code of ethics.
comment by renoog (U4449)
posted 37 seconds ago
He said that live on air?
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Not just that...
Aboutrika added that Muslim people “have a role to play” to eliminate homosexuality, which he also described as a “dangerous ideology that is becoming nasty.” “They will tell you it’s a human right but it’s not a human right, in fact it’s against humanity.”
Aboutrika said that Muslim players in the Premier League should not participate in the campaign (Rainbow Laces), which is designed to promote “equality and diversity” by “show(ing) support for all LGBT+ people in football and beyond”, according to the league’s website. Players show their support by wearing rainbow-coloured laces in support of the LGBT+ community.
comment by Der Post Nearly Mann (U1270)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Der Post Nearly Mann (U1270)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Der Post Nearly Mann (U1270)
posted 8 minutes ago
The rainbow laces campaign's going to get a lot of coverage, I'll be interested to see if it's just empty PR or a start of football trying to be genuinely more inclusive
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How is football not trying to be inclusive?
You can watch a lot more female football for free than the males game.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They are, it's been a junior football condition of getting an FA charter for years that you have to have a certain number of girls teams at your club. The work that's been done on that side of the game is terrific, and really starting to pay off.
I'd say the campaigns against racism and homophobia are works in progress though.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I see the campaigns everywhere, unsure what they could do differently?
The number of players in the PL of an ethnic minority more than doubled between 1993 and 2017.
The sport doesn’t feel exclusive to white, straight males IMO.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There's still racial inequality in terms of coaching, managing and administration, and we've seen the levels of racist abuse players can be subject to. The fact that there's only one openly gay footballer in the world probably speaks volumes about the existing culture as well. Like I said, those elements are still works in progress.
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Are there any black managers you feel haven’t been given a chance?
I’d imagine in the next couple of decades you’ll see black managers more often, it’s simple mathematics.
I do wonder whether gay folk are simply not coming out through fear of abuse or the sport just isn’t attractive to young gay men.
Positive discrimination is still discrimination in my book. How many gay men are bricklayers or engineers? Probably a similar percentage to the number of men who go into nursing or hairdressing.
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/businessreview/2016/01/18/there-may-be-some-truth-to-the-gay-jobs-stereotype/
Case in point.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by Der Post Nearly Mann (U1270)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Der Post Nearly Mann (U1270)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Der Post Nearly Mann (U1270)
posted 8 minutes ago
The rainbow laces campaign's going to get a lot of coverage, I'll be interested to see if it's just empty PR or a start of football trying to be genuinely more inclusive
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How is football not trying to be inclusive?
You can watch a lot more female football for free than the males game.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They are, it's been a junior football condition of getting an FA charter for years that you have to have a certain number of girls teams at your club. The work that's been done on that side of the game is terrific, and really starting to pay off.
I'd say the campaigns against racism and homophobia are works in progress though.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I see the campaigns everywhere, unsure what they could do differently?
The number of players in the PL of an ethnic minority more than doubled between 1993 and 2017.
The sport doesn’t feel exclusive to white, straight males IMO.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There's still racial inequality in terms of coaching, managing and administration, and we've seen the levels of racist abuse players can be subject to. The fact that there's only one openly gay footballer in the world probably speaks volumes about the existing culture as well. Like I said, those elements are still works in progress.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Are there any black managers you feel haven’t been given a chance?
I’d imagine in the next couple of decades you’ll see black managers more often, it’s simple mathematics.
I do wonder whether gay folk are simply not coming out through fear of abuse or the sport just isn’t attractive to young gay men.
Positive discrimination is still discrimination in my book. How many gay men are bricklayers or engineers? Probably a similar percentage to the number of men who go into nursing or hairdressing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
These things are issues, Busby. Just saying they aren't doesn't make them go away.
Black footballers have been a fixture in British teams since the 1970's, why will it take the next couple of decades to see black administrators and greater representation amongst managers? I don't buy the 'football isn't attractive to gay men' argument. Kids join academies at 8 years old, and good players are channelled from that age.
comment by Der Post Nearly Mann (U1270)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by renoog (U4449)
posted 37 seconds ago
He said that live on air?
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Not just that...
Aboutrika added that Muslim people “have a role to play” to eliminate homosexuality, which he also described as a “dangerous ideology that is becoming nasty.” “They will tell you it’s a human right but it’s not a human right, in fact it’s against humanity.”
Aboutrika said that Muslim players in the Premier League should not participate in the campaign (Rainbow Laces), which is designed to promote “equality and diversity” by “show(ing) support for all LGBT+ people in football and beyond”, according to the league’s website. Players show their support by wearing rainbow-coloured laces in support of the LGBT+ community.
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Despite being such a high-profile player he never actually ventured to Europe or even indeed outside of the Middle East, I think he would sing a very different tune otherwise
I think he would sing a very different tune otherwise
———
Careless Whisper, probably.
comment by Der Post Nearly Mann (U1270)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by Der Post Nearly Mann (U1270)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Der Post Nearly Mann (U1270)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Der Post Nearly Mann (U1270)
posted 8 minutes ago
The rainbow laces campaign's going to get a lot of coverage, I'll be interested to see if it's just empty PR or a start of football trying to be genuinely more inclusive
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How is football not trying to be inclusive?
You can watch a lot more female football for free than the males game.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They are, it's been a junior football condition of getting an FA charter for years that you have to have a certain number of girls teams at your club. The work that's been done on that side of the game is terrific, and really starting to pay off.
I'd say the campaigns against racism and homophobia are works in progress though.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I see the campaigns everywhere, unsure what they could do differently?
The number of players in the PL of an ethnic minority more than doubled between 1993 and 2017.
The sport doesn’t feel exclusive to white, straight males IMO.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There's still racial inequality in terms of coaching, managing and administration, and we've seen the levels of racist abuse players can be subject to. The fact that there's only one openly gay footballer in the world probably speaks volumes about the existing culture as well. Like I said, those elements are still works in progress.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Are there any black managers you feel haven’t been given a chance?
I’d imagine in the next couple of decades you’ll see black managers more often, it’s simple mathematics.
I do wonder whether gay folk are simply not coming out through fear of abuse or the sport just isn’t attractive to young gay men.
Positive discrimination is still discrimination in my book. How many gay men are bricklayers or engineers? Probably a similar percentage to the number of men who go into nursing or hairdressing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
These things are issues, Busby. Just saying they aren't doesn't make them go away.
Black footballers have been a fixture in British teams since the 1970's, why will it take the next couple of decades to see black administrators and greater representation amongst managers? I don't buy the 'football isn't attractive to gay men' argument. Kids join academies at 8 years old, and good players are channelled from that age.
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Agree with that, how many of us have sat in a changing room at say ages 13-17 and heard the "banter" flying about in there?
That from an early age would put off any player who was gay to feel secure enough to let his team mates and club know he was gay and of course the general terrace stuff, would take a strong, centred person to do it
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
I think he would sing a very different tune otherwise
———
Careless Whisper, probably.
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It saddens me that people oppose moves for equality based on theistic or political beliefs, and lose sight of the fact that it's other human beings we're talking about.
Sad that we come up with arbitrary rules for who we can and can’t love. We’re not here for long. Love who the fack ever you want if they make you happy.
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posted on 30/11/21
Big dilemma on this one for liberals, stick up for the LGBT or criticize Islam.
If it was only a Christian saying it then they would have no problem screaming FASCISTS
posted on 30/11/21
comment by Der Post Nearly Mann (U1270)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Der Post Nearly Mann (U1270)
posted 8 minutes ago
The rainbow laces campaign's going to get a lot of coverage, I'll be interested to see if it's just empty PR or a start of football trying to be genuinely more inclusive
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How is football not trying to be inclusive?
You can watch a lot more female football for free than the males game.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They are, it's been a junior football condition of getting an FA charter for years that you have to have a certain number of girls teams at your club. The work that's been done on that side of the game is terrific, and really starting to pay off.
I'd say the campaigns against racism and homophobia are works in progress though.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I see the campaigns everywhere, unsure what they could do differently?
The number of players in the PL of an ethnic minority more than doubled between 1993 and 2017.
The sport doesn’t feel exclusive to white, straight males IMO.
posted on 30/11/21
Would be great if the England players wore rainbow laces at the world cup, maybe even a logo on their shirt so the TV Companies in Qatar couldn't ignore it.
Doubt our FA would have the bottle to support something like that though.
posted on 30/11/21
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 2 minutes ago
At the end of the day, that's just his beliefs because of his religion which conflicts against a lot of issues that our society is trying to resolve. Unfortunately, it will be generations on generations before this changes, if it ever does.
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*because of his interpretation of his religion.
There are also Muslims and Islamic organisations which consider homosexuality as natural, either regarding Qur'anic verses as anachronistic and obsolete, or stating that the Qu'ran only condemns homosexual lust but is silent on homosexual love.
It’s also only really the modern Islamic world which has turned so significantly against homosexuality and homosexual acts. Many pre-modern Islamic societies were actually very tolerant indeed of homosexuals (arguably moreso than some parts of Europe at the time).
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Yeah that's what I meant by his beliefs because of his religion, as in, his interpretation.
Likewise, many Christians also have no qualms with homosexuality despite the religion saying different as well.
posted on 30/11/21
comment by CAPO Status (U22578)
posted 1 minute ago
Big dilemma on this one for liberals, stick up for the LGBT or criticize Islam.
If it was only a Christian saying it then they would have no problem screaming FASCISTS
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Are you the mandatory War on Woke Warrior they send to discussions like this?
posted on 30/11/21
Surely (don't laugh) any host country has to adhere to FIFA's code of ethics? It seems that there shouldn't be discrimination based on orientation so how come Qatar can seemingly get away with this.
posted on 30/11/21
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 38 seconds ago
Surely (don't laugh) any host country has to adhere to FIFA's code of ethics? It seems that there shouldn't be discrimination based on orientation so how come Qatar can seemingly get away with this.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Wonga
posted on 30/11/21
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 25 seconds ago
Surely (don't laugh) any host country has to adhere to FIFA's code of ethics? It seems that there shouldn't be discrimination based on orientation so how come Qatar can seemingly get away with this.
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Diafol, ££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££
Pretty much I'd assume?
posted on 30/11/21
No idea about what the written words from a thousand plus years ago say for the Muslim religion but the ones in the Bible tell you that Jesus was probably gay.
posted on 30/11/21
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Der Post Nearly Mann (U1270)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Der Post Nearly Mann (U1270)
posted 8 minutes ago
The rainbow laces campaign's going to get a lot of coverage, I'll be interested to see if it's just empty PR or a start of football trying to be genuinely more inclusive
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How is football not trying to be inclusive?
You can watch a lot more female football for free than the males game.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They are, it's been a junior football condition of getting an FA charter for years that you have to have a certain number of girls teams at your club. The work that's been done on that side of the game is terrific, and really starting to pay off.
I'd say the campaigns against racism and homophobia are works in progress though.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I see the campaigns everywhere, unsure what they could do differently?
The number of players in the PL of an ethnic minority more than doubled between 1993 and 2017.
The sport doesn’t feel exclusive to white, straight males IMO.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There's still racial inequality in terms of coaching, managing and administration, and we've seen the levels of racist abuse players can be subject to. The fact that there's only one openly gay footballer in the world probably speaks volumes about the existing culture as well. Like I said, those elements are still works in progress.
posted on 30/11/21
Surely (don't laugh) any host country has to adhere to FIFA's code of ethics?
———
They did, brown envelopes.
posted on 30/11/21
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 1 minute ago
Surely (don't laugh) any host country has to adhere to FIFA's code of ethics? It seems that there shouldn't be discrimination based on orientation so how come Qatar can seemingly get away with this.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'd have thought this as well, other than the capital aspect of it, how far would you take this notion?
By rights, surely they wouldn't want anybody competing in their competition that do not follow their code of ethics. If that was the case, there would be many, many countries who would not qualify for this reason.
posted on 30/11/21
He said that live on air?
posted on 30/11/21
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 1 minute ago
Surely (don't laugh) any host country has to adhere to FIFA's code of ethics? It seems that there shouldn't be discrimination based on orientation so how come Qatar can seemingly get away with this.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'd have thought this as well, other than the capital aspect of it, how far would you take this notion?
By rights, surely they wouldn't want anybody competing in their competition that do not follow their code of ethics. If that was the case, there would be many, many countries who would not qualify for this reason.
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I know it's for the money as you and others have stated but it doesn't sit right really.
posted on 30/11/21
FIFA doesn’t have a code of ethics.
posted on 30/11/21
comment by renoog (U4449)
posted 37 seconds ago
He said that live on air?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not just that...
Aboutrika added that Muslim people “have a role to play” to eliminate homosexuality, which he also described as a “dangerous ideology that is becoming nasty.” “They will tell you it’s a human right but it’s not a human right, in fact it’s against humanity.”
Aboutrika said that Muslim players in the Premier League should not participate in the campaign (Rainbow Laces), which is designed to promote “equality and diversity” by “show(ing) support for all LGBT+ people in football and beyond”, according to the league’s website. Players show their support by wearing rainbow-coloured laces in support of the LGBT+ community.
posted on 30/11/21
comment by Der Post Nearly Mann (U1270)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Der Post Nearly Mann (U1270)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Der Post Nearly Mann (U1270)
posted 8 minutes ago
The rainbow laces campaign's going to get a lot of coverage, I'll be interested to see if it's just empty PR or a start of football trying to be genuinely more inclusive
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How is football not trying to be inclusive?
You can watch a lot more female football for free than the males game.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They are, it's been a junior football condition of getting an FA charter for years that you have to have a certain number of girls teams at your club. The work that's been done on that side of the game is terrific, and really starting to pay off.
I'd say the campaigns against racism and homophobia are works in progress though.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I see the campaigns everywhere, unsure what they could do differently?
The number of players in the PL of an ethnic minority more than doubled between 1993 and 2017.
The sport doesn’t feel exclusive to white, straight males IMO.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There's still racial inequality in terms of coaching, managing and administration, and we've seen the levels of racist abuse players can be subject to. The fact that there's only one openly gay footballer in the world probably speaks volumes about the existing culture as well. Like I said, those elements are still works in progress.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Are there any black managers you feel haven’t been given a chance?
I’d imagine in the next couple of decades you’ll see black managers more often, it’s simple mathematics.
I do wonder whether gay folk are simply not coming out through fear of abuse or the sport just isn’t attractive to young gay men.
Positive discrimination is still discrimination in my book. How many gay men are bricklayers or engineers? Probably a similar percentage to the number of men who go into nursing or hairdressing.
posted on 30/11/21
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/businessreview/2016/01/18/there-may-be-some-truth-to-the-gay-jobs-stereotype/
Case in point.
posted on 30/11/21
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by Der Post Nearly Mann (U1270)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Der Post Nearly Mann (U1270)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Der Post Nearly Mann (U1270)
posted 8 minutes ago
The rainbow laces campaign's going to get a lot of coverage, I'll be interested to see if it's just empty PR or a start of football trying to be genuinely more inclusive
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How is football not trying to be inclusive?
You can watch a lot more female football for free than the males game.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They are, it's been a junior football condition of getting an FA charter for years that you have to have a certain number of girls teams at your club. The work that's been done on that side of the game is terrific, and really starting to pay off.
I'd say the campaigns against racism and homophobia are works in progress though.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I see the campaigns everywhere, unsure what they could do differently?
The number of players in the PL of an ethnic minority more than doubled between 1993 and 2017.
The sport doesn’t feel exclusive to white, straight males IMO.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There's still racial inequality in terms of coaching, managing and administration, and we've seen the levels of racist abuse players can be subject to. The fact that there's only one openly gay footballer in the world probably speaks volumes about the existing culture as well. Like I said, those elements are still works in progress.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Are there any black managers you feel haven’t been given a chance?
I’d imagine in the next couple of decades you’ll see black managers more often, it’s simple mathematics.
I do wonder whether gay folk are simply not coming out through fear of abuse or the sport just isn’t attractive to young gay men.
Positive discrimination is still discrimination in my book. How many gay men are bricklayers or engineers? Probably a similar percentage to the number of men who go into nursing or hairdressing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
These things are issues, Busby. Just saying they aren't doesn't make them go away.
Black footballers have been a fixture in British teams since the 1970's, why will it take the next couple of decades to see black administrators and greater representation amongst managers? I don't buy the 'football isn't attractive to gay men' argument. Kids join academies at 8 years old, and good players are channelled from that age.
posted on 30/11/21
comment by Der Post Nearly Mann (U1270)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by renoog (U4449)
posted 37 seconds ago
He said that live on air?
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Not just that...
Aboutrika added that Muslim people “have a role to play” to eliminate homosexuality, which he also described as a “dangerous ideology that is becoming nasty.” “They will tell you it’s a human right but it’s not a human right, in fact it’s against humanity.”
Aboutrika said that Muslim players in the Premier League should not participate in the campaign (Rainbow Laces), which is designed to promote “equality and diversity” by “show(ing) support for all LGBT+ people in football and beyond”, according to the league’s website. Players show their support by wearing rainbow-coloured laces in support of the LGBT+ community.
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Despite being such a high-profile player he never actually ventured to Europe or even indeed outside of the Middle East, I think he would sing a very different tune otherwise
posted on 30/11/21
I think he would sing a very different tune otherwise
———
Careless Whisper, probably.
posted on 30/11/21
comment by Der Post Nearly Mann (U1270)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by Der Post Nearly Mann (U1270)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Der Post Nearly Mann (U1270)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Der Post Nearly Mann (U1270)
posted 8 minutes ago
The rainbow laces campaign's going to get a lot of coverage, I'll be interested to see if it's just empty PR or a start of football trying to be genuinely more inclusive
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How is football not trying to be inclusive?
You can watch a lot more female football for free than the males game.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They are, it's been a junior football condition of getting an FA charter for years that you have to have a certain number of girls teams at your club. The work that's been done on that side of the game is terrific, and really starting to pay off.
I'd say the campaigns against racism and homophobia are works in progress though.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I see the campaigns everywhere, unsure what they could do differently?
The number of players in the PL of an ethnic minority more than doubled between 1993 and 2017.
The sport doesn’t feel exclusive to white, straight males IMO.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There's still racial inequality in terms of coaching, managing and administration, and we've seen the levels of racist abuse players can be subject to. The fact that there's only one openly gay footballer in the world probably speaks volumes about the existing culture as well. Like I said, those elements are still works in progress.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Are there any black managers you feel haven’t been given a chance?
I’d imagine in the next couple of decades you’ll see black managers more often, it’s simple mathematics.
I do wonder whether gay folk are simply not coming out through fear of abuse or the sport just isn’t attractive to young gay men.
Positive discrimination is still discrimination in my book. How many gay men are bricklayers or engineers? Probably a similar percentage to the number of men who go into nursing or hairdressing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
These things are issues, Busby. Just saying they aren't doesn't make them go away.
Black footballers have been a fixture in British teams since the 1970's, why will it take the next couple of decades to see black administrators and greater representation amongst managers? I don't buy the 'football isn't attractive to gay men' argument. Kids join academies at 8 years old, and good players are channelled from that age.
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Agree with that, how many of us have sat in a changing room at say ages 13-17 and heard the "banter" flying about in there?
That from an early age would put off any player who was gay to feel secure enough to let his team mates and club know he was gay and of course the general terrace stuff, would take a strong, centred person to do it
posted on 30/11/21
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
I think he would sing a very different tune otherwise
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Careless Whisper, probably.
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posted on 30/11/21
It saddens me that people oppose moves for equality based on theistic or political beliefs, and lose sight of the fact that it's other human beings we're talking about.
posted on 30/11/21
Sad that we come up with arbitrary rules for who we can and can’t love. We’re not here for long. Love who the fack ever you want if they make you happy.
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