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Wouldn’t call those extreme views - they were generally accepted views by the majority and scientists two years ago.
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He's still peddling them now, not just two years ago.
He has also been championing the use of Invectermin as a treatment and when studies show it is ineffective he accuses all mainstream broadcasters of lying.
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There still not extreme views today.
The masks we have here are pointless. Even in Germany, Austria etc with good masks, vaccine passports etc nothing has stopped the spread of the virus. The vaccine also wasn’t really needed for young people not at risk, if it stopped spread would be great, but obviously for new variants it doesn’t.
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So telling people that the mRNA vaccine is gene therapy and that they shouldn't get it isn't an extreme view in your opinion?
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I’ve not said anything about gene therapy - simply saying young people not at risk, don’t need the vaccine.
Would say it makes sense to get it, and especially with requirements I’d be getting it even if not at risk.
But quite clearly young people are not, and we’re not at risk so didn’t need the vaccine. Was sold as stopping the spread - when really the whole point was stopping serious illness.
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He's not simply saying that and it also isn't part of a balanced view of the benefits to young people getting the vaccine. He is telling them the vaccine will be a negative for them. Then he accuses mainstream media sources and governments of lying to people. It's the kind of thing that leads to this:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-59896688
All this discussion started because people stated that Joe Rogan is a source of misinformation, offers one sided opinions and only brings on academics (often ostracised from their field) to match his narrative. Something that you have repeatedly been shown and still refuse to acknowledge.
So if you want to see him as a well balanced source of information, more fool you. We're not going to agree on this and I will continue to consider you an idiot for doing so.
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As I’ve said repeatedly, I’ve never listened to his podcast
I’ve simply stated how your view is completely blinkered, that you make sweeping accusations and judgements on a podcast and all guests which are completely unfounded. I’ve acknowledged that I’m sure some of his guests are loons and conspiracy theorists, sounds like some of his views are too.
But I’m not the idiot who makes sweeping assumptions simply due to association. You’re clearly a blinkered fool with delusions of your own self importance, and don’t seem capable of having your own critical thinking.
Not that I agree with him but this isn’t exactly ludicrous:
On his Spotify (SPOT) exclusive podcast, "The Joe Rogan Experience," Rogan told listeners that if a 21-year-old asked him if they should get vaccinated, he would suggest no.
"People say, do you think it's safe to get vaccinated? I've said, yeah, I think for the most part it's safe to get vaccinated. I do. I do," Rogan said on the podcast. "But if you're like 21 years old, and you say to me, should I get vaccinated? I'll go no. Are you healthy? Are you a healthy person?"
He then went on to backtrack, insisting he is ‘not an anti-vax person’. He said: ‘I’m not a doctor, I’m a f*****g moron, and I’m a cage-fighting commentator who is a dirty stand-up comedian.’
At least cows are looked after well these days and get all the best gadgets
https://metro.co.uk/2022/01/07/farmer-gives-cooped-up-cows-vr-headsets-to-increase-milk-production-15880604/
I’ve never even tried a VR headset myself
comment by Ricardo Calder (U1734)
posted 3 hours, 48 minutes ago
Meat can already be made artificially. That will be a thing in the not too distant future. The transition to literally soulless meat.
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It will be like the switch from analog to digital - the purists will complain a bit for a while but the masses that eat turkey twizzlers won't notice.
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Wouldn’t call those extreme views - they were generally accepted views by the majority and scientists two years ago.
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He's still peddling them now, not just two years ago.
He has also been championing the use of Invectermin as a treatment and when studies show it is ineffective he accuses all mainstream broadcasters of lying.
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There still not extreme views today.
The masks we have here are pointless. Even in Germany, Austria etc with good masks, vaccine passports etc nothing has stopped the spread of the virus. The vaccine also wasn’t really needed for young people not at risk, if it stopped spread would be great, but obviously for new variants it doesn’t.
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So telling people that the mRNA vaccine is gene therapy and that they shouldn't get it isn't an extreme view in your opinion?
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I’ve not said anything about gene therapy - simply saying young people not at risk, don’t need the vaccine.
Would say it makes sense to get it, and especially with requirements I’d be getting it even if not at risk.
But quite clearly young people are not, and we’re not at risk so didn’t need the vaccine. Was sold as stopping the spread - when really the whole point was stopping serious illness.
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He's not simply saying that and it also isn't part of a balanced view of the benefits to young people getting the vaccine. He is telling them the vaccine will be a negative for them. Then he accuses mainstream media sources and governments of lying to people. It's the kind of thing that leads to this:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-59896688
All this discussion started because people stated that Joe Rogan is a source of misinformation, offers one sided opinions and only brings on academics (often ostracised from their field) to match his narrative. Something that you have repeatedly been shown and still refuse to acknowledge.
So if you want to see him as a well balanced source of information, more fool you. We're not going to agree on this and I will continue to consider you an idiot for doing so.
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As I’ve said repeatedly, I’ve never listened to his podcast
I’ve simply stated how your view is completely blinkered, that you make sweeping accusations and judgements on a podcast and all guests which are completely unfounded. I’ve acknowledged that I’m sure some of his guests are loons and conspiracy theorists, sounds like some of his views are too.
But I’m not the idiot who makes sweeping assumptions simply due to association. You’re clearly a blinkered fool with delusions of your own self importance, and don’t seem capable of having your own critical thinking.
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It's not unfounded. He has had several things removed from different forms of social media for misinformation. There are loads of example of it. It is fair to say that a piece Joe Rogan has done is not likely to be very well balanced.
I'll leave you to your 'critical thinking' about a show you have never listened to though.
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Wouldn’t call those extreme views - they were generally accepted views by the majority and scientists two years ago.
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He's still peddling them now, not just two years ago.
He has also been championing the use of Invectermin as a treatment and when studies show it is ineffective he accuses all mainstream broadcasters of lying.
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There still not extreme views today.
The masks we have here are pointless. Even in Germany, Austria etc with good masks, vaccine passports etc nothing has stopped the spread of the virus. The vaccine also wasn’t really needed for young people not at risk, if it stopped spread would be great, but obviously for new variants it doesn’t.
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So telling people that the mRNA vaccine is gene therapy and that they shouldn't get it isn't an extreme view in your opinion?
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I’ve not said anything about gene therapy - simply saying young people not at risk, don’t need the vaccine.
Would say it makes sense to get it, and especially with requirements I’d be getting it even if not at risk.
But quite clearly young people are not, and we’re not at risk so didn’t need the vaccine. Was sold as stopping the spread - when really the whole point was stopping serious illness.
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He's not simply saying that and it also isn't part of a balanced view of the benefits to young people getting the vaccine. He is telling them the vaccine will be a negative for them. Then he accuses mainstream media sources and governments of lying to people. It's the kind of thing that leads to this:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-59896688
All this discussion started because people stated that Joe Rogan is a source of misinformation, offers one sided opinions and only brings on academics (often ostracised from their field) to match his narrative. Something that you have repeatedly been shown and still refuse to acknowledge.
So if you want to see him as a well balanced source of information, more fool you. We're not going to agree on this and I will continue to consider you an idiot for doing so.
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As I’ve said repeatedly, I’ve never listened to his podcast
I’ve simply stated how your view is completely blinkered, that you make sweeping accusations and judgements on a podcast and all guests which are completely unfounded. I’ve acknowledged that I’m sure some of his guests are loons and conspiracy theorists, sounds like some of his views are too.
But I’m not the idiot who makes sweeping assumptions simply due to association. You’re clearly a blinkered fool with delusions of your own self importance, and don’t seem capable of having your own critical thinking.
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It's not unfounded. He has had several things removed from different forms of social media for misinformation. There are loads of example of it. It is fair to say that a piece Joe Rogan has done is not likely to be very well balanced.
I'll leave you to your 'critical thinking' about a show you have never listened to though.
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Seems strange for you to listen to a show that you deride, and which you’ve sweepingly branded all associated cranks etc. I mean Elon Musk is definitely eccentric, but he’s ridiculously intelligent.
Or have you just read opinion pieces on the show and some of its guests…
Not critical thinking just personally don’t make general sweeping attacks on people due to association/status/race etc
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comment by Alisson Becker, Liverpool's Number 9 (U3979)
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I love how people preach about going vegan for health and obesity reasons go awfully quiet on the subject when alcohol is raised.
Sanctimonious prats.
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Given that animal products are the primary driver of our leading health killers; heart disease, obesity, diabetes, antibiotic resistance & certain types of cancer, it’s seems to make perfect sense that it would take precedent over other things like alcohol.
Furthermore, most alcohol doesn’t require supporting an industry that slaughters thinking, feeling animals or cause mass environmental harm.
It’s also as if you’re trying to deflect from the real issues at hand by introducing alcohol to the discussion…
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https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200910/cmselect/cmhealth/151/15107.htm
Alcohol is a bigger threat than meat. By a mile.
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The cost of treating alcohol related illness to the NHS is about £3.5bn per year. The cost of treating Cardiovascular Disease is is closer to £30bn per year - nearly 10 times the cost.
So if we went super, super conservative and said that *only* 10% of CVD were attributable to meat/dairy consumption, the cost of treating that would be about the same as alcohol. And that's *just* CVD. Add in all the other health outcomes I mentioned and it's not even close.
All of which is besides the point anyway... Animal agriculture cases the deaths in agony of 70bn land animals every year, and maybe as high as 2.7trn sea animals per year. No industry on earth has ever produced such a maddening scale of suffering. Now add the climate & environment consequences on top of that...
"bUt alcOhoL tHo"...
Come on. You're better than this, surely?
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24% of deaths of young males are attributed to alcohol.
40% of A&E patients in the day, and 70% of A&E patients at night are there for alcohol related issues.
You really think this wouldn't have more of an immediate impact on our health service than us going vegan all of a sudden?
Those inclined would just get out their nut on ching or similar instead.
One populist estimate is that $300bn would arrest global warming for 20 years?
Musk and his other nine fellow 10x richest people in the world increased their wealth by >$400bn last year. How cool a legacy would that be and still have money left to faff about with rockets, superyachts and vaccines?
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comment by Miyagi doh 😣 (U19849)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
Anyone watch that show, think.itbeas Joe Rogan podcast, where they went into detail about what the costs of goingvegan would be?
I can't seem to find it and I don't know how well it stacks up but the whole going vegan is better for the planet was being taken apart.
They discussed things like fertilisers and the knock on effects, the wiping out of certain species etc
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Pure garbage, I'm afraid.
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Outside of roganesque pod casts there is a work that suggests going vegan isn't the all singing all dancing utopia people go on about.
It's just a fad at the moment because people watched a documentary
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Which work shows that animal agriculture is better, ethically, for animals, than... Not slaughtering animals?
Which work shows that animal agriculture is better for the climate & environment than arable farming?
Which work shows superior health outcomes for meat eaters verses whole plant food (healthy vegan) diets?
Because the overwhelming evidence across multiple scientific disciplines converges upon the same conclusion: go vegan.
So is the neuroscience (that informs us, ethically), climate science, food tech science, sustainability science, environmental science, health & medical science all just a fad?
Get a grip.
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Good grief where to start with this.
Most of gh go vegan agenda pretty much comes from that documentary, the game changers?, Which it turns out was made by vegans.
Scientists as a rule don't go out and say it's good or bad overall but give caution that the long term effe ts are not known. On top of that there is a susoected link to haemorrhaging strokes linked to veganism but due to a small scale sfudy it's not something that has yet been overly mentioned.
Similarly there continues to be studies about an lack of certain vitamins and causes such as fractures amongst athletes that maybe due to veganism.
Problem is the study time has been small and we should find out more as the fad takes off.
What is known is that basly managed diets are the issue whether it's vegan or not.
I’m an ignorant omnivore, and tend not to get into discussions about the whole meat/vegan diet. Mostly because it bores me to tears. But as a simple human being, a couple of thoughts crossed my mind while reading this thread.
Is there enough arable land on the planet to feed 7 billion vegans?
Is there such a thing as ‘over-farming’ of land?
What would happen to all the animals bred for the food chain if we all turned vegan? Who would care for them if there wasn’t a profit to be made from them?
In Scotland we have minimum pricing on alcohol to ensure that if you are struggling with an alcohol addiction then you are homeless sooner than in England. It is great because it frees up much needed housing for people who need it, like the homeless.
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 3 minutes ago
Seems strange for you to listen to a show that you deride, and which you’ve sweepingly branded all associated cranks etc. I mean Elon Musk is definitely eccentric, but he’s ridiculously intelligent.
Or have you just read opinion pieces on the show and some of its guests…
Not critical thinking just personally don’t make general sweeping attacks on people due to association/status/race etc
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I don't listen to it. Not since the pandemic as it is full of misinformation and has become pretty dangerous. Prior to that it wasn't too bad, but he has gone more and more down the rabbit hole as Spotify just let him run with it.
Here are a few fact checks from recent shows for you:
https://fullfact.org/health/joe-rogan-alex-berenson-covid-vaccines-phe/
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/aug/31/joe-rogan/joe-rogan-falsely-says-mrna-vaccines-are-gene-ther/
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jul/26/joe-rogan/spotifys-joe-rogan-repeats-inaccurate-claim-they-a/
https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/joe-rogan-interview-with-peter-mccullough-contains-multiple-false-and-unsubstantiated-claims-about-the-covid-19-pandemic-and-vaccines/
Here he is having to apologise for spreading misinformation on a separate issue to the above.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danidiplacido/2020/09/18/joe-rogan-uncharacteristically-apologies-for-spreading-misinformation/
Personally, if someone repeatedly gets caught spreading misinformation and has a podcast famed for alt-right personalities being allowed to talk unchallenged, then I am inclined to think a podcast from them is unlikely to be well balanced from them.
Obviously you never make any judgments on anyone and take every single issue of everything at face value. Which is exactly why earlier, you accused me of not people capable of critical thinking on a subject you knew nothing about.
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posted 30 seconds ago
What would happen to all the animals bred for the food chain if we all turned vegan? Who would care for them if there wasn’t a profit to be made from them?
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Well, they wouldn't exist would they?
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I knew about a number of guests and so knew what you were stating wasn’t correct.
Maybe they were guests pre-pandemic… but the point was about vegan diets, you’ve brought up the pandemic and continued to bang on about it, come to think of it you seem pretty stressed by him.
But you’re right I won’t judge Joe Rogan’s guest who discussed everyone going vegan based on his views on covid…. Obviously.
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 4 minutes ago
I knew about a number of guests and so knew what you were stating wasn’t correct.
Maybe they were guests pre-pandemic… but the point was about vegan diets, you’ve brought up the pandemic and continued to bang on about it, come to think of it you seem pretty stressed by him.
But you’re right I won’t judge Joe Rogan’s guest who discussed everyone going vegan based on his views on covid…. Obviously.
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Rogan is a massive cringey bawlbag
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posted 45 seconds ago
Rogan is a massive cringey bawlbag
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Yeah but he has had people like Elon Musk on his show, so you can't say stuff like that.
The whole point was you writing off the guest talking about going vegan…
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 34 seconds ago
The whole point was you writing off the guest talking about going vegan…
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I wrote off Joe Rogan himself and have said his podcast is unlikely to be well balanced. You've turned it into an 'every guest ever on his show has been written off' so you can present this facade where you are more reasonable than everyone else and have stuck to it so as not to lose face when presented with evidence of Joe Rogan using his podcast to spread misinformation.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 5 hours, 26 minutes ago
Covid is just one of the natural checks and balances that responds to the world greatest issue of over population.
Less of us = almost every single global problem gets better
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This is exactly why we can't stop eating meat.
Populations of cows and goats etc would explode out of control.
We'd have to keep killing them anyway for their own good and to control their numbers in which case we might as well just eat the meat.
Modern meat farming is brutal and unfair but the solution isn't to stop eating meat.
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comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 5 hours, 26 minutes ago
Covid is just one of the natural checks and balances that responds to the world greatest issue of over population.
Less of us = almost every single global problem gets better
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This is exactly why we can't stop eating meat.
Populations of cows and goats etc would explode out of control.
We'd have to keep killing them anyway for their own good and to control their numbers in which case we might as well just eat the meat.
Modern meat farming is brutal and unfair but the solution isn't to stop eating meat.
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Lol
comment by devilsknight101 (U4670)
posted 45 minutes ago
I’m an ignorant omnivore, and tend not to get into discussions about the whole meat/vegan diet. Mostly because it bores me to tears. But as a simple human being, a couple of thoughts crossed my mind while reading this thread.
Is there enough arable land on the planet to feed 7 billion vegans?
Is there such a thing as ‘over-farming’ of land?
What would happen to all the animals bred for the food chain if we all turned vegan? Who would care for them if there wasn’t a profit to be made from them?
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As per my post above, I'm not a vegan and don't want to preach at anyone. On a simple, factual level, if everyone went vegan, we would require vastly less land for food production to feed everyone than we use today. The figure usually bandied around is that it requires 75% less land to feed someone on a plant-based diet than a meat diet. I'm sure we can quibble with the statistics and it depends on what meat you're talking about (beef being far more land and energy intensive than average) but the undisputed big picture is that we could create a lot more food using a lot less land if we weren't eating meat. NB a very large proportion of arable land currently is being used to produce feed for animals. One field of soya beans used for primary consumption by humans will feed about nine times as many people than if the same field feeds cows who are subsequently eaten by humans.
So if everyone went veggie (or even if they decided to switch to eating higher quality, less intensively farmed local meat more occasionally) it would be possible to feed way more people, reduce total agricultural land, re-wild / reforest important eco-systems, and slash the carbon footprint of food consumption.
None of that is controversial.
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 34 seconds ago
The whole point was you writing off the guest talking about going vegan…
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I wrote off Joe Rogan himself and have said his podcast is unlikely to be well balanced. You've turned it into an 'every guest ever on his show has been written off' so you can present this facade where you are more reasonable than everyone else and have stuck to it so as not to lose face when presented with evidence of Joe Rogan using his podcast to spread misinformation.
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He is a loon spreading misinformation on vaccines.
“Joe Rogan has also derided facemasks on his show. Told young people not to get the vaccine. He gets academics on to match his views. There is no balanced discussion. He sends people down extremist rabbit holes.”
He’s had some very interesting guests at times imo. Edward Snowden, Neil deGrasse Tyson, Sam Harris, and the popular to mock Time Magazine Person of the Year Elon Musk.
Rogan does agree with his guests too often but not always. There was a great exchange with Mike Tyson where Rogan laughed at something and Tyson said “it’s not funny” and Rogan proper shat himself (understandably).
He does have some looney stuff as well but he’s not proclaiming to be a wise man by any means. He literally calls himself a fking idiot.
Some US politicians are worse than he is and they’re trying to be serious people. Rogan is getting drunk, smoking a cigar - just a guy shooting the sheeet with a guest.
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comment by devilsknight101 (U4670)
posted 45 minutes ago
I’m an ignorant omnivore, and tend not to get into discussions about the whole meat/vegan diet. Mostly because it bores me to tears. But as a simple human being, a couple of thoughts crossed my mind while reading this thread.
Is there enough arable land on the planet to feed 7 billion vegans?
Is there such a thing as ‘over-farming’ of land?
What would happen to all the animals bred for the food chain if we all turned vegan? Who would care for them if there wasn’t a profit to be made from them?
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As per my post above, I'm not a vegan and don't want to preach at anyone. On a simple, factual level, if everyone went vegan, we would require vastly less land for food production to feed everyone than we use today. The figure usually bandied around is that it requires 75% less land to feed someone on a plant-based diet than a meat diet. I'm sure we can quibble with the statistics and it depends on what meat you're talking about (beef being far more land and energy intensive than average) but the undisputed big picture is that we could create a lot more food using a lot less land if we weren't eating meat. NB a very large proportion of arable land currently is being used to produce feed for animals. One field of soya beans used for primary consumption by humans will feed about nine times as many people than if the same field feeds cows who are subsequently eaten by humans.
So if everyone went veggie (or even if they decided to switch to eating higher quality, less intensively farmed local meat more occasionally) it would be possible to feed way more people, reduce total agricultural land, re-wild / reforest important eco-systems, and slash the carbon footprint of food consumption.
None of that is controversial.
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Apart from avocados of course 😉
I think there are other far reaching global consequences with this notion of everyone going vegan
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Wouldn’t call those extreme views - they were generally accepted views by the majority and scientists two years ago.
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He's still peddling them now, not just two years ago.
He has also been championing the use of Invectermin as a treatment and when studies show it is ineffective he accuses all mainstream broadcasters of lying.
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There still not extreme views today.
The masks we have here are pointless. Even in Germany, Austria etc with good masks, vaccine passports etc nothing has stopped the spread of the virus. The vaccine also wasn’t really needed for young people not at risk, if it stopped spread would be great, but obviously for new variants it doesn’t.
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So telling people that the mRNA vaccine is gene therapy and that they shouldn't get it isn't an extreme view in your opinion?
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I’ve not said anything about gene therapy - simply saying young people not at risk, don’t need the vaccine.
Would say it makes sense to get it, and especially with requirements I’d be getting it even if not at risk.
But quite clearly young people are not, and we’re not at risk so didn’t need the vaccine. Was sold as stopping the spread - when really the whole point was stopping serious illness.
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He's not simply saying that and it also isn't part of a balanced view of the benefits to young people getting the vaccine. He is telling them the vaccine will be a negative for them. Then he accuses mainstream media sources and governments of lying to people. It's the kind of thing that leads to this:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-59896688
All this discussion started because people stated that Joe Rogan is a source of misinformation, offers one sided opinions and only brings on academics (often ostracised from their field) to match his narrative. Something that you have repeatedly been shown and still refuse to acknowledge.
So if you want to see him as a well balanced source of information, more fool you. We're not going to agree on this and I will continue to consider you an idiot for doing so.
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As I’ve said repeatedly, I’ve never listened to his podcast
I’ve simply stated how your view is completely blinkered, that you make sweeping accusations and judgements on a podcast and all guests which are completely unfounded. I’ve acknowledged that I’m sure some of his guests are loons and conspiracy theorists, sounds like some of his views are too.
But I’m not the idiot who makes sweeping assumptions simply due to association. You’re clearly a blinkered fool with delusions of your own self importance, and don’t seem capable of having your own critical thinking.
posted on 7/1/22
Not that I agree with him but this isn’t exactly ludicrous:
On his Spotify (SPOT) exclusive podcast, "The Joe Rogan Experience," Rogan told listeners that if a 21-year-old asked him if they should get vaccinated, he would suggest no.
"People say, do you think it's safe to get vaccinated? I've said, yeah, I think for the most part it's safe to get vaccinated. I do. I do," Rogan said on the podcast. "But if you're like 21 years old, and you say to me, should I get vaccinated? I'll go no. Are you healthy? Are you a healthy person?"
He then went on to backtrack, insisting he is ‘not an anti-vax person’. He said: ‘I’m not a doctor, I’m a f*****g moron, and I’m a cage-fighting commentator who is a dirty stand-up comedian.’
posted on 7/1/22
At least cows are looked after well these days and get all the best gadgets
https://metro.co.uk/2022/01/07/farmer-gives-cooped-up-cows-vr-headsets-to-increase-milk-production-15880604/
I’ve never even tried a VR headset myself
posted on 7/1/22
comment by Ricardo Calder (U1734)
posted 3 hours, 48 minutes ago
Meat can already be made artificially. That will be a thing in the not too distant future. The transition to literally soulless meat.
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It will be like the switch from analog to digital - the purists will complain a bit for a while but the masses that eat turkey twizzlers won't notice.
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comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 34 seconds ago
Wouldn’t call those extreme views - they were generally accepted views by the majority and scientists two years ago.
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He's still peddling them now, not just two years ago.
He has also been championing the use of Invectermin as a treatment and when studies show it is ineffective he accuses all mainstream broadcasters of lying.
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There still not extreme views today.
The masks we have here are pointless. Even in Germany, Austria etc with good masks, vaccine passports etc nothing has stopped the spread of the virus. The vaccine also wasn’t really needed for young people not at risk, if it stopped spread would be great, but obviously for new variants it doesn’t.
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So telling people that the mRNA vaccine is gene therapy and that they shouldn't get it isn't an extreme view in your opinion?
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I’ve not said anything about gene therapy - simply saying young people not at risk, don’t need the vaccine.
Would say it makes sense to get it, and especially with requirements I’d be getting it even if not at risk.
But quite clearly young people are not, and we’re not at risk so didn’t need the vaccine. Was sold as stopping the spread - when really the whole point was stopping serious illness.
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He's not simply saying that and it also isn't part of a balanced view of the benefits to young people getting the vaccine. He is telling them the vaccine will be a negative for them. Then he accuses mainstream media sources and governments of lying to people. It's the kind of thing that leads to this:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-59896688
All this discussion started because people stated that Joe Rogan is a source of misinformation, offers one sided opinions and only brings on academics (often ostracised from their field) to match his narrative. Something that you have repeatedly been shown and still refuse to acknowledge.
So if you want to see him as a well balanced source of information, more fool you. We're not going to agree on this and I will continue to consider you an idiot for doing so.
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As I’ve said repeatedly, I’ve never listened to his podcast
I’ve simply stated how your view is completely blinkered, that you make sweeping accusations and judgements on a podcast and all guests which are completely unfounded. I’ve acknowledged that I’m sure some of his guests are loons and conspiracy theorists, sounds like some of his views are too.
But I’m not the idiot who makes sweeping assumptions simply due to association. You’re clearly a blinkered fool with delusions of your own self importance, and don’t seem capable of having your own critical thinking.
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It's not unfounded. He has had several things removed from different forms of social media for misinformation. There are loads of example of it. It is fair to say that a piece Joe Rogan has done is not likely to be very well balanced.
I'll leave you to your 'critical thinking' about a show you have never listened to though.
posted on 7/1/22
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
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comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 34 seconds ago
Wouldn’t call those extreme views - they were generally accepted views by the majority and scientists two years ago.
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He's still peddling them now, not just two years ago.
He has also been championing the use of Invectermin as a treatment and when studies show it is ineffective he accuses all mainstream broadcasters of lying.
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There still not extreme views today.
The masks we have here are pointless. Even in Germany, Austria etc with good masks, vaccine passports etc nothing has stopped the spread of the virus. The vaccine also wasn’t really needed for young people not at risk, if it stopped spread would be great, but obviously for new variants it doesn’t.
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So telling people that the mRNA vaccine is gene therapy and that they shouldn't get it isn't an extreme view in your opinion?
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I’ve not said anything about gene therapy - simply saying young people not at risk, don’t need the vaccine.
Would say it makes sense to get it, and especially with requirements I’d be getting it even if not at risk.
But quite clearly young people are not, and we’re not at risk so didn’t need the vaccine. Was sold as stopping the spread - when really the whole point was stopping serious illness.
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He's not simply saying that and it also isn't part of a balanced view of the benefits to young people getting the vaccine. He is telling them the vaccine will be a negative for them. Then he accuses mainstream media sources and governments of lying to people. It's the kind of thing that leads to this:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-59896688
All this discussion started because people stated that Joe Rogan is a source of misinformation, offers one sided opinions and only brings on academics (often ostracised from their field) to match his narrative. Something that you have repeatedly been shown and still refuse to acknowledge.
So if you want to see him as a well balanced source of information, more fool you. We're not going to agree on this and I will continue to consider you an idiot for doing so.
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As I’ve said repeatedly, I’ve never listened to his podcast
I’ve simply stated how your view is completely blinkered, that you make sweeping accusations and judgements on a podcast and all guests which are completely unfounded. I’ve acknowledged that I’m sure some of his guests are loons and conspiracy theorists, sounds like some of his views are too.
But I’m not the idiot who makes sweeping assumptions simply due to association. You’re clearly a blinkered fool with delusions of your own self importance, and don’t seem capable of having your own critical thinking.
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It's not unfounded. He has had several things removed from different forms of social media for misinformation. There are loads of example of it. It is fair to say that a piece Joe Rogan has done is not likely to be very well balanced.
I'll leave you to your 'critical thinking' about a show you have never listened to though.
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Seems strange for you to listen to a show that you deride, and which you’ve sweepingly branded all associated cranks etc. I mean Elon Musk is definitely eccentric, but he’s ridiculously intelligent.
Or have you just read opinion pieces on the show and some of its guests…
Not critical thinking just personally don’t make general sweeping attacks on people due to association/status/race etc
posted on 7/1/22
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 1 hour, 23 minutes ago
comment by Alisson Becker, Liverpool's Number 9 (U3979)
posted 54 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by Alisson Becker, Liverpool's Number 9 (U3979)
posted 43 seconds ago
I love how people preach about going vegan for health and obesity reasons go awfully quiet on the subject when alcohol is raised.
Sanctimonious prats.
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Given that animal products are the primary driver of our leading health killers; heart disease, obesity, diabetes, antibiotic resistance & certain types of cancer, it’s seems to make perfect sense that it would take precedent over other things like alcohol.
Furthermore, most alcohol doesn’t require supporting an industry that slaughters thinking, feeling animals or cause mass environmental harm.
It’s also as if you’re trying to deflect from the real issues at hand by introducing alcohol to the discussion…
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https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200910/cmselect/cmhealth/151/15107.htm
Alcohol is a bigger threat than meat. By a mile.
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The cost of treating alcohol related illness to the NHS is about £3.5bn per year. The cost of treating Cardiovascular Disease is is closer to £30bn per year - nearly 10 times the cost.
So if we went super, super conservative and said that *only* 10% of CVD were attributable to meat/dairy consumption, the cost of treating that would be about the same as alcohol. And that's *just* CVD. Add in all the other health outcomes I mentioned and it's not even close.
All of which is besides the point anyway... Animal agriculture cases the deaths in agony of 70bn land animals every year, and maybe as high as 2.7trn sea animals per year. No industry on earth has ever produced such a maddening scale of suffering. Now add the climate & environment consequences on top of that...
"bUt alcOhoL tHo"...
Come on. You're better than this, surely?
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24% of deaths of young males are attributed to alcohol.
40% of A&E patients in the day, and 70% of A&E patients at night are there for alcohol related issues.
You really think this wouldn't have more of an immediate impact on our health service than us going vegan all of a sudden?
posted on 7/1/22
Those inclined would just get out their nut on ching or similar instead.
posted on 7/1/22
One populist estimate is that $300bn would arrest global warming for 20 years?
Musk and his other nine fellow 10x richest people in the world increased their wealth by >$400bn last year. How cool a legacy would that be and still have money left to faff about with rockets, superyachts and vaccines?
posted on 7/1/22
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Miyagi doh 😣 (U19849)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Miyagi doh 😣 (U19849)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
Anyone watch that show, think.itbeas Joe Rogan podcast, where they went into detail about what the costs of goingvegan would be?
I can't seem to find it and I don't know how well it stacks up but the whole going vegan is better for the planet was being taken apart.
They discussed things like fertilisers and the knock on effects, the wiping out of certain species etc
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Pure garbage, I'm afraid.
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Outside of roganesque pod casts there is a work that suggests going vegan isn't the all singing all dancing utopia people go on about.
It's just a fad at the moment because people watched a documentary
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Which work shows that animal agriculture is better, ethically, for animals, than... Not slaughtering animals?
Which work shows that animal agriculture is better for the climate & environment than arable farming?
Which work shows superior health outcomes for meat eaters verses whole plant food (healthy vegan) diets?
Because the overwhelming evidence across multiple scientific disciplines converges upon the same conclusion: go vegan.
So is the neuroscience (that informs us, ethically), climate science, food tech science, sustainability science, environmental science, health & medical science all just a fad?
Get a grip.
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Good grief where to start with this.
Most of gh go vegan agenda pretty much comes from that documentary, the game changers?, Which it turns out was made by vegans.
Scientists as a rule don't go out and say it's good or bad overall but give caution that the long term effe ts are not known. On top of that there is a susoected link to haemorrhaging strokes linked to veganism but due to a small scale sfudy it's not something that has yet been overly mentioned.
Similarly there continues to be studies about an lack of certain vitamins and causes such as fractures amongst athletes that maybe due to veganism.
Problem is the study time has been small and we should find out more as the fad takes off.
What is known is that basly managed diets are the issue whether it's vegan or not.
posted on 7/1/22
I’m an ignorant omnivore, and tend not to get into discussions about the whole meat/vegan diet. Mostly because it bores me to tears. But as a simple human being, a couple of thoughts crossed my mind while reading this thread.
Is there enough arable land on the planet to feed 7 billion vegans?
Is there such a thing as ‘over-farming’ of land?
What would happen to all the animals bred for the food chain if we all turned vegan? Who would care for them if there wasn’t a profit to be made from them?
posted on 7/1/22
In Scotland we have minimum pricing on alcohol to ensure that if you are struggling with an alcohol addiction then you are homeless sooner than in England. It is great because it frees up much needed housing for people who need it, like the homeless.
posted on 7/1/22
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 3 minutes ago
Seems strange for you to listen to a show that you deride, and which you’ve sweepingly branded all associated cranks etc. I mean Elon Musk is definitely eccentric, but he’s ridiculously intelligent.
Or have you just read opinion pieces on the show and some of its guests…
Not critical thinking just personally don’t make general sweeping attacks on people due to association/status/race etc
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I don't listen to it. Not since the pandemic as it is full of misinformation and has become pretty dangerous. Prior to that it wasn't too bad, but he has gone more and more down the rabbit hole as Spotify just let him run with it.
Here are a few fact checks from recent shows for you:
https://fullfact.org/health/joe-rogan-alex-berenson-covid-vaccines-phe/
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/aug/31/joe-rogan/joe-rogan-falsely-says-mrna-vaccines-are-gene-ther/
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jul/26/joe-rogan/spotifys-joe-rogan-repeats-inaccurate-claim-they-a/
https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/joe-rogan-interview-with-peter-mccullough-contains-multiple-false-and-unsubstantiated-claims-about-the-covid-19-pandemic-and-vaccines/
Here he is having to apologise for spreading misinformation on a separate issue to the above.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danidiplacido/2020/09/18/joe-rogan-uncharacteristically-apologies-for-spreading-misinformation/
Personally, if someone repeatedly gets caught spreading misinformation and has a podcast famed for alt-right personalities being allowed to talk unchallenged, then I am inclined to think a podcast from them is unlikely to be well balanced from them.
Obviously you never make any judgments on anyone and take every single issue of everything at face value. Which is exactly why earlier, you accused me of not people capable of critical thinking on a subject you knew nothing about.
posted on 7/1/22
comment by devilsknight101 (U4670)
posted 30 seconds ago
What would happen to all the animals bred for the food chain if we all turned vegan? Who would care for them if there wasn’t a profit to be made from them?
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Well, they wouldn't exist would they?
posted on 7/1/22
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
I knew about a number of guests and so knew what you were stating wasn’t correct.
Maybe they were guests pre-pandemic… but the point was about vegan diets, you’ve brought up the pandemic and continued to bang on about it, come to think of it you seem pretty stressed by him.
But you’re right I won’t judge Joe Rogan’s guest who discussed everyone going vegan based on his views on covid…. Obviously.
posted on 7/1/22
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 4 minutes ago
I knew about a number of guests and so knew what you were stating wasn’t correct.
Maybe they were guests pre-pandemic… but the point was about vegan diets, you’ve brought up the pandemic and continued to bang on about it, come to think of it you seem pretty stressed by him.
But you’re right I won’t judge Joe Rogan’s guest who discussed everyone going vegan based on his views on covid…. Obviously.
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posted on 7/1/22
Rogan is a massive cringey bawlbag
posted on 7/1/22
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 45 seconds ago
Rogan is a massive cringey bawlbag
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Yeah but he has had people like Elon Musk on his show, so you can't say stuff like that.
posted on 7/1/22
The whole point was you writing off the guest talking about going vegan…
posted on 7/1/22
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 34 seconds ago
The whole point was you writing off the guest talking about going vegan…
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I wrote off Joe Rogan himself and have said his podcast is unlikely to be well balanced. You've turned it into an 'every guest ever on his show has been written off' so you can present this facade where you are more reasonable than everyone else and have stuck to it so as not to lose face when presented with evidence of Joe Rogan using his podcast to spread misinformation.
posted on 7/1/22
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 5 hours, 26 minutes ago
Covid is just one of the natural checks and balances that responds to the world greatest issue of over population.
Less of us = almost every single global problem gets better
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This is exactly why we can't stop eating meat.
Populations of cows and goats etc would explode out of control.
We'd have to keep killing them anyway for their own good and to control their numbers in which case we might as well just eat the meat.
Modern meat farming is brutal and unfair but the solution isn't to stop eating meat.
posted on 7/1/22
comment by No Love AKA Mamba - not home right now as I'm out rioting and looting with BLM and my right hand man Sizzle (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 5 hours, 26 minutes ago
Covid is just one of the natural checks and balances that responds to the world greatest issue of over population.
Less of us = almost every single global problem gets better
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This is exactly why we can't stop eating meat.
Populations of cows and goats etc would explode out of control.
We'd have to keep killing them anyway for their own good and to control their numbers in which case we might as well just eat the meat.
Modern meat farming is brutal and unfair but the solution isn't to stop eating meat.
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Lol
posted on 7/1/22
comment by devilsknight101 (U4670)
posted 45 minutes ago
I’m an ignorant omnivore, and tend not to get into discussions about the whole meat/vegan diet. Mostly because it bores me to tears. But as a simple human being, a couple of thoughts crossed my mind while reading this thread.
Is there enough arable land on the planet to feed 7 billion vegans?
Is there such a thing as ‘over-farming’ of land?
What would happen to all the animals bred for the food chain if we all turned vegan? Who would care for them if there wasn’t a profit to be made from them?
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As per my post above, I'm not a vegan and don't want to preach at anyone. On a simple, factual level, if everyone went vegan, we would require vastly less land for food production to feed everyone than we use today. The figure usually bandied around is that it requires 75% less land to feed someone on a plant-based diet than a meat diet. I'm sure we can quibble with the statistics and it depends on what meat you're talking about (beef being far more land and energy intensive than average) but the undisputed big picture is that we could create a lot more food using a lot less land if we weren't eating meat. NB a very large proportion of arable land currently is being used to produce feed for animals. One field of soya beans used for primary consumption by humans will feed about nine times as many people than if the same field feeds cows who are subsequently eaten by humans.
So if everyone went veggie (or even if they decided to switch to eating higher quality, less intensively farmed local meat more occasionally) it would be possible to feed way more people, reduce total agricultural land, re-wild / reforest important eco-systems, and slash the carbon footprint of food consumption.
None of that is controversial.
posted on 7/1/22
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 34 seconds ago
The whole point was you writing off the guest talking about going vegan…
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I wrote off Joe Rogan himself and have said his podcast is unlikely to be well balanced. You've turned it into an 'every guest ever on his show has been written off' so you can present this facade where you are more reasonable than everyone else and have stuck to it so as not to lose face when presented with evidence of Joe Rogan using his podcast to spread misinformation.
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He is a loon spreading misinformation on vaccines.
“Joe Rogan has also derided facemasks on his show. Told young people not to get the vaccine. He gets academics on to match his views. There is no balanced discussion. He sends people down extremist rabbit holes.”
He’s had some very interesting guests at times imo. Edward Snowden, Neil deGrasse Tyson, Sam Harris, and the popular to mock Time Magazine Person of the Year Elon Musk.
Rogan does agree with his guests too often but not always. There was a great exchange with Mike Tyson where Rogan laughed at something and Tyson said “it’s not funny” and Rogan proper shat himself (understandably).
He does have some looney stuff as well but he’s not proclaiming to be a wise man by any means. He literally calls himself a fking idiot.
Some US politicians are worse than he is and they’re trying to be serious people. Rogan is getting drunk, smoking a cigar - just a guy shooting the sheeet with a guest.
posted on 7/1/22
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by devilsknight101 (U4670)
posted 45 minutes ago
I’m an ignorant omnivore, and tend not to get into discussions about the whole meat/vegan diet. Mostly because it bores me to tears. But as a simple human being, a couple of thoughts crossed my mind while reading this thread.
Is there enough arable land on the planet to feed 7 billion vegans?
Is there such a thing as ‘over-farming’ of land?
What would happen to all the animals bred for the food chain if we all turned vegan? Who would care for them if there wasn’t a profit to be made from them?
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As per my post above, I'm not a vegan and don't want to preach at anyone. On a simple, factual level, if everyone went vegan, we would require vastly less land for food production to feed everyone than we use today. The figure usually bandied around is that it requires 75% less land to feed someone on a plant-based diet than a meat diet. I'm sure we can quibble with the statistics and it depends on what meat you're talking about (beef being far more land and energy intensive than average) but the undisputed big picture is that we could create a lot more food using a lot less land if we weren't eating meat. NB a very large proportion of arable land currently is being used to produce feed for animals. One field of soya beans used for primary consumption by humans will feed about nine times as many people than if the same field feeds cows who are subsequently eaten by humans.
So if everyone went veggie (or even if they decided to switch to eating higher quality, less intensively farmed local meat more occasionally) it would be possible to feed way more people, reduce total agricultural land, re-wild / reforest important eco-systems, and slash the carbon footprint of food consumption.
None of that is controversial.
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Apart from avocados of course 😉
I think there are other far reaching global consequences with this notion of everyone going vegan
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