comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 50 seconds ago
Do we want sustained success but have to then wrestle with the questionable moral side of taking on a rich Arab with a chequered history on human rights?
I'm not sure.
Right now, I loathe Newcastle and everything they represent and generally, since 1995-96, they've always been a popular club with the neutrals. I really don't like the idea of Spurs becoming THAT.
Having said that, how else do we dine at the top table. Even Liverpool, who have got manager, recruitment, players and ownership bang on over the last few years have to be at their max to even see City in the distance. They won't be able to buy their way out of trouble in the same way City, Chelsea and Newcastle will. So even if you're at your best, as we were about 5 years ago, you're still not close.
My hatred of Newcastle isn't just some virtue-signalling stand against human rights atrocities. It's no doubt laced with jealousy too. I hate them and everything they stand for but I'm also jealous of the ride they're about to go on.
Sport washing is deplorable as it really is an attempt to wipe away evidence of gross wrongdoing but these crimes are committed with or without the sport intervening. It's an attempt to put a veil over the whole thing which is disgusting but removing that veil doesn't eliminate it.
I'm not trying to justify us going for one of these guys but I am so, so tired of us never having won anything of note. Some guys, like Sandy, have seen us win a league. I wouldn't mind that, just once, in my lifetime.
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It made it even better, that when Spurs won the league they also won the cup.
At least I have seen it once. I doubt any of you will ever see it, with the financially doped clubs taking over world football.
Hopefully Abramovich gets all his money frozen if Putin invades Ukraine, and Chelsea go under.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 12 seconds ago
Do we want sustained success but have to then wrestle with the questionable moral side of taking on a rich Arab with a chequered history on human rights?
I'm not sure.
Right now, I loathe Newcastle and everything they represent and generally, since 1995-96, they've always been a popular club with the neutrals. I really don't like the idea of Spurs becoming THAT.
Having said that, how else do we dine at the top table. Even Liverpool, who have got manager, recruitment, players and ownership bang on over the last few years have to be at their max to even see City in the distance. They won't be able to buy their way out of trouble in the same way City, Chelsea and Newcastle will. So even if you're at your best, as we were about 5 years ago, you're still not close.
My hatred of Newcastle isn't just some virtue-signalling stand against human rights atrocities. It's no doubt laced with jealousy too. I hate them and everything they stand for but I'm also jealous of the ride they're about to go on.
Sport washing is deplorable as it really is an attempt to wipe away evidence of gross wrongdoing but these crimes are committed with or without the sport intervening. It's an attempt to put a veil over the whole thing which is disgusting but removing that veil doesn't eliminate it.
I'm not trying to justify us going for one of these guys but I am so, so tired of us never having won anything of note. Some guys, like Sandy, have seen us win a league. I wouldn't mind that, just once, in my lifetime.
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Yep, another club to add to the list of impossible clubs we are trying to compete with. Would be ok with it if I knew our owners were competing and actually looking to spend for trophies, but we know for a fact they don’t, Newcastle become another club that will win trophies before us. Gets so boring.
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 50 seconds ago
Do we want sustained success but have to then wrestle with the questionable moral side of taking on a rich Arab with a chequered history on human rights?
I'm not sure.
Right now, I loathe Newcastle and everything they represent and generally, since 1995-96, they've always been a popular club with the neutrals. I really don't like the idea of Spurs becoming THAT.
Having said that, how else do we dine at the top table. Even Liverpool, who have got manager, recruitment, players and ownership bang on over the last few years have to be at their max to even see City in the distance. They won't be able to buy their way out of trouble in the same way City, Chelsea and Newcastle will. So even if you're at your best, as we were about 5 years ago, you're still not close.
My hatred of Newcastle isn't just some virtue-signalling stand against human rights atrocities. It's no doubt laced with jealousy too. I hate them and everything they stand for but I'm also jealous of the ride they're about to go on.
Sport washing is deplorable as it really is an attempt to wipe away evidence of gross wrongdoing but these crimes are committed with or without the sport intervening. It's an attempt to put a veil over the whole thing which is disgusting but removing that veil doesn't eliminate it.
I'm not trying to justify us going for one of these guys but I am so, so tired of us never having won anything of note. Some guys, like Sandy, have seen us win a league. I wouldn't mind that, just once, in my lifetime.
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It made it even better, that when Spurs won the league they also won the cup.
At least I have seen it once. I doubt any of you will ever see it, with the financially doped clubs taking over world football.
Hopefully Abramovich gets all his money frozen if Putin invades Ukraine, and Chelsea go under.
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None of us will ever see Spurs win the league unfortunately, especially under our current regime. Our best ever chance of a major trophy was the CL and we blew it. We will never make a CL final ever again. We had our chance unfortunately. Still gutted about it.
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Thanks Ace, the last paragraph comfirms something that has been going around for some time. Levy still wants to hang around after any pontential sale.
My guess is he wants a major trophy to be his swansong when he does eventually leave.
Meanwhile Conte laying into the club’s transfer policy in his press conference. Does not sound like a particularly happy chappy right now.
comment by ABC Jelly (U22709)
posted 4 minutes ago
Meanwhile Conte laying into the club’s transfer policy in his press conference. Does not sound like a particularly happy chappy right now.
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Seems pleased with the Kulu signing though and suggests he can also play rwb.
comment by ABC Jelly (U22709)
posted 1 minute ago
Meanwhile Conte laying into the club’s transfer policy in his press conference. Does not sound like a particularly happy chappy right now.
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Just read his quotes. Depends how you spin it but he is happy with the new players.
He said "For sure it was strange to send out on loan four players & one transfer in January. You have to buy players to reinforce your team but if you send away players you bought in the last two or three years it means you did something wrong in the past"
Could be a parting shot at Hitchen and Levy.
comment by ABC Jelly (U22709)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by ABC Jelly (U22709)
posted 4 minutes ago
Meanwhile Conte laying into the club’s transfer policy in his press conference. Does not sound like a particularly happy chappy right now.
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Seems pleased with the Kulu signing though and suggests he can also play rwb.
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Which is weird considering he is left footed!
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Hopefully Abramovich gets all his money frozen if Putin invades Ukraine, and Chelsea go under.Unquote
Sandy you really are priceless and dumb. If that ever happened we would be bought a another billionaire within weeks.
We are box office for trophies and always will be.
Now forget the hatred and just accept it, always in our shadow
comment by LukaBrasi 🇮🇹 COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 36 minutes ago
New Owners does not equal Trophies. The Glaziers were lucky they had SAF when they took over. Now look at them. Look at the state of Arsenal under the Kronkes (they have won FA cups however) but thats enough for their fans. The Didlo brothers are West Ham fans, still potless, Everton's new owner has more money than sense. Wolves owners treat the club as feeding ground for the big boys.
Only Chelsea and City have won trophies consistently since they have been taken over. That's two clubs out of 20 odd. Liverpool have done well under FSG but they run a tight ship like ENIC.
As long as the threat of Covid does not impact stadiums we will be able to buy better players. We are on course to make tidy profit this season now fans are back. That's despite us being in the conference league. Profits do go back into the team.
If Spurs get a new naming rights deal or an NFL franchise, the value of the club will only increase making it more difficult for any potential buyers.
But that extra revenue should and will go back into team.
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This.
Mixed feelings tbh.....better the devil you know and all that....
I would genuinely rather have Enic running us for the foreseeable future than get taken over by a country like Saudi Arabia with a despicable human rights record. I would have to think seriously about stopping supporting Spurs if that happened. It won't make the impact it made on City or Chelsea when they were taken over anyway. There are now 3 oil rich clubs to compete with, plus Liverpool, Man Utd, and if they get their act together, Arsenal.
comment by Del Boy (U22000)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi 🇮🇹 COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 36 minutes ago
New Owners does not equal Trophies. The Glaziers were lucky they had SAF when they took over. Now look at them. Look at the state of Arsenal under the Kronkes (they have won FA cups however) but thats enough for their fans. The Didlo brothers are West Ham fans, still potless, Everton's new owner has more money than sense. Wolves owners treat the club as feeding ground for the big boys.
Only Chelsea and City have won trophies consistently since they have been taken over. That's two clubs out of 20 odd. Liverpool have done well under FSG but they run a tight ship like ENIC.
As long as the threat of Covid does not impact stadiums we will be able to buy better players. We are on course to make tidy profit this season now fans are back. That's despite us being in the conference league. Profits do go back into the team.
If Spurs get a new naming rights deal or an NFL franchise, the value of the club will only increase making it more difficult for any potential buyers.
But that extra revenue should and will go back into team.
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This.
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Yes but it's still about money and I think that's the point. Yes it can go wrong despite heavy investment, as it has for Everton, but generally speaking if you keep ploughing money in, eventually you'll get there. Chelsea have always spent themselves out of trouble since RA came in. The same will be true of City when Pep leaves and things begin to dip. Newcastle, the same.
The difference is between getting an owner in that's looking for investment or looking for something beyond money. The common denominator between City, Chelsea, Newcastle and PSG is that the reason for the owners' investment was never about acquiring more money. It was an exercise in PR. That's what you need in order to be truly one of the elite. Anyone looking to buy a club because they've got one eye on the money that can be made from it will always have the same level of caution that our current owners have.
We won't be able to join the elite unless we sleep with the devil to a certain extent. Owners that are doing it for money aren't worth bothering with. That's what we have now so it's pointless.
Oh, and I wouldn't even give the Jeff Bezos thing a second thought. It would be a risk for him to own a football club, or any sports club for that matter, as fans are tribalistic. Amazon have completely cornered the market which limits who he can then assocate himself with. By associating with one club he risks potentially losing customers. Crazy but it's true.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 4 minutes ago
Oh, and I wouldn't even give the Jeff Bezos thing a second thought. It would be a risk for him to own a football club, or any sports club for that matter, as fans are tribalistic. Amazon have completely cornered the market which limits who he can then assocate himself with. By associating with one club he risks potentially losing customers. Crazy but it's true.
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I don’t believe that mate. Possibly the occasional bitter Arsenal, Chelsea and Westham tw** would stop using Amazon if they took over Spurs, but they wouldn’t lost customers enough for it to be a concern, not a chance.
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comment by Ace (U22467)
posted 23 seconds ago
People say it wouldn’t make the difference it did to Chelsea or City if we were to get taken over by some wealthy benefactor, but I disagree.
We are currently bottom of the heap of clubs in terms of personal investment from owners - ENIC take the profits out of the club and have saddled us with debt. Now that debt is of course more of a speculative investment based on future revenue (cost of building the stadium in the short term vs what it’ll recoup in the long term), but it’s debt nonetheless. Lewis & ENIC do not put a penny into the club and, as a result of the way the club is run we are £400m in the black on FFP, meaning any owner would have substantial scope to invest money into the squad so that it could challenge for honours without breaching any regulations.
I get the better the devil you know argument, ENIC are if nothing else a safe pair of hands financially. I also dispute the one league cup in 21 years being a result of poor ownership. We’ve reached numerous finals and semi finals in that time and the players/coach of the time have failed to get us over the line - that is an entirely separate cultural mentality issue in my opinion and little to do with ownership.
But, sometimes you have to take a risk. Lewis and ENIC will never invest real money into the club. Under them we will always be bridesmaids. It’s no good complaining about our mediocrity and frugalness if you haven’t got the balls to invite a change - it’s like complaining about the government when you can’t be bothered to vote. I’m ready for Spurs to roll the dice on new ownership, I’m sick of Levy and in particular Lewis who is nothing but a pariah to this club.
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This. Said all along I’m willing to risk it. This whole “be careful what you wish for “ bulls** gets on my nerves. I have seen the club under this regime deliver barely nothing in 23 years on the football pitch. Time for a change.
We won't be able to join the elite unless we sleep with the devil to a certain extent. Owners that are doing it for money aren't worth bothering with. That's what we have now so it's pointless.
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I believe we can join the elite without new ownership and do it as a self sufficent run business.
Yes Levy has got many many football decisions wrong but we literally into the last phase of his long term plan in terms of sustainability and making Spurs a force.
As I said earlier we are on course to make a tidy profit with fans back into stadiums with more potential revenue from naming rights, concerts, sporting events, NFL and other commercial partnerships.
If we qualify for Ropey league, more revenue. Same goes goes the CL but even more money.
Think back to when Poch was given £150m odd on four players. We made a world record profit of £113m after tax. TV money has gone up since then too.
As long as Paratici has learned from mistakes like signing players who are not prem ready like Gil for example we have a chance with Conte. The new two signings are over 6ft, have good pedigree and should improve as they are still both fairly young. We need more signings with the same sort of profile. Emerson and Romero fit the bill too.
With the amount of money Lewis would want for Spurs we could easily be saddled with more debt than we already have.
If that person wants to buy Spurs with his own money you are looking for someone who has over £20b. It would cost them £2.5b to buy Spurs. That is more than 10% of their actual wealth. They would have to be bat sheet crazy to do so or crooked like the Saudi's, RA or the UAE.
It all depends on what your moral compass is like..
I don't want any new potential owners being American, from Saudi or the UAE or China or Russia. Feck these bar stewards.
Which countries would be acceptable to you lot?
comment by LukaBrasi 🇮🇹 COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 2 minutes ago
I don't want any new potential owners being American, from Saudi or the UAE or China or Russia. Feck these bar stewards.
Which countries would be acceptable to you lot?
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Jesus Christ mate, you are not giving yourself much choice are you ? Everyone of those you mentioned are pretty much the owners in the premier league. I don’t care where they are from mate as long as they have the clubs best interest at heart and want to invest in the football side of things. They can be from Outer Mongolia as far as I’m concerned. Spend money on the pitch and build a successful trophy winning club, I’m happy.
I also dispute the one league cup in 21 years being a result of poor ownership. We’ve reached numerous finals and semi finals in that time and the players/coach of the time have failed to get us over the line - that is an entirely separate cultural mentality issue in my opinion and little to do with ownership.
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Not sure about this.
Aside from the very obvious times that Levy has failed to back managers when we were on the verge of winning things (Arry and Poch in particular) the cultural mentality is very much in the remit of the owners. Especially when they've been around so long.
I'm not a ENIC hater and am realistic enough to know that we could easily end up with worse owners. Also that pumping in money doesn't guarantee trophies.. But Levy has consistently made bad football decisions that have cost us at key moments. I'd be happy if someone bought him out, got a new CEO in, and slowly bought out ENIC.
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 28 seconds ago
I also dispute the one league cup in 21 years being a result of poor ownership. We’ve reached numerous finals and semi finals in that time and the players/coach of the time have failed to get us over the line - that is an entirely separate cultural mentality issue in my opinion and little to do with ownership.
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Not sure about this.
Aside from the very obvious times that Levy has failed to back managers when we were on the verge of winning things (Arry and Poch in particular) the cultural mentality is very much in the remit of the owners. Especially when they've been around so long.
I'm not a ENIC hater and am realistic enough to know that we could easily end up with worse owners. Also that pumping in money doesn't guarantee trophies.. But Levy has consistently made bad football decisions that have cost us at key moments. I'd be happy if someone bought him out, got a new CEO in, and slowly bought out ENIC.
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Pumping money gets you trophies in the end mate there’s no 2 ways about it. Newcastle will prove this in 3/4 years. Liverpool might not pump money in like City/Chelsea but they had a particular massive spend which saw them propel to where they are now. 100% you have to spend big money for proper success. Hence why Spurs will never be a successful football club Under the current regime
Pumping money gets you trophies in the end mate there’s no 2 ways about it. Newcastle will prove this in 3/4 years.
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We'll see about Newcastle. It's levels though, init. Endless money from an oil state, yeah of course. But I give you Everton, Derby and West Ham as examples where it doesn't guarantee trophies. Not if you don't spend it right.
It took City years to understand they needed to get a top DoF in who would build a team properly and have the right connections to get Pep in. It's about a long term strategy and plan, not just putting zeros on transfer fees.
So would you be happy with American owners who potentially join forces with the Glaziers, Kronke and FSG to have another crack at the super league?
Or another Russian oil baron who has links with Putin?
Or some Prince from the Saudi or the UAE with their 3rd world prehistoric mentality who treat women as second class people not to mention their record with human rights?
Then we come to Chi-na as Trump would say. Look at their treatment of the Uyghur's for example.
However this Forrest Li bloke seems to amassed his wealth mainly from on line activity and e commerce which is ok with me.
As long as new potential owners can pass the fit and proper test without any negative issues I am coolio.
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posted on 4/2/22
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 50 seconds ago
Do we want sustained success but have to then wrestle with the questionable moral side of taking on a rich Arab with a chequered history on human rights?
I'm not sure.
Right now, I loathe Newcastle and everything they represent and generally, since 1995-96, they've always been a popular club with the neutrals. I really don't like the idea of Spurs becoming THAT.
Having said that, how else do we dine at the top table. Even Liverpool, who have got manager, recruitment, players and ownership bang on over the last few years have to be at their max to even see City in the distance. They won't be able to buy their way out of trouble in the same way City, Chelsea and Newcastle will. So even if you're at your best, as we were about 5 years ago, you're still not close.
My hatred of Newcastle isn't just some virtue-signalling stand against human rights atrocities. It's no doubt laced with jealousy too. I hate them and everything they stand for but I'm also jealous of the ride they're about to go on.
Sport washing is deplorable as it really is an attempt to wipe away evidence of gross wrongdoing but these crimes are committed with or without the sport intervening. It's an attempt to put a veil over the whole thing which is disgusting but removing that veil doesn't eliminate it.
I'm not trying to justify us going for one of these guys but I am so, so tired of us never having won anything of note. Some guys, like Sandy, have seen us win a league. I wouldn't mind that, just once, in my lifetime.
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It made it even better, that when Spurs won the league they also won the cup.
At least I have seen it once. I doubt any of you will ever see it, with the financially doped clubs taking over world football.
Hopefully Abramovich gets all his money frozen if Putin invades Ukraine, and Chelsea go under.
posted on 4/2/22
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 12 seconds ago
Do we want sustained success but have to then wrestle with the questionable moral side of taking on a rich Arab with a chequered history on human rights?
I'm not sure.
Right now, I loathe Newcastle and everything they represent and generally, since 1995-96, they've always been a popular club with the neutrals. I really don't like the idea of Spurs becoming THAT.
Having said that, how else do we dine at the top table. Even Liverpool, who have got manager, recruitment, players and ownership bang on over the last few years have to be at their max to even see City in the distance. They won't be able to buy their way out of trouble in the same way City, Chelsea and Newcastle will. So even if you're at your best, as we were about 5 years ago, you're still not close.
My hatred of Newcastle isn't just some virtue-signalling stand against human rights atrocities. It's no doubt laced with jealousy too. I hate them and everything they stand for but I'm also jealous of the ride they're about to go on.
Sport washing is deplorable as it really is an attempt to wipe away evidence of gross wrongdoing but these crimes are committed with or without the sport intervening. It's an attempt to put a veil over the whole thing which is disgusting but removing that veil doesn't eliminate it.
I'm not trying to justify us going for one of these guys but I am so, so tired of us never having won anything of note. Some guys, like Sandy, have seen us win a league. I wouldn't mind that, just once, in my lifetime.
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Yep, another club to add to the list of impossible clubs we are trying to compete with. Would be ok with it if I knew our owners were competing and actually looking to spend for trophies, but we know for a fact they don’t, Newcastle become another club that will win trophies before us. Gets so boring.
posted on 4/2/22
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 50 seconds ago
Do we want sustained success but have to then wrestle with the questionable moral side of taking on a rich Arab with a chequered history on human rights?
I'm not sure.
Right now, I loathe Newcastle and everything they represent and generally, since 1995-96, they've always been a popular club with the neutrals. I really don't like the idea of Spurs becoming THAT.
Having said that, how else do we dine at the top table. Even Liverpool, who have got manager, recruitment, players and ownership bang on over the last few years have to be at their max to even see City in the distance. They won't be able to buy their way out of trouble in the same way City, Chelsea and Newcastle will. So even if you're at your best, as we were about 5 years ago, you're still not close.
My hatred of Newcastle isn't just some virtue-signalling stand against human rights atrocities. It's no doubt laced with jealousy too. I hate them and everything they stand for but I'm also jealous of the ride they're about to go on.
Sport washing is deplorable as it really is an attempt to wipe away evidence of gross wrongdoing but these crimes are committed with or without the sport intervening. It's an attempt to put a veil over the whole thing which is disgusting but removing that veil doesn't eliminate it.
I'm not trying to justify us going for one of these guys but I am so, so tired of us never having won anything of note. Some guys, like Sandy, have seen us win a league. I wouldn't mind that, just once, in my lifetime.
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It made it even better, that when Spurs won the league they also won the cup.
At least I have seen it once. I doubt any of you will ever see it, with the financially doped clubs taking over world football.
Hopefully Abramovich gets all his money frozen if Putin invades Ukraine, and Chelsea go under.
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None of us will ever see Spurs win the league unfortunately, especially under our current regime. Our best ever chance of a major trophy was the CL and we blew it. We will never make a CL final ever again. We had our chance unfortunately. Still gutted about it.
posted on 4/2/22
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posted on 4/2/22
Thanks Ace, the last paragraph comfirms something that has been going around for some time. Levy still wants to hang around after any pontential sale.
My guess is he wants a major trophy to be his swansong when he does eventually leave.
posted on 4/2/22
Meanwhile Conte laying into the club’s transfer policy in his press conference. Does not sound like a particularly happy chappy right now.
posted on 4/2/22
comment by ABC Jelly (U22709)
posted 4 minutes ago
Meanwhile Conte laying into the club’s transfer policy in his press conference. Does not sound like a particularly happy chappy right now.
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Seems pleased with the Kulu signing though and suggests he can also play rwb.
posted on 4/2/22
comment by ABC Jelly (U22709)
posted 1 minute ago
Meanwhile Conte laying into the club’s transfer policy in his press conference. Does not sound like a particularly happy chappy right now.
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Just read his quotes. Depends how you spin it but he is happy with the new players.
He said "For sure it was strange to send out on loan four players & one transfer in January. You have to buy players to reinforce your team but if you send away players you bought in the last two or three years it means you did something wrong in the past"
Could be a parting shot at Hitchen and Levy.
posted on 4/2/22
comment by ABC Jelly (U22709)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by ABC Jelly (U22709)
posted 4 minutes ago
Meanwhile Conte laying into the club’s transfer policy in his press conference. Does not sound like a particularly happy chappy right now.
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Seems pleased with the Kulu signing though and suggests he can also play rwb.
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Which is weird considering he is left footed!
posted on 4/2/22
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Hopefully Abramovich gets all his money frozen if Putin invades Ukraine, and Chelsea go under.Unquote
Sandy you really are priceless and dumb. If that ever happened we would be bought a another billionaire within weeks.
We are box office for trophies and always will be.
Now forget the hatred and just accept it, always in our shadow
posted on 4/2/22
comment by LukaBrasi 🇮🇹 COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 36 minutes ago
New Owners does not equal Trophies. The Glaziers were lucky they had SAF when they took over. Now look at them. Look at the state of Arsenal under the Kronkes (they have won FA cups however) but thats enough for their fans. The Didlo brothers are West Ham fans, still potless, Everton's new owner has more money than sense. Wolves owners treat the club as feeding ground for the big boys.
Only Chelsea and City have won trophies consistently since they have been taken over. That's two clubs out of 20 odd. Liverpool have done well under FSG but they run a tight ship like ENIC.
As long as the threat of Covid does not impact stadiums we will be able to buy better players. We are on course to make tidy profit this season now fans are back. That's despite us being in the conference league. Profits do go back into the team.
If Spurs get a new naming rights deal or an NFL franchise, the value of the club will only increase making it more difficult for any potential buyers.
But that extra revenue should and will go back into team.
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This.
posted on 4/2/22
Mixed feelings tbh.....better the devil you know and all that....
posted on 4/2/22
I would genuinely rather have Enic running us for the foreseeable future than get taken over by a country like Saudi Arabia with a despicable human rights record. I would have to think seriously about stopping supporting Spurs if that happened. It won't make the impact it made on City or Chelsea when they were taken over anyway. There are now 3 oil rich clubs to compete with, plus Liverpool, Man Utd, and if they get their act together, Arsenal.
posted on 4/2/22
comment by Del Boy (U22000)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi 🇮🇹 COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 36 minutes ago
New Owners does not equal Trophies. The Glaziers were lucky they had SAF when they took over. Now look at them. Look at the state of Arsenal under the Kronkes (they have won FA cups however) but thats enough for their fans. The Didlo brothers are West Ham fans, still potless, Everton's new owner has more money than sense. Wolves owners treat the club as feeding ground for the big boys.
Only Chelsea and City have won trophies consistently since they have been taken over. That's two clubs out of 20 odd. Liverpool have done well under FSG but they run a tight ship like ENIC.
As long as the threat of Covid does not impact stadiums we will be able to buy better players. We are on course to make tidy profit this season now fans are back. That's despite us being in the conference league. Profits do go back into the team.
If Spurs get a new naming rights deal or an NFL franchise, the value of the club will only increase making it more difficult for any potential buyers.
But that extra revenue should and will go back into team.
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This.
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Yes but it's still about money and I think that's the point. Yes it can go wrong despite heavy investment, as it has for Everton, but generally speaking if you keep ploughing money in, eventually you'll get there. Chelsea have always spent themselves out of trouble since RA came in. The same will be true of City when Pep leaves and things begin to dip. Newcastle, the same.
The difference is between getting an owner in that's looking for investment or looking for something beyond money. The common denominator between City, Chelsea, Newcastle and PSG is that the reason for the owners' investment was never about acquiring more money. It was an exercise in PR. That's what you need in order to be truly one of the elite. Anyone looking to buy a club because they've got one eye on the money that can be made from it will always have the same level of caution that our current owners have.
We won't be able to join the elite unless we sleep with the devil to a certain extent. Owners that are doing it for money aren't worth bothering with. That's what we have now so it's pointless.
posted on 4/2/22
Oh, and I wouldn't even give the Jeff Bezos thing a second thought. It would be a risk for him to own a football club, or any sports club for that matter, as fans are tribalistic. Amazon have completely cornered the market which limits who he can then assocate himself with. By associating with one club he risks potentially losing customers. Crazy but it's true.
posted on 4/2/22
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 4 minutes ago
Oh, and I wouldn't even give the Jeff Bezos thing a second thought. It would be a risk for him to own a football club, or any sports club for that matter, as fans are tribalistic. Amazon have completely cornered the market which limits who he can then assocate himself with. By associating with one club he risks potentially losing customers. Crazy but it's true.
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I don’t believe that mate. Possibly the occasional bitter Arsenal, Chelsea and Westham tw** would stop using Amazon if they took over Spurs, but they wouldn’t lost customers enough for it to be a concern, not a chance.
posted on 4/2/22
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posted on 4/2/22
comment by Ace (U22467)
posted 23 seconds ago
People say it wouldn’t make the difference it did to Chelsea or City if we were to get taken over by some wealthy benefactor, but I disagree.
We are currently bottom of the heap of clubs in terms of personal investment from owners - ENIC take the profits out of the club and have saddled us with debt. Now that debt is of course more of a speculative investment based on future revenue (cost of building the stadium in the short term vs what it’ll recoup in the long term), but it’s debt nonetheless. Lewis & ENIC do not put a penny into the club and, as a result of the way the club is run we are £400m in the black on FFP, meaning any owner would have substantial scope to invest money into the squad so that it could challenge for honours without breaching any regulations.
I get the better the devil you know argument, ENIC are if nothing else a safe pair of hands financially. I also dispute the one league cup in 21 years being a result of poor ownership. We’ve reached numerous finals and semi finals in that time and the players/coach of the time have failed to get us over the line - that is an entirely separate cultural mentality issue in my opinion and little to do with ownership.
But, sometimes you have to take a risk. Lewis and ENIC will never invest real money into the club. Under them we will always be bridesmaids. It’s no good complaining about our mediocrity and frugalness if you haven’t got the balls to invite a change - it’s like complaining about the government when you can’t be bothered to vote. I’m ready for Spurs to roll the dice on new ownership, I’m sick of Levy and in particular Lewis who is nothing but a pariah to this club.
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This. Said all along I’m willing to risk it. This whole “be careful what you wish for “ bulls** gets on my nerves. I have seen the club under this regime deliver barely nothing in 23 years on the football pitch. Time for a change.
posted on 4/2/22
We won't be able to join the elite unless we sleep with the devil to a certain extent. Owners that are doing it for money aren't worth bothering with. That's what we have now so it's pointless.
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I believe we can join the elite without new ownership and do it as a self sufficent run business.
Yes Levy has got many many football decisions wrong but we literally into the last phase of his long term plan in terms of sustainability and making Spurs a force.
As I said earlier we are on course to make a tidy profit with fans back into stadiums with more potential revenue from naming rights, concerts, sporting events, NFL and other commercial partnerships.
If we qualify for Ropey league, more revenue. Same goes goes the CL but even more money.
Think back to when Poch was given £150m odd on four players. We made a world record profit of £113m after tax. TV money has gone up since then too.
As long as Paratici has learned from mistakes like signing players who are not prem ready like Gil for example we have a chance with Conte. The new two signings are over 6ft, have good pedigree and should improve as they are still both fairly young. We need more signings with the same sort of profile. Emerson and Romero fit the bill too.
With the amount of money Lewis would want for Spurs we could easily be saddled with more debt than we already have.
If that person wants to buy Spurs with his own money you are looking for someone who has over £20b. It would cost them £2.5b to buy Spurs. That is more than 10% of their actual wealth. They would have to be bat sheet crazy to do so or crooked like the Saudi's, RA or the UAE.
It all depends on what your moral compass is like..
posted on 4/2/22
I don't want any new potential owners being American, from Saudi or the UAE or China or Russia. Feck these bar stewards.
Which countries would be acceptable to you lot?
posted on 4/2/22
comment by LukaBrasi 🇮🇹 COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 2 minutes ago
I don't want any new potential owners being American, from Saudi or the UAE or China or Russia. Feck these bar stewards.
Which countries would be acceptable to you lot?
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Jesus Christ mate, you are not giving yourself much choice are you ? Everyone of those you mentioned are pretty much the owners in the premier league. I don’t care where they are from mate as long as they have the clubs best interest at heart and want to invest in the football side of things. They can be from Outer Mongolia as far as I’m concerned. Spend money on the pitch and build a successful trophy winning club, I’m happy.
posted on 4/2/22
I also dispute the one league cup in 21 years being a result of poor ownership. We’ve reached numerous finals and semi finals in that time and the players/coach of the time have failed to get us over the line - that is an entirely separate cultural mentality issue in my opinion and little to do with ownership.
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Not sure about this.
Aside from the very obvious times that Levy has failed to back managers when we were on the verge of winning things (Arry and Poch in particular) the cultural mentality is very much in the remit of the owners. Especially when they've been around so long.
I'm not a ENIC hater and am realistic enough to know that we could easily end up with worse owners. Also that pumping in money doesn't guarantee trophies.. But Levy has consistently made bad football decisions that have cost us at key moments. I'd be happy if someone bought him out, got a new CEO in, and slowly bought out ENIC.
posted on 4/2/22
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 28 seconds ago
I also dispute the one league cup in 21 years being a result of poor ownership. We’ve reached numerous finals and semi finals in that time and the players/coach of the time have failed to get us over the line - that is an entirely separate cultural mentality issue in my opinion and little to do with ownership.
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Not sure about this.
Aside from the very obvious times that Levy has failed to back managers when we were on the verge of winning things (Arry and Poch in particular) the cultural mentality is very much in the remit of the owners. Especially when they've been around so long.
I'm not a ENIC hater and am realistic enough to know that we could easily end up with worse owners. Also that pumping in money doesn't guarantee trophies.. But Levy has consistently made bad football decisions that have cost us at key moments. I'd be happy if someone bought him out, got a new CEO in, and slowly bought out ENIC.
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Pumping money gets you trophies in the end mate there’s no 2 ways about it. Newcastle will prove this in 3/4 years. Liverpool might not pump money in like City/Chelsea but they had a particular massive spend which saw them propel to where they are now. 100% you have to spend big money for proper success. Hence why Spurs will never be a successful football club Under the current regime
posted on 4/2/22
Pumping money gets you trophies in the end mate there’s no 2 ways about it. Newcastle will prove this in 3/4 years.
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We'll see about Newcastle. It's levels though, init. Endless money from an oil state, yeah of course. But I give you Everton, Derby and West Ham as examples where it doesn't guarantee trophies. Not if you don't spend it right.
It took City years to understand they needed to get a top DoF in who would build a team properly and have the right connections to get Pep in. It's about a long term strategy and plan, not just putting zeros on transfer fees.
posted on 4/2/22
So would you be happy with American owners who potentially join forces with the Glaziers, Kronke and FSG to have another crack at the super league?
Or another Russian oil baron who has links with Putin?
Or some Prince from the Saudi or the UAE with their 3rd world prehistoric mentality who treat women as second class people not to mention their record with human rights?
Then we come to Chi-na as Trump would say. Look at their treatment of the Uyghur's for example.
However this Forrest Li bloke seems to amassed his wealth mainly from on line activity and e commerce which is ok with me.
As long as new potential owners can pass the fit and proper test without any negative issues I am coolio.
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