How about Richard Branston?
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 3 minutes ago
How about Richard Branston?
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Isn't he more interested in Space? Plus I don't like his teeth.
comment by LukaBrasi 🇮🇹 COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 3 minutes ago
How about Richard Branston?
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Isn't he more interested in Space? Plus I don't like his teeth.
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Yeah you're right. That's a pickle
Richard Branson - Virgin over Enic/Levy any day of the week
Knowing Spurs you'll probably get bought out by the wrong country. Haiti, Somalia or some such.
comment by it'sonlyagame - Newcastle till I’m dismembered (U6426)
posted 8 minutes ago
Knowing Spurs you'll probably get bought out by the wrong country. Haiti, Somalia or some such.
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And probably bottle it too
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 22 minutes ago
I also dispute the one league cup in 21 years being a result of poor ownership. We’ve reached numerous finals and semi finals in that time and the players/coach of the time have failed to get us over the line - that is an entirely separate cultural mentality issue in my opinion and little to do with ownership.
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Not sure about this.
Aside from the very obvious times that Levy has failed to back managers when we were on the verge of winning things (Arry and Poch in particular) the cultural mentality is very much in the remit of the owners. Especially when they've been around so long.
I'm not a ENIC hater and am realistic enough to know that we could easily end up with worse owners. Also that pumping in money doesn't guarantee trophies.. But Levy has consistently made bad football decisions that have cost us at key moments. I'd be happy if someone bought him out, got a new CEO in, and slowly bought out ENIC.
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How many of those failures in semi finals and finals under ENIC were at the hands of clubs that were prepared to spend the money required to bring success though, all of them were against clubs with owners who are prepared to spend more than ENIC, barring maybe the Pompey semi final when we were royally shafted by Alan Wiley.
comment by ●Billy The Yidd● 20*21*22* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 22 minutes ago
I also dispute the one league cup in 21 years being a result of poor ownership. We’ve reached numerous finals and semi finals in that time and the players/coach of the time have failed to get us over the line - that is an entirely separate cultural mentality issue in my opinion and little to do with ownership.
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Not sure about this.
Aside from the very obvious times that Levy has failed to back managers when we were on the verge of winning things (Arry and Poch in particular) the cultural mentality is very much in the remit of the owners. Especially when they've been around so long.
I'm not a ENIC hater and am realistic enough to know that we could easily end up with worse owners. Also that pumping in money doesn't guarantee trophies.. But Levy has consistently made bad football decisions that have cost us at key moments. I'd be happy if someone bought him out, got a new CEO in, and slowly bought out ENIC.
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How many of those failures in semi finals and finals under ENIC were at the hands of clubs that were prepared to spend the money required to bring success though, all of them were against clubs with owners who are prepared to spend more than ENIC, barring maybe the Pompey semi final when we were royally shafted by Alan Wiley.
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And I'd add that the one cup that was lifted was very much against the odds.
My initial position is no. I don’t want them to sell. I’ll then assess any potential buyer, but I am very, very cautious about any sale of the club. I don’t necessarily see it as a positive
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 39 minutes ago
Pumping money gets you trophies in the end mate there’s no 2 ways about it. Newcastle will prove this in 3/4 years.
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We'll see about Newcastle. It's levels though, init. Endless money from an oil state, yeah of course. But I give you Everton, Derby and West Ham as examples where it doesn't guarantee trophies. Not if you don't spend it right.
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This point is being repeated over and over but I think it's nonsense.
All those clubs have spent a tiny fraction of what City have spent. They've not spent enough to make a comparison.
City have the money to cover up their mistakes and keep buying until it works. The others don't.
This might be a slightly biased viewpoint to make the Arab owner thing more palatable but it could be argued that gaining Middle Eastern interest in the Premier League bridges the cultural gap between them and us. Sure, it's sport-washing but it's that cultural difference that fuels conflict. It's only by demonstrating how western civilisation works with all the democratic freedoms we have can you influence other, more oppressed nations. You don't get anywhere by punishing them. In Britain, we're far more entrenched in the U.S way of life and a small part of that is sport. There's far more interest in NFL than there used to be amongst many other American influences to the point where our language and way of life is evolving. They're much further away culturally but it could be argued that long term, more PL interest in the Middle Eastern states could see a drop in human rights atrocities.
Or is this me just trying to justify an ownership of this type?
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 38 minutes ago
comment by Del Boy (U22000)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi 🇮🇹 COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 36 minutes ago
New Owners does not equal Trophies. The Glaziers were lucky they had SAF when they took over. Now look at them. Look at the state of Arsenal under the Kronkes (they have won FA cups however) but thats enough for their fans. The Didlo brothers are West Ham fans, still potless, Everton's new owner has more money than sense. Wolves owners treat the club as feeding ground for the big boys.
Only Chelsea and City have won trophies consistently since they have been taken over. That's two clubs out of 20 odd. Liverpool have done well under FSG but they run a tight ship like ENIC.
As long as the threat of Covid does not impact stadiums we will be able to buy better players. We are on course to make tidy profit this season now fans are back. That's despite us being in the conference league. Profits do go back into the team.
If Spurs get a new naming rights deal or an NFL franchise, the value of the club will only increase making it more difficult for any potential buyers.
But that extra revenue should and will go back into team.
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This.
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Yes but it's still about money and I think that's the point. Yes it can go wrong despite heavy investment, as it has for Everton, but generally speaking if you keep ploughing money in, eventually you'll get there. Chelsea have always spent themselves out of trouble since RA came in. The same will be true of City when Pep leaves and things begin to dip. Newcastle, the same.
The difference is between getting an owner in that's looking for investment or looking for something beyond money. The common denominator between City, Chelsea, Newcastle and PSG is that the reason for the owners' investment was never about acquiring more money. It was an exercise in PR. That's what you need in order to be truly one of the elite. Anyone looking to buy a club because they've got one eye on the money that can be made from it will always have the same level of caution that our current owners have.
We won't be able to join the elite unless we sleep with the devil to a certain extent. Owners that are doing it for money aren't worth bothering with. That's what we have now so it's pointless.
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They aint the elite, they are just new money. And they are in the absolute minority.
Almost every other club tries their best to achieve the absolute best they can with the resources they have, and try to maximise those resources through good management and a strong commerical side to the club.
As fans, that is all we can hope and expect our owners do, and if it brings us success then great. If we cannot join the "elite" lottery winners because their finances are off the chart, then so be it.
Aspiring to have a sugar daddy owner is pathetic IMO. Support the club for the love of the club, not because we've been bought by a country and have become box office.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 9 minutes ago
This might be a slightly biased viewpoint to make the Arab owner thing more palatable but it could be argued that gaining Middle Eastern interest in the Premier League bridges the cultural gap between them and us. Sure, it's sport-washing but it's that cultural difference that fuels conflict. It's only by demonstrating how western civilisation works with all the democratic freedoms we have can you influence other, more oppressed nations. You don't get anywhere by punishing them. In Britain, we're far more entrenched in the U.S way of life and a small part of that is sport. There's far more interest in NFL than there used to be amongst many other American influences to the point where our language and way of life is evolving. They're much further away culturally but it could be argued that long term, more PL interest in the Middle Eastern states could see a drop in human rights atrocities.
Or is this me just trying to justify an ownership of this type?
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You could also bridge the gap in the opposite direction, end up replacing yellow cards for chopping off a foot. A tongue if it's for dissent.
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 38 minutes ago
comment by Del Boy (U22000)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi 🇮🇹 COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 36 minutes ago
New Owners does not equal Trophies. The Glaziers were lucky they had SAF when they took over. Now look at them. Look at the state of Arsenal under the Kronkes (they have won FA cups however) but thats enough for their fans. The Didlo brothers are West Ham fans, still potless, Everton's new owner has more money than sense. Wolves owners treat the club as feeding ground for the big boys.
Only Chelsea and City have won trophies consistently since they have been taken over. That's two clubs out of 20 odd. Liverpool have done well under FSG but they run a tight ship like ENIC.
As long as the threat of Covid does not impact stadiums we will be able to buy better players. We are on course to make tidy profit this season now fans are back. That's despite us being in the conference league. Profits do go back into the team.
If Spurs get a new naming rights deal or an NFL franchise, the value of the club will only increase making it more difficult for any potential buyers.
But that extra revenue should and will go back into team.
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This.
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Yes but it's still about money and I think that's the point. Yes it can go wrong despite heavy investment, as it has for Everton, but generally speaking if you keep ploughing money in, eventually you'll get there. Chelsea have always spent themselves out of trouble since RA came in. The same will be true of City when Pep leaves and things begin to dip. Newcastle, the same.
The difference is between getting an owner in that's looking for investment or looking for something beyond money. The common denominator between City, Chelsea, Newcastle and PSG is that the reason for the owners' investment was never about acquiring more money. It was an exercise in PR. That's what you need in order to be truly one of the elite. Anyone looking to buy a club because they've got one eye on the money that can be made from it will always have the same level of caution that our current owners have.
We won't be able to join the elite unless we sleep with the devil to a certain extent. Owners that are doing it for money aren't worth bothering with. That's what we have now so it's pointless.
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They aint the elite, they are just new money. And they are in the absolute minority.
Almost every other club tries their best to achieve the absolute best they can with the resources they have, and try to maximise those resources through good management and a strong commerical side to the club.
As fans, that is all we can hope and expect our owners do, and if it brings us success then great. If we cannot join the "elite" lottery winners because their finances are off the chart, then so be it.
Aspiring to have a sugar daddy owner is pathetic IMO. Support the club for the love of the club, not because we've been bought by a country and have become box office.
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Yes, they are in a minority but by definition that makes them more elite. Whether you regard it as new money or not, they are increasingly dominating football. You can argue that occasionally a well run club like Liverpool or B Munich can upset the odds but you can't hide from the fact that they are beginning to dominate, not only their respective leagues, but the CL too. It's becoming an impenetrable wall to breach and is therefore harder to win any trophy for sides like us.
I'm not aspiring to have a sugar daddy owner but I am a realistic fan. Football is all about hope from the top of the pyramid right down to the bottom. If that hope is taken away or narrows exponentially, then the dreams we all have begin to die. As much as you don't want to admit it, you know it's true. Imagine you've been told that we'll finish 11th every year and won't win a cup again. That WILL diminish your enjoyment of the game. It's impossible for it not to.
If your objection about being bought by Middle Eastern states is based on ethical grounds, I get it, we all do, but it's also fine to recognise that there is an upside to it and that's the success we've always craved. All success is bought in football. There's a reason why we're in the top half and Accrington Stanley are where they are. It's all about money and since the birth of the Premier League it always has been. You can try and take some sort of moral high ground but there's dirty money all over the place. I see less questioning of Roman Abramovich, who also came into his money under a cloud, and a lot more for the Saudi and Abu Dhabi groups.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 38 minutes ago
comment by Del Boy (U22000)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi 🇮🇹 COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 36 minutes ago
New Owners does not equal Trophies. The Glaziers were lucky they had SAF when they took over. Now look at them. Look at the state of Arsenal under the Kronkes (they have won FA cups however) but thats enough for their fans. The Didlo brothers are West Ham fans, still potless, Everton's new owner has more money than sense. Wolves owners treat the club as feeding ground for the big boys.
Only Chelsea and City have won trophies consistently since they have been taken over. That's two clubs out of 20 odd. Liverpool have done well under FSG but they run a tight ship like ENIC.
As long as the threat of Covid does not impact stadiums we will be able to buy better players. We are on course to make tidy profit this season now fans are back. That's despite us being in the conference league. Profits do go back into the team.
If Spurs get a new naming rights deal or an NFL franchise, the value of the club will only increase making it more difficult for any potential buyers.
But that extra revenue should and will go back into team.
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This.
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Yes but it's still about money and I think that's the point. Yes it can go wrong despite heavy investment, as it has for Everton, but generally speaking if you keep ploughing money in, eventually you'll get there. Chelsea have always spent themselves out of trouble since RA came in. The same will be true of City when Pep leaves and things begin to dip. Newcastle, the same.
The difference is between getting an owner in that's looking for investment or looking for something beyond money. The common denominator between City, Chelsea, Newcastle and PSG is that the reason for the owners' investment was never about acquiring more money. It was an exercise in PR. That's what you need in order to be truly one of the elite. Anyone looking to buy a club because they've got one eye on the money that can be made from it will always have the same level of caution that our current owners have.
We won't be able to join the elite unless we sleep with the devil to a certain extent. Owners that are doing it for money aren't worth bothering with. That's what we have now so it's pointless.
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They aint the elite, they are just new money. And they are in the absolute minority.
Almost every other club tries their best to achieve the absolute best they can with the resources they have, and try to maximise those resources through good management and a strong commerical side to the club.
As fans, that is all we can hope and expect our owners do, and if it brings us success then great. If we cannot join the "elite" lottery winners because their finances are off the chart, then so be it.
Aspiring to have a sugar daddy owner is pathetic IMO. Support the club for the love of the club, not because we've been bought by a country and have become box office.
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Bolloks. There are only so many years of disappointment you can take as a Spurs fan where you feel enough is enough. I would say out of all the big clubs, us Spurs supporters are by far the longest suffering. It’s not pathetic to want you’re club to be truly successful by being taken over by someone richer who will help propel that dream. What is pathetic is supporting a club and just being happy plodding along and making up the numbers, how bloody boring
comment by ●Billy The Yidd● 20*21*22* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 22 minutes ago
I also dispute the one league cup in 21 years being a result of poor ownership. We’ve reached numerous finals and semi finals in that time and the players/coach of the time have failed to get us over the line - that is an entirely separate cultural mentality issue in my opinion and little to do with ownership.
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Not sure about this.
Aside from the very obvious times that Levy has failed to back managers when we were on the verge of winning things (Arry and Poch in particular) the cultural mentality is very much in the remit of the owners. Especially when they've been around so long.
I'm not a ENIC hater and am realistic enough to know that we could easily end up with worse owners. Also that pumping in money doesn't guarantee trophies.. But Levy has consistently made bad football decisions that have cost us at key moments. I'd be happy if someone bought him out, got a new CEO in, and slowly bought out ENIC.
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How many of those failures in semi finals and finals under ENIC were at the hands of clubs that were prepared to spend the money required to bring success though, all of them were against clubs with owners who are prepared to spend more than ENIC, barring maybe the Pompey semi final when we were royally shafted by Alan Wiley.
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You miss my point. I am not happy plodding along, Our owners have moved us into a position where we are much much better resourced and if they get other shiiit in order within the club then there is nothing stopping us from really challenging in the top 4.
With the foundations that have gone in i expect us to be very serious challengers for the top 4 and id we can maintain that consistency we can then expect to look even higher with the benefit of regular UCL money.
But none of this is instant, 2 clubs in our league have fast tracked themselves to the top in 20 years. Its not the norm. I believe ENIC have earned the right to get this new stadium era to work, the excuses are few to none now and I will judge them on how the next 2 or 3 yeas go because this is the best time for us to really develop as everything is all in place.
Buying a title? That's not why I became a fan or why I love Spurs!
comment by LukaBrasi 🇮🇹 COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 4 hours, 29 minutes ago
comment by ABC Jelly (U22709)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by ABC Jelly (U22709)
posted 4 minutes ago
Meanwhile Conte laying into the club’s transfer policy in his press conference. Does not sound like a particularly happy chappy right now.
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Seems pleased with the Kulu signing though and suggests he can also play rwb.
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Which is weird considering he is left footed!
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Not really, Kulusevic has scored a number of goals cutting in from the right wing. He has a very good left foot and curls the ball beautifully.
comment by GeniusGreaves (U1302)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi 🇮🇹 COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 4 hours, 29 minutes ago
comment by ABC Jelly (U22709)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by ABC Jelly (U22709)
posted 4 minutes ago
Meanwhile Conte laying into the club’s transfer policy in his press conference. Does not sound like a particularly happy chappy right now.
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Seems pleased with the Kulu signing though and suggests he can also play rwb.
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Which is weird considering he is left footed!
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Not really, Kulusevic has scored a number of goals cutting in from the right wing. He has a very good left foot and curls the ball beautifully.
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Has he ever played wing back before?
comment by ●Billy The Yidd● 20*21*22* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 7 minutes ago
ENIC out.
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Billy, you missed one. Levy out too.
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comment by ●Billy The Yidd● 20*21*22* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 3 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 22 minutes ago
I also dispute the one league cup in 21 years being a result of poor ownership. We’ve reached numerous finals and semi finals in that time and the players/coach of the time have failed to get us over the line - that is an entirely separate cultural mentality issue in my opinion and little to do with ownership.
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Not sure about this.
Aside from the very obvious times that Levy has failed to back managers when we were on the verge of winning things (Arry and Poch in particular) the cultural mentality is very much in the remit of the owners. Especially when they've been around so long.
I'm not a ENIC hater and am realistic enough to know that we could easily end up with worse owners. Also that pumping in money doesn't guarantee trophies.. But Levy has consistently made bad football decisions that have cost us at key moments. I'd be happy if someone bought him out, got a new CEO in, and slowly bought out ENIC.
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How many of those failures in semi finals and finals under ENIC were at the hands of clubs that were prepared to spend the money required to bring success though, all of them were against clubs with owners who are prepared to spend more than ENIC, barring maybe the Pompey semi final when we were royally shafted by Alan Wiley.
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Yeah definitely, it's a good point. There's a glass ceiling in place where you hit the natural limits. The CL final being the perfect example. Though maybe if we'd replaced Dembele and had a proper Kane sub..
Though I'd say how many cups in that time were we in for that worse teams won, or even the league that was up for grabs if we'd made a couple of good signings at the right time. Obviously it's all hindsight and easily argued against, but as fans we all know the frustration of being nearly there and not quite. Saha and Nelsen, no NEW STRIKER, no replacement for Walker..
It's fine margins but there's a tangible difference between making ok or not awful decisions, and the leadership that wins you trophies.
To put it simply, it's been over debated, but Poch didn't win anything. It's not his fault. It's not the players' fault. It's disingenuous to say either didn't want it or try hard enough. But there is a reason. There is a responsibility. I suspect Levy is well aware of it and it's why he hired Jose. Though sacking him before the cup final really undermined that logic and his own position, ultimately.
Levy has to go, for me. New owners or not.
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Hating on Lewis is like hating on a bank. Fair enough, but what do you expect? It's on the CEO or whoever makes the actual decisions that matters. See Everton. The bank has signed plenty of blank cheques..
We've spent the majority (all?) of what we've earned as a club under Levy/ENIC just often not in the right way or at the right time. Facker doesn't know what he doesn't know. It's frustrating as all heck. Even with Paratici in you can't escape the feeling Daniel is messing things up.
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posted on 4/2/22
How about Richard Branston?
posted on 4/2/22
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 3 minutes ago
How about Richard Branston?
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Isn't he more interested in Space? Plus I don't like his teeth.
posted on 4/2/22
comment by LukaBrasi 🇮🇹 COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 3 minutes ago
How about Richard Branston?
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Isn't he more interested in Space? Plus I don't like his teeth.
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Yeah you're right. That's a pickle
posted on 4/2/22
Richard Branson - Virgin over Enic/Levy any day of the week
posted on 4/2/22
Knowing Spurs you'll probably get bought out by the wrong country. Haiti, Somalia or some such.
posted on 4/2/22
comment by it'sonlyagame - Newcastle till I’m dismembered (U6426)
posted 8 minutes ago
Knowing Spurs you'll probably get bought out by the wrong country. Haiti, Somalia or some such.
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And probably bottle it too
posted on 4/2/22
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 22 minutes ago
I also dispute the one league cup in 21 years being a result of poor ownership. We’ve reached numerous finals and semi finals in that time and the players/coach of the time have failed to get us over the line - that is an entirely separate cultural mentality issue in my opinion and little to do with ownership.
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Not sure about this.
Aside from the very obvious times that Levy has failed to back managers when we were on the verge of winning things (Arry and Poch in particular) the cultural mentality is very much in the remit of the owners. Especially when they've been around so long.
I'm not a ENIC hater and am realistic enough to know that we could easily end up with worse owners. Also that pumping in money doesn't guarantee trophies.. But Levy has consistently made bad football decisions that have cost us at key moments. I'd be happy if someone bought him out, got a new CEO in, and slowly bought out ENIC.
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How many of those failures in semi finals and finals under ENIC were at the hands of clubs that were prepared to spend the money required to bring success though, all of them were against clubs with owners who are prepared to spend more than ENIC, barring maybe the Pompey semi final when we were royally shafted by Alan Wiley.
posted on 4/2/22
comment by ●Billy The Yidd● 20*21*22* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 22 minutes ago
I also dispute the one league cup in 21 years being a result of poor ownership. We’ve reached numerous finals and semi finals in that time and the players/coach of the time have failed to get us over the line - that is an entirely separate cultural mentality issue in my opinion and little to do with ownership.
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Not sure about this.
Aside from the very obvious times that Levy has failed to back managers when we were on the verge of winning things (Arry and Poch in particular) the cultural mentality is very much in the remit of the owners. Especially when they've been around so long.
I'm not a ENIC hater and am realistic enough to know that we could easily end up with worse owners. Also that pumping in money doesn't guarantee trophies.. But Levy has consistently made bad football decisions that have cost us at key moments. I'd be happy if someone bought him out, got a new CEO in, and slowly bought out ENIC.
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How many of those failures in semi finals and finals under ENIC were at the hands of clubs that were prepared to spend the money required to bring success though, all of them were against clubs with owners who are prepared to spend more than ENIC, barring maybe the Pompey semi final when we were royally shafted by Alan Wiley.
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And I'd add that the one cup that was lifted was very much against the odds.
posted on 4/2/22
My initial position is no. I don’t want them to sell. I’ll then assess any potential buyer, but I am very, very cautious about any sale of the club. I don’t necessarily see it as a positive
posted on 4/2/22
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 39 minutes ago
Pumping money gets you trophies in the end mate there’s no 2 ways about it. Newcastle will prove this in 3/4 years.
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We'll see about Newcastle. It's levels though, init. Endless money from an oil state, yeah of course. But I give you Everton, Derby and West Ham as examples where it doesn't guarantee trophies. Not if you don't spend it right.
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This point is being repeated over and over but I think it's nonsense.
All those clubs have spent a tiny fraction of what City have spent. They've not spent enough to make a comparison.
City have the money to cover up their mistakes and keep buying until it works. The others don't.
posted on 4/2/22
This might be a slightly biased viewpoint to make the Arab owner thing more palatable but it could be argued that gaining Middle Eastern interest in the Premier League bridges the cultural gap between them and us. Sure, it's sport-washing but it's that cultural difference that fuels conflict. It's only by demonstrating how western civilisation works with all the democratic freedoms we have can you influence other, more oppressed nations. You don't get anywhere by punishing them. In Britain, we're far more entrenched in the U.S way of life and a small part of that is sport. There's far more interest in NFL than there used to be amongst many other American influences to the point where our language and way of life is evolving. They're much further away culturally but it could be argued that long term, more PL interest in the Middle Eastern states could see a drop in human rights atrocities.
Or is this me just trying to justify an ownership of this type?
posted on 4/2/22
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 38 minutes ago
comment by Del Boy (U22000)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi 🇮🇹 COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 36 minutes ago
New Owners does not equal Trophies. The Glaziers were lucky they had SAF when they took over. Now look at them. Look at the state of Arsenal under the Kronkes (they have won FA cups however) but thats enough for their fans. The Didlo brothers are West Ham fans, still potless, Everton's new owner has more money than sense. Wolves owners treat the club as feeding ground for the big boys.
Only Chelsea and City have won trophies consistently since they have been taken over. That's two clubs out of 20 odd. Liverpool have done well under FSG but they run a tight ship like ENIC.
As long as the threat of Covid does not impact stadiums we will be able to buy better players. We are on course to make tidy profit this season now fans are back. That's despite us being in the conference league. Profits do go back into the team.
If Spurs get a new naming rights deal or an NFL franchise, the value of the club will only increase making it more difficult for any potential buyers.
But that extra revenue should and will go back into team.
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This.
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Yes but it's still about money and I think that's the point. Yes it can go wrong despite heavy investment, as it has for Everton, but generally speaking if you keep ploughing money in, eventually you'll get there. Chelsea have always spent themselves out of trouble since RA came in. The same will be true of City when Pep leaves and things begin to dip. Newcastle, the same.
The difference is between getting an owner in that's looking for investment or looking for something beyond money. The common denominator between City, Chelsea, Newcastle and PSG is that the reason for the owners' investment was never about acquiring more money. It was an exercise in PR. That's what you need in order to be truly one of the elite. Anyone looking to buy a club because they've got one eye on the money that can be made from it will always have the same level of caution that our current owners have.
We won't be able to join the elite unless we sleep with the devil to a certain extent. Owners that are doing it for money aren't worth bothering with. That's what we have now so it's pointless.
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They aint the elite, they are just new money. And they are in the absolute minority.
Almost every other club tries their best to achieve the absolute best they can with the resources they have, and try to maximise those resources through good management and a strong commerical side to the club.
As fans, that is all we can hope and expect our owners do, and if it brings us success then great. If we cannot join the "elite" lottery winners because their finances are off the chart, then so be it.
Aspiring to have a sugar daddy owner is pathetic IMO. Support the club for the love of the club, not because we've been bought by a country and have become box office.
posted on 4/2/22
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 9 minutes ago
This might be a slightly biased viewpoint to make the Arab owner thing more palatable but it could be argued that gaining Middle Eastern interest in the Premier League bridges the cultural gap between them and us. Sure, it's sport-washing but it's that cultural difference that fuels conflict. It's only by demonstrating how western civilisation works with all the democratic freedoms we have can you influence other, more oppressed nations. You don't get anywhere by punishing them. In Britain, we're far more entrenched in the U.S way of life and a small part of that is sport. There's far more interest in NFL than there used to be amongst many other American influences to the point where our language and way of life is evolving. They're much further away culturally but it could be argued that long term, more PL interest in the Middle Eastern states could see a drop in human rights atrocities.
Or is this me just trying to justify an ownership of this type?
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You could also bridge the gap in the opposite direction, end up replacing yellow cards for chopping off a foot. A tongue if it's for dissent.
posted on 4/2/22
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 38 minutes ago
comment by Del Boy (U22000)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi 🇮🇹 COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 36 minutes ago
New Owners does not equal Trophies. The Glaziers were lucky they had SAF when they took over. Now look at them. Look at the state of Arsenal under the Kronkes (they have won FA cups however) but thats enough for their fans. The Didlo brothers are West Ham fans, still potless, Everton's new owner has more money than sense. Wolves owners treat the club as feeding ground for the big boys.
Only Chelsea and City have won trophies consistently since they have been taken over. That's two clubs out of 20 odd. Liverpool have done well under FSG but they run a tight ship like ENIC.
As long as the threat of Covid does not impact stadiums we will be able to buy better players. We are on course to make tidy profit this season now fans are back. That's despite us being in the conference league. Profits do go back into the team.
If Spurs get a new naming rights deal or an NFL franchise, the value of the club will only increase making it more difficult for any potential buyers.
But that extra revenue should and will go back into team.
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This.
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Yes but it's still about money and I think that's the point. Yes it can go wrong despite heavy investment, as it has for Everton, but generally speaking if you keep ploughing money in, eventually you'll get there. Chelsea have always spent themselves out of trouble since RA came in. The same will be true of City when Pep leaves and things begin to dip. Newcastle, the same.
The difference is between getting an owner in that's looking for investment or looking for something beyond money. The common denominator between City, Chelsea, Newcastle and PSG is that the reason for the owners' investment was never about acquiring more money. It was an exercise in PR. That's what you need in order to be truly one of the elite. Anyone looking to buy a club because they've got one eye on the money that can be made from it will always have the same level of caution that our current owners have.
We won't be able to join the elite unless we sleep with the devil to a certain extent. Owners that are doing it for money aren't worth bothering with. That's what we have now so it's pointless.
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They aint the elite, they are just new money. And they are in the absolute minority.
Almost every other club tries their best to achieve the absolute best they can with the resources they have, and try to maximise those resources through good management and a strong commerical side to the club.
As fans, that is all we can hope and expect our owners do, and if it brings us success then great. If we cannot join the "elite" lottery winners because their finances are off the chart, then so be it.
Aspiring to have a sugar daddy owner is pathetic IMO. Support the club for the love of the club, not because we've been bought by a country and have become box office.
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Yes, they are in a minority but by definition that makes them more elite. Whether you regard it as new money or not, they are increasingly dominating football. You can argue that occasionally a well run club like Liverpool or B Munich can upset the odds but you can't hide from the fact that they are beginning to dominate, not only their respective leagues, but the CL too. It's becoming an impenetrable wall to breach and is therefore harder to win any trophy for sides like us.
I'm not aspiring to have a sugar daddy owner but I am a realistic fan. Football is all about hope from the top of the pyramid right down to the bottom. If that hope is taken away or narrows exponentially, then the dreams we all have begin to die. As much as you don't want to admit it, you know it's true. Imagine you've been told that we'll finish 11th every year and won't win a cup again. That WILL diminish your enjoyment of the game. It's impossible for it not to.
If your objection about being bought by Middle Eastern states is based on ethical grounds, I get it, we all do, but it's also fine to recognise that there is an upside to it and that's the success we've always craved. All success is bought in football. There's a reason why we're in the top half and Accrington Stanley are where they are. It's all about money and since the birth of the Premier League it always has been. You can try and take some sort of moral high ground but there's dirty money all over the place. I see less questioning of Roman Abramovich, who also came into his money under a cloud, and a lot more for the Saudi and Abu Dhabi groups.
posted on 4/2/22
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 38 minutes ago
comment by Del Boy (U22000)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi 🇮🇹 COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 36 minutes ago
New Owners does not equal Trophies. The Glaziers were lucky they had SAF when they took over. Now look at them. Look at the state of Arsenal under the Kronkes (they have won FA cups however) but thats enough for their fans. The Didlo brothers are West Ham fans, still potless, Everton's new owner has more money than sense. Wolves owners treat the club as feeding ground for the big boys.
Only Chelsea and City have won trophies consistently since they have been taken over. That's two clubs out of 20 odd. Liverpool have done well under FSG but they run a tight ship like ENIC.
As long as the threat of Covid does not impact stadiums we will be able to buy better players. We are on course to make tidy profit this season now fans are back. That's despite us being in the conference league. Profits do go back into the team.
If Spurs get a new naming rights deal or an NFL franchise, the value of the club will only increase making it more difficult for any potential buyers.
But that extra revenue should and will go back into team.
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This.
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Yes but it's still about money and I think that's the point. Yes it can go wrong despite heavy investment, as it has for Everton, but generally speaking if you keep ploughing money in, eventually you'll get there. Chelsea have always spent themselves out of trouble since RA came in. The same will be true of City when Pep leaves and things begin to dip. Newcastle, the same.
The difference is between getting an owner in that's looking for investment or looking for something beyond money. The common denominator between City, Chelsea, Newcastle and PSG is that the reason for the owners' investment was never about acquiring more money. It was an exercise in PR. That's what you need in order to be truly one of the elite. Anyone looking to buy a club because they've got one eye on the money that can be made from it will always have the same level of caution that our current owners have.
We won't be able to join the elite unless we sleep with the devil to a certain extent. Owners that are doing it for money aren't worth bothering with. That's what we have now so it's pointless.
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They aint the elite, they are just new money. And they are in the absolute minority.
Almost every other club tries their best to achieve the absolute best they can with the resources they have, and try to maximise those resources through good management and a strong commerical side to the club.
As fans, that is all we can hope and expect our owners do, and if it brings us success then great. If we cannot join the "elite" lottery winners because their finances are off the chart, then so be it.
Aspiring to have a sugar daddy owner is pathetic IMO. Support the club for the love of the club, not because we've been bought by a country and have become box office.
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Bolloks. There are only so many years of disappointment you can take as a Spurs fan where you feel enough is enough. I would say out of all the big clubs, us Spurs supporters are by far the longest suffering. It’s not pathetic to want you’re club to be truly successful by being taken over by someone richer who will help propel that dream. What is pathetic is supporting a club and just being happy plodding along and making up the numbers, how bloody boring
posted on 4/2/22
comment by ●Billy The Yidd● 20*21*22* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 22 minutes ago
I also dispute the one league cup in 21 years being a result of poor ownership. We’ve reached numerous finals and semi finals in that time and the players/coach of the time have failed to get us over the line - that is an entirely separate cultural mentality issue in my opinion and little to do with ownership.
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Not sure about this.
Aside from the very obvious times that Levy has failed to back managers when we were on the verge of winning things (Arry and Poch in particular) the cultural mentality is very much in the remit of the owners. Especially when they've been around so long.
I'm not a ENIC hater and am realistic enough to know that we could easily end up with worse owners. Also that pumping in money doesn't guarantee trophies.. But Levy has consistently made bad football decisions that have cost us at key moments. I'd be happy if someone bought him out, got a new CEO in, and slowly bought out ENIC.
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How many of those failures in semi finals and finals under ENIC were at the hands of clubs that were prepared to spend the money required to bring success though, all of them were against clubs with owners who are prepared to spend more than ENIC, barring maybe the Pompey semi final when we were royally shafted by Alan Wiley.
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You miss my point. I am not happy plodding along, Our owners have moved us into a position where we are much much better resourced and if they get other shiiit in order within the club then there is nothing stopping us from really challenging in the top 4.
With the foundations that have gone in i expect us to be very serious challengers for the top 4 and id we can maintain that consistency we can then expect to look even higher with the benefit of regular UCL money.
But none of this is instant, 2 clubs in our league have fast tracked themselves to the top in 20 years. Its not the norm. I believe ENIC have earned the right to get this new stadium era to work, the excuses are few to none now and I will judge them on how the next 2 or 3 yeas go because this is the best time for us to really develop as everything is all in place.
Buying a title? That's not why I became a fan or why I love Spurs!
posted on 4/2/22
comment by LukaBrasi 🇮🇹 COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 4 hours, 29 minutes ago
comment by ABC Jelly (U22709)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by ABC Jelly (U22709)
posted 4 minutes ago
Meanwhile Conte laying into the club’s transfer policy in his press conference. Does not sound like a particularly happy chappy right now.
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Seems pleased with the Kulu signing though and suggests he can also play rwb.
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Which is weird considering he is left footed!
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Not really, Kulusevic has scored a number of goals cutting in from the right wing. He has a very good left foot and curls the ball beautifully.
posted on 4/2/22
comment by GeniusGreaves (U1302)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi 🇮🇹 COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 4 hours, 29 minutes ago
comment by ABC Jelly (U22709)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by ABC Jelly (U22709)
posted 4 minutes ago
Meanwhile Conte laying into the club’s transfer policy in his press conference. Does not sound like a particularly happy chappy right now.
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Seems pleased with the Kulu signing though and suggests he can also play rwb.
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Which is weird considering he is left footed!
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Not really, Kulusevic has scored a number of goals cutting in from the right wing. He has a very good left foot and curls the ball beautifully.
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Has he ever played wing back before?
posted on 4/2/22
ENIC out.
posted on 4/2/22
comment by ●Billy The Yidd● 20*21*22* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 7 minutes ago
ENIC out.
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Billy, you missed one. Levy out too.
posted on 4/2/22
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posted on 4/2/22
comment by ●Billy The Yidd● 20*21*22* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 3 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 22 minutes ago
I also dispute the one league cup in 21 years being a result of poor ownership. We’ve reached numerous finals and semi finals in that time and the players/coach of the time have failed to get us over the line - that is an entirely separate cultural mentality issue in my opinion and little to do with ownership.
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Not sure about this.
Aside from the very obvious times that Levy has failed to back managers when we were on the verge of winning things (Arry and Poch in particular) the cultural mentality is very much in the remit of the owners. Especially when they've been around so long.
I'm not a ENIC hater and am realistic enough to know that we could easily end up with worse owners. Also that pumping in money doesn't guarantee trophies.. But Levy has consistently made bad football decisions that have cost us at key moments. I'd be happy if someone bought him out, got a new CEO in, and slowly bought out ENIC.
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How many of those failures in semi finals and finals under ENIC were at the hands of clubs that were prepared to spend the money required to bring success though, all of them were against clubs with owners who are prepared to spend more than ENIC, barring maybe the Pompey semi final when we were royally shafted by Alan Wiley.
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Yeah definitely, it's a good point. There's a glass ceiling in place where you hit the natural limits. The CL final being the perfect example. Though maybe if we'd replaced Dembele and had a proper Kane sub..
Though I'd say how many cups in that time were we in for that worse teams won, or even the league that was up for grabs if we'd made a couple of good signings at the right time. Obviously it's all hindsight and easily argued against, but as fans we all know the frustration of being nearly there and not quite. Saha and Nelsen, no NEW STRIKER, no replacement for Walker..
It's fine margins but there's a tangible difference between making ok or not awful decisions, and the leadership that wins you trophies.
posted on 4/2/22
To put it simply, it's been over debated, but Poch didn't win anything. It's not his fault. It's not the players' fault. It's disingenuous to say either didn't want it or try hard enough. But there is a reason. There is a responsibility. I suspect Levy is well aware of it and it's why he hired Jose. Though sacking him before the cup final really undermined that logic and his own position, ultimately.
Levy has to go, for me. New owners or not.
posted on 4/2/22
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posted on 5/2/22
Hating on Lewis is like hating on a bank. Fair enough, but what do you expect? It's on the CEO or whoever makes the actual decisions that matters. See Everton. The bank has signed plenty of blank cheques..
We've spent the majority (all?) of what we've earned as a club under Levy/ENIC just often not in the right way or at the right time. Facker doesn't know what he doesn't know. It's frustrating as all heck. Even with Paratici in you can't escape the feeling Daniel is messing things up.
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