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posted on 20/7/22

"100% he did, why wouldn't he?"

Probably because it could cost him his license.

comment by JFK (U8919)

posted on 20/7/22

i'm fairly sure he could say "the deals worth potentially 16 million" and not lose his job ffs

posted on 20/7/22

No hundreds of millions for being in the Europa League and I'm not sure I've ever seen anyone or any source claim we had.

posted on 20/7/22

comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted 3 seconds ago
Hagi is out until next year so thats a non factor
Arfield & Kamara don't play the same position so that doesn't impact him
Lawrence potentially over a season but was signed to replace Ramsey and the role he was signed for

Tillman and Lowry are the 2 x 10s in the squad currently and Lowry is injured. As it stands you're talking about loaning a guy on the basis he can't get a game with no basis to go on.

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thats why i said when hagi to comeback.

Gio uses Arfield & kamara in the role rather than play Lowry ... thats the point Lawrence/Tillman/Kamara/arfield will all get that no.10 role before Lowry.

it might not be hat you like but its what Gio has shown is his preference and its hard to see us bring in two no 10's (10 is lawrence preferred position) and Tillman and not be preference.

Sakala/Wright/Kent/Matondo all start in wide position before Lowry.

If he is gonna develop into the player we all think he can be he needs to play week in week out its that simple, he needs to play at the level we will expect him to play at for us which is top flight football.

comment by JFK (U8919)

posted on 20/7/22

tons on hear claiming it, go back and read them.

read through the live thread on the final and you will see a few examples...

think they are confused with turkish lira.

posted on 20/7/22

He could only say that if it was. If the deal wasn't worth £16m and he claimed it was he could be in bother.

I'm not sure anyone has any reason to make it up and ultimately it will show in the accounts of both clubs.

posted on 20/7/22

comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 7 seconds ago
tons on hear claiming it, go back and read them.

read through the live thread on the final and you will see a few examples...

think they are confused with turkish lira.
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Tbh not important enough to do that. I've never seen anyone on any platform claim hundreds of millions of prizemoney but will take your word for it.

comment by JFK (U8919)

posted on 20/7/22

Tbh not important enough to do that. I've never seen anyone on any platform claim hundreds of millions of prizemoney but will take your word for it.
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nah not having that, go read it all and you will see.

posted on 20/7/22

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted 3 seconds ago
Hagi is out until next year so thats a non factor
Arfield & Kamara don't play the same position so that doesn't impact him
Lawrence potentially over a season but was signed to replace Ramsey and the role he was signed for

Tillman and Lowry are the 2 x 10s in the squad currently and Lowry is injured. As it stands you're talking about loaning a guy on the basis he can't get a game with no basis to go on.

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thats why i said when hagi to comeback.

Gio uses Arfield & kamara in the role rather than play Lowry ... thats the point Lawrence/Tillman/Kamara/arfield will all get that no.10 role before Lowry.

it might not be hat you like but its what Gio has shown is his preference and its hard to see us bring in two no 10's (10 is lawrence preferred position) and Tillman and not be preference.

Sakala/Wright/Kent/Matondo all start in wide position before Lowry.

If he is gonna develop into the player we all think he can be he needs to play week in week out its that simple, he needs to play at the level we will expect him to play at for us which is top flight football.
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No one plays week in week out for us with 2 exceptions. I'm not sure where you're getting that Gio would prefer to use Kamara or Arfield as a 10 over Lowry, the boy is injured just now it's not a case of him being dropped.

And by the way there's a fair chance his injury is a result of the transformation in his body as he does his first senior pre season. Another reason why playing every week shouldn't be on anyone's agenda for him with us at that age.

posted on 20/7/22

comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 7 seconds ago
tons on hear claiming it, go back and read them.

read through the live thread on the final and you will see a few examples...

think they are confused with turkish lira.
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Tbh not important enough to do that. I've never seen anyone on any platform claim hundreds of millions of prizemoney but will take your word for it.
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leave it ... JFK is just a "Timmy" parody account these days

posted on 20/7/22

comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 6 minutes ago
i'm fairly sure he could say "the deals worth potentially 16 million" and not lose his job ffs
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But then he wouldnt be lying?

posted on 20/7/22

comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted 3 seconds ago
Hagi is out until next year so thats a non factor
Arfield & Kamara don't play the same position so that doesn't impact him
Lawrence potentially over a season but was signed to replace Ramsey and the role he was signed for

Tillman and Lowry are the 2 x 10s in the squad currently and Lowry is injured. As it stands you're talking about loaning a guy on the basis he can't get a game with no basis to go on.

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thats why i said when hagi to comeback.

Gio uses Arfield & kamara in the role rather than play Lowry ... thats the point Lawrence/Tillman/Kamara/arfield will all get that no.10 role before Lowry.

it might not be hat you like but its what Gio has shown is his preference and its hard to see us bring in two no 10's (10 is lawrence preferred position) and Tillman and not be preference.

Sakala/Wright/Kent/Matondo all start in wide position before Lowry.

If he is gonna develop into the player we all think he can be he needs to play week in week out its that simple, he needs to play at the level we will expect him to play at for us which is top flight football.
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No one plays week in week out for us with 2 exceptions. I'm not sure where you're getting that Gio would prefer to use Kamara or Arfield as a 10 over Lowry, the boy is injured just now it's not a case of him being dropped.

And by the way there's a fair chance his injury is a result of the transformation in his body as he does his first senior pre season. Another reason why playing every week shouldn't be on anyone's agenda for him with us at that age.
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ffs taking everything literally and missing the point.

Lowry will get 3/4 starts if he is lucky, 5/6 sub appearances in a season with us. slightly more than he got last season despite their being more competition than last year.

getting 30-50 games for a team in our league would benefit far far more.

Il leave it that......... its not even a debate as far im concerned .....

if you think he benefits more from a few fleeting appearances for us in low pressure easy games than he does playing a full campaign for another team in our league. If you think Gio is gonna have him high enough in the pecking order where he get 20/30 games this season for us. then so be it thats your opinion its 100% not mine

comment by JFK (U8919)

posted on 20/7/22

bending the truth at the time.

maybe one day it will be worth more and he knows that but it requires all stipulations of the deal to be met, who knows what they are.

agents do it all the time, just last week a player went for 6 million and people were saying it was 10...

posted on 20/7/22

comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 56 seconds ago
bending the truth at the time.

maybe one day it will be worth more and he knows that but it requires all stipulations of the deal to be met, who knows what they are.

agents do it all the time, just last week a player went for 6 million and people were saying it was 10...
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People have been pretty clear on the Aribo deal - it is £6m up front but with add ons it may hit £10m.

You said Pattersons Agent 100% lied. Now you are saying he didnt lie.

It can be both.

If he was asked what the up front fee or guaranteed value of the deal was and he said £16m then he lied.

If he was asked what the total value of the deal was and he said 'up to £16m' then thats not even 'bending the truth' never mind lying.

Thats stating facts.

It seems to be that Celtic fans simply dont like the facts.

If Ajax hadnt announced the Bassey deal figures today I am sure there would have been plenty folks saying the figures in the press/social media were absolute nonsense.

posted on 20/7/22

*cant be both

comment by JFK (U8919)

posted on 20/7/22

See if you got told your mrs was pumping someone and you pulled her up and she said she didn't, and then you found out she'd just gave a blowy and she hit you with "but you asked if i pumped him and a didnae so there"

would you think she lied to you?

posted on 20/7/22

comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 52 seconds ago
See if you got told your mrs was pumping someone and you pulled her up and she said she didn't, and then you found out she'd just gave a blowy and she hit you with "but you asked if i pumped him and a didnae so there"

would you think she lied to you?
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No

posted on 20/7/22

comment by Humble Hamish (U21959)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 56 seconds ago
bending the truth at the time.

maybe one day it will be worth more and he knows that but it requires all stipulations of the deal to be met, who knows what they are.

agents do it all the time, just last week a player went for 6 million and people were saying it was 10...
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People have been pretty clear on the Aribo deal - it is £6m up front but with add ons it may hit £10m.

You said Pattersons Agent 100% lied. Now you are saying he didnt lie.

It can be both.

If he was asked what the up front fee or guaranteed value of the deal was and he said £16m then he lied.

If he was asked what the total value of the deal was and he said 'up to £16m' then thats not even 'bending the truth' never mind lying.

Thats stating facts.

It seems to be that Celtic fans simply dont like the facts.

If Ajax hadnt announced the Bassey deal figures today I am sure there would have been plenty folks saying the figures in the press/social media were absolute nonsense.
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John the celtic fan..... J FK .

just saying

comment by JFK (U8919)

posted on 20/7/22

comment by Humble Hamish (U21959)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 52 seconds ago
See if you got told your mrs was pumping someone and you pulled her up and she said she didn't, and then you found out she'd just gave a blowy and she hit you with "but you asked if i pumped him and a didnae so there"

would you think she lied to you?
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No
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aye ok

"you're right moira, my bad, fancy a cuppa?"

posted on 20/7/22

comment by Humble Hamish (U21959)
posted 1 second ago
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 52 seconds ago
See if you got told your mrs was pumping someone and you pulled her up and she said she didn't, and then you found out she'd just gave a blowy and she hit you with "but you asked if i pumped him and a didnae so there"

would you think she lied to you?
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No
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We are dealing in absolutes here and you asked the wrong question for that scenario.

You are supposed to say if I had asked 'did you cheat on me' and she said 'no' then is she lying.

And then there is a debate around what cheating on someone actually is.

But all that does is serve to highlight how important the actual language of what was asked/what was stated is.

If Pattersons agent 100% lied you should be able to say - as I said before - something like "he answered £16m to the question what was the up front fee for Nathan".

That is a clear lie. If £16m is indeed the potential value of the package and he answered it to a question relating to the possible total value then he didnt lie.

This is simple.

Patterson going to Rangers for £12-16m is GOOD.

If there is any possible reason that can be found or created to try and deny a Rangers GOOD scenario then celtic fans of a certain mindset (ie the Rangers BAD one) will go all in on it.

Its just bizarre.

posted on 20/7/22

Just out of curiosity, when celtic sold :
Teirney , Edouard, Ajer, Frimpong how many weeks, months comments were made demanding to know confirmed the values and how it was paid up?

strange .....

posted on 20/7/22

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 16 seconds ago
Just out of curiosity, when celtic sold :
Teirney , Edouard, Ajer, Frimpong how many weeks, months comments were made demanding to know confirmed the values and how it was paid up?

strange .....
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Exactly.

It was a lot of money. Well done. Lets go outside and do something less boring instead.

Who - fookin - cares!!??

Its like them constantly banging on about Europa League earnings. It will not change my life one iota if I know that number to the nearest one million euro or five million euro.

Why on earth do they care?

comment by Silver (U6112)

posted on 20/7/22

comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted 40 minutes ago
"100% he did, why wouldn't he?"

Probably because it could cost him his license.
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What license would that be - none is needed - anyone can claim to be an agent, quite rightly too.

posted on 20/7/22

comment by Humble Hamish (U21959)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 16 seconds ago
Just out of curiosity, when celtic sold :
Teirney , Edouard, Ajer, Frimpong how many weeks, months comments were made demanding to know confirmed the values and how it was paid up?

strange .....
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Exactly.

It was a lot of money. Well done. Lets go outside and do something less boring instead.

Who - fookin - cares!!??

Its like them constantly banging on about Europa League earnings. It will not change my life one iota if I know that number to the nearest one million euro or five million euro.

Why on earth do they care?


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what this court case for ..... whats that one for.

How much paid upfront, how much in add ons, who confirmed the bid (agents and chairmen dont count!) when is it paid. how much of it do you owe out, how much debt you in.

It makes you wonder why they get tagged with the "obsessed" title . no idea at all?

comment by Silver (U6112)

posted on 20/7/22

comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 23 minutes ago
See if you got told your mrs was pumping someone and you pulled her up and she said she didn't, and then you found out she'd just gave a blowy and she hit you with "but you asked if i pumped him and a didnae so there"

would you think she lied to you?
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Hi Mr Clinton

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