No real reason why an upcoming coach can't be as good as a wiser head when you look at it and Beale in fairness has actually been coaching for quite a while. His path seems similar to some like Potter and Rodgers.

No doubt it is a risk though.

I do love how many experts there are on MM though. Losing their shat over some names while championing other random names.

Still can't fathom the hatred for Pedro Martins for a start, Bosz another who apparently is god awful. Meanwhile Amorim is absolutely brilliant and worth the extortionate release clause.

Rodgers spent three years managing in the championship before taking Swansea to the Premier League. Potter spent 8 years managing Swedish side Ostersund who were a lower division team when he joined.

Beale is much more jumping in at the deep end compared to them

Very risky for sure and unfortunately you just know some are gonna jump all over him after a month if it isn't an instant fix which of course it won't be.

My bad on Potter, for some reason i thought he had worked under a few names first.

It’s impossible for the average fan to draw any kind of conclusion on whether or not he’ll make it work based on the very limited information we have to draw on.
Shi & Sellars will/should have far more to go on as they will have met him and discussed his philosophies and methods in detail.
Do we trust their judgement on a risky call like this?
Personally, I don’t.
I’ve seen far too much money pi$$ed up the wall on poor signings and far too many bizarre and ill-conceived decisions over the last few seasons to have any faith in them betting against the house and winning.

Hope I’m wrong but this one will worry me massively if it happens.

Looking at QPRs last couple of games they’ve been playing 433 and have dominated possession even in a game they lost

A risk it may be, but one I feel is worth taking.
Should he be rubbish, then send for Loppy.

He's done well with Chelsea and Liverpool youth teams

Not a signing to get us excited but hopefully he hits the ground running

I'm really surprised people seem relaxed or supportive about it. He's basically brand new to being a manager, which is different to coaching. It would be one thing bringing in Svensson as a bright young thing with relatively little experience for example, but this is something else. People don't want Martins it seems because he's only won the Greek league three times...that's 20% of the number of times Beale has managed a football team.

I get that he is highly rated and seems to have a lot of potential, but I don't know of many other jobs in the world where someone would get this opportunity with so little direct experience.

I do believe that people can show potential that warrants that leap of faith and if we felt like a side marooned in mid table wanting to try something different to see if it can push them on, with no real risk of going down, then I'd be all for that - but we're utterly devoid of confidence and in the bottom three, unable to score and not defending very well either any more. I can't think of a worse time to roll the dice given what we stand to lose.

We have to roll the dice, nothing is guaranteed so there is nothing to stop a young enthusiastic manager to make his mark. Conversely an experienced manager can just as easily fall down.
Roll the dice.

Rolling the dice is going for someone like Svensson with minimal managerial experience. Can you think of any example of a premier league club ever appointing someone who has been a manager for fifteen games? Obviously nothing is guaranteed but the whole point is you can affect the odds of success - appointing Klopp would be a very safe bet, appointing Jeff's nan would be a ludicrous venture doomed to failure, everything sits on a line but I don't understand why we'd choose to be such outliers when we're in the position we're in.

Under Lage I think the jury was out for a long time then at the end of last season it felt like the time had come for a change. Then there was a decent investment in the team and I think the jury then was out again to see if the new faces improved us. But they didn’t.

Now under Beale the jury will again be out to see if he proves he can do the job with such little managerial experience. If that proves to be a negative then we really are playing Russian roulette with our premier league future

On the plus side Beale's career so far has not been blighted at all by failure, its been steady positive progression all the way.

Does remind me a hell of a lot of the Mark McGhee situation though.

One of the main problems at the moment is the lack of CB's at the club.

When we played 3 at the back, we had one of the best defensive records for two seasons. Since we've gone for the option of 4, I for one am seeing big problems at the back.

Kilman played the best I've ever seen him, when on the right of the back 3. Semedo, I think we can all agree, is better suited as a wing back, so why are we playing a system with the wrong players in the wrong positions?

Jonny is struggling at the moment, so a back 3 of Kilman, Collins and Toti/Bueno makes sense to me.

Semedo and Ait-Nouri as wing back, with Neves and Nunes in the middle of the midfield.

Adama, Costa, Podence/Guedes up front.

Whoever gets the nod for the managers job has a massive decision to make. If it is Beale, then he plays with a back 4, plus he's not Portuguese, so does that pi55 off our overseas contingent?

Plus, if results don't don't start improving, we can say goodbye to Neves in January and some of our other 'stars' may be looking for a club who can compete in Europe. We have very talented players, individually, but I'm afraid they're not working as a team.

We must stop looking for players from Portugal and steer away from Mendes.

I think if Coady was here then a back three would be a must right now but when Toti or Mosquera would have to start week in week out I doubt it would be that helpful right now.

I honestly don't think Collins and Kilman is a big problem but no doubt that the fullback situation is a bit messy. Our best two players for the position are Semedo and Ait-Nouri but I think e would all agree both are better as wing backs than full backs. Bueno looked pretty good Tuesday but again I suspect he is actually better suited as a wing back also. Honestly think Jonny needs to go next summer, he is miles off but ironically probably best equipped as a full back.

I doubt the players will care if a guy is Portuguese or not and we have heard of dissention with Nuno and especially Bruno. Also don't think we will see Neves go in January but I suspect unless we see a major uptick in our fortunes then Neves will go in the summer.

As for Mendes, you have to take the rough with the smooth. Without him we would never have finished 7th twice. Also way too early to be passing judgement on the summer additions. I actually thought Guedes looked ok Tuesday despite not being over excited initially about him coming. Nunes just needs to be used correctly, something that can be said about several of our players.

Agree with most of that cinci, how often have I said that?

Bueno only really got forward once against palace but made a good job of it. He did a good job defensively for most of the game.

We aren’t getting the best out of two very good players in Nunes and Guedes and hopefully the new manager can change that.

But the manager will inherit our lack of goal scorers and the formation of the team can’t solve that problem

If we presume Beale is the man then you have to say he has done remarkably well in a short time at QPR and this morning they sir top of the championship

I don't really think our defence is the problem to be honest.

Our problem is that we don't have any identity. We don't really do anything well. We don't press well, we don't move the ball quickly at any point, we're not direct, we don't have penetrative passing, players like Traore and Podence don't isolate and take players on like they used to etc.

I agree that we also don't get the best out of some of our players. The identity and getting more from our best players is something that a new manager should be able to change in a short space of time. Hopefully Beale can do that.

Sort of see where you're coming from Tam with "We don't really do anything well."

I would be a bit more positive by saying we do most things quite well, but none of them well enough, particularly putting the ball in the net, of course.

I would say we do most things adequately and look nice, bit don't do much well.

The positivity comes from the fact I think a manager with something about them and a clear game plan can give us the identity we lack.

I think a manager can do that to a degree (and potentially quite a good degree) but our current recruitment model means our identity will always be manager by manager and potentially their bedding in periods will be long as they'll each need a few transfer windows to get the players in to do what they want to do.

If we ever want to have a proper club identity like Brighton's (and like it looked like we had under Nuno) and that's THE key to success with our resources, then we need someone at the top of the club to set some kind of strategy. We can't keep just buying whichever wide forward is available at decent value in any given window and bouncing from a big name defensive former Spain and Real Madrid manager to a no name, potentially progressive coach with fifteen games of management experience in the championship. that's not intended to talk Beale down - just emphasising the world of difference between our first managerial choice and where we've ended up to illustrate the fact that this club has absolutely NO STRATEGY on the sporting side.

It would give the fans confidence too, at the moment I have absolutely no clue what we look for in a managerial appointment and it's not obvious to me that sellars and shi do. it feels like they genuinely get people in and whoever does the best presentation gets chosen but with absolutely no parameters set on that process.

Being reported Beale has turned Wolves down

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Being reported Beale has turned Wolves down
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We are such a shambles.

Yes, he’s staying at QPR.

Probably thinks he has more chance of being in the Premier League next season with QPR.

I think this shambles confirms that Jeff Shi should be removed from his current position. He has failed with every manager he has met so far.