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comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
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comment by Gilbert Napthine (U15867)
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comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 10 seconds ago
2. Accept that Fergie days are well and truly over.
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This gets brought up every time United lose a game.
Some pundit/ex-player/opposition fan comes out with 'It wasn't like this when I was playing here/when Fergie was in charge...'
then they immediately say 'the problem with United is that they are stuck in the past, the Fergie days are over...'
The club has moved on. Far away from the Fergie days. 5 or 6 managers later the club has probably got as far away from the Fergie era as possible, sadly.
It's pundits and oppo fans that keep raising the subject.
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Take out Busby and Fergie, just two managers in their entire history, and Utd are a bang average club.
I feel fans needs to get their head around this because it's only expectation that is the line between success and failure.
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I've seen you say this a few times - I don't really get what your point is?
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The point being that it's the fans expectations that are the issue. Utd are at their traditional level, bar the Fergie years and a bit of time when everything was in black and white.
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So by your logic only fans of clubs who’ve been successful throughout their entire existence (try and find one) should expect higher standards for the money spent and wages the players are on?
No but if the expectation was to finish in the top ten, rather than being elite like under Fergie, then the current situation would look a lot better.
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Gilbert Napthine (U15867)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 10 seconds ago
2. Accept that Fergie days are well and truly over.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This gets brought up every time United lose a game.
Some pundit/ex-player/opposition fan comes out with 'It wasn't like this when I was playing here/when Fergie was in charge...'
then they immediately say 'the problem with United is that they are stuck in the past, the Fergie days are over...'
The club has moved on. Far away from the Fergie days. 5 or 6 managers later the club has probably got as far away from the Fergie era as possible, sadly.
It's pundits and oppo fans that keep raising the subject.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Take out Busby and Fergie, just two managers in their entire history, and Utd are a bang average club.
I feel fans needs to get their head around this because it's only expectation that is the line between success and failure.
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I've seen you say this a few times - I don't really get what your point is?
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The point being that it's the fans expectations that are the issue. Utd are at their traditional level, bar the Fergie years and a bit of time when everything was in black and white.
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Yeah, but that kind of suggests that we were average before Fergie and were therefore somehow predestined to be average after him. It ignores the pretty important fact that in those 26 years we became an absolute behemoth of a football club, and the entire footballing landscape changed.
A club with our financial resource has underachieved massively over the past 10 years - whether or not we were average before Fergie came in is irrelevant.
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by Gilbert Napthine (U15867)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 10 seconds ago
2. Accept that Fergie days are well and truly over.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This gets brought up every time United lose a game.
Some pundit/ex-player/opposition fan comes out with 'It wasn't like this when I was playing here/when Fergie was in charge...'
then they immediately say 'the problem with United is that they are stuck in the past, the Fergie days are over...'
The club has moved on. Far away from the Fergie days. 5 or 6 managers later the club has probably got as far away from the Fergie era as possible, sadly.
It's pundits and oppo fans that keep raising the subject.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Take out Busby and Fergie, just two managers in their entire history, and Utd are a bang average club.
I feel fans needs to get their head around this because it's only expectation that is the line between success and failure.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Largely true of all English clubs.
I've said a few times though, that we've only had 3 title winning managers in our history. Chelsea had 3 in about 13 years and City had 3 in about 6 or 7.
United tend to find the goldilocks zone of football management every 40 years or so, and we are currently 37 years on from the last great appointment.
DNA innit.
Look at Everton and Spurs. Spent absolutely oodles, the Prem biggest under achievers in history, but DNA holds them back. It's just how it is.
No Fergie, no title push.
Our club pays entirely too much on players and salaries - it's the "Manchester United Tax". Everyone knows how desperate we are, and they basically rob us coming and going. I'd rather us flirt with relegation while cleaning out this overpaid rabble, as it could free us from all of this dead weight and free up money for young talent. We need a complete head-to-toe reboot.
City shouldn’t expect to win things because they’ve always been shiiiiiit.
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 36 seconds ago
No but if the expectation was to finish in the top ten, rather than being elite like under Fergie, then the current situation would look a lot better.
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I'm not sure if you're on the WUM or just being incredibly dense.
The fans' expectations are in the line with the size of the club, its financial resources; wages that it pays to playing staff, money it does & can spend on transfers and the calibre of player it is able to attract.
Also, define "elite"? Our expectations are to play attractive, entertaining football whilst being competitive at the top end of the league and in the CL. Those aren't unrealistic aims for United, Fergie or no Fergie.
Our expectations are to play attractive, entertaining football whilst being competitive at the top end of the league and in the CL. Those aren't unrealistic aims for United, Fergie or no Fergie.
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If it's realistic why has only one manager, arguably the greatest of all time, managed it in 50+ years?
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
Our expectations are to play attractive, entertaining football whilst being competitive at the top end of the league and in the CL. Those aren't unrealistic aims for United, Fergie or no Fergie.
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If it's realistic why has only one manager, arguably the greatest of all time, managed it in 50+ years?
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Well that's not true is it? We've won trophies outside of Busby & Ferguson's tenures, and finished in respectfully competitive league positions before and since Fergie.
At times, even in the last 10 years, we've played decent football, too (albeit nothing to write home about).
The primary reason we're currently in a mess is due to horrendous mis-management of the footballing operation once Fergie & Gill stepped away. We have the resources to easily fulfil the modest expectations I laid out. We simply don't have the right people overseeing any of it, however.
I'm certain Robbing is wumming here. I bet he didn't realign his expectations based on Liverpool going 30 years without winning the league.
Not once have Utd played 'attractive, entertaining football whilst being competitive at the top end of the league and in the CL.' bar under Fergie since 1971.
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 18 seconds ago
I'm certain Robbing is wumming here. I bet he didn't realign his expectations based on Liverpool going 30 years without winning the league.
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Of course I did.
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 18 seconds ago
I'm certain Robbing is wumming here. I bet he didn't realign his expectations based on Liverpool going 30 years without winning the league.
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Of course I did.
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You'd have expected more than top 10 wouldn't you? C'mon!
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 3 minutes ago
I'm certain Robbing is wumming here. I bet he didn't realign his expectations based on Liverpool going 30 years without winning the league.
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Nah I’ve seen him come out with this boooollocks before. It’s a Liverpool fan talking, so what do you expect?
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 18 seconds ago
I'm certain Robbing is wumming here. I bet he didn't realign his expectations based on Liverpool going 30 years without winning the league.
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Of course I did.
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You'd have expected more than top 10 wouldn't you? C'mon!
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Well yeah but we're a club that has won European Cups and leagues under various different managers, not just lucking out on two managers in our history.
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 18 seconds ago
I'm certain Robbing is wumming here. I bet he didn't realign his expectations based on Liverpool going 30 years without winning the league.
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Of course I did.
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You'd have expected more than top 10 wouldn't you? C'mon!
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Well yeah but we're a club that has won European Cups and leagues under various different managers, not just lucking out on two managers in our history.
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comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
Not once have Utd played 'attractive, entertaining football whilst being competitive at the top end of the league and in the CL.' bar under Fergie since 1971.
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1. You're not a United fan. So your ability to assess the merits of United's football on a regular basis will be limited.
2. How old are you?
3. All of those things combined are the top end of the expectation spectrum. We're obviously not going to compete every year for every trophy going and play immaculate football in the process. Fergie didn't do that either. No one here is deluded. But the goal should always to be play good football and be competitive for the top four, which is exactly what our wage & transfer capacity should consistently achieve when in the right footballing hands.
You know this, but you're on the wum, so no need to waste further time.
You're not a United fan. So your ability to assess the merits of United's football on a regular basis will be limited.
======
This is true, which is why Im able to provide an accurate appraisal rather than being emotionally incontinent.
Look Berba, you're the one that said 'attractive, entertaining football whilst being competitive at the top end of the league and in the CL.' is a reasonable expectation with or without Ferguson.
Fact is, we've literally never seen that since it since the 60's.
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 47 seconds ago
You're not a United fan. So your ability to assess the merits of United's football on a regular basis will be limited.
======
This is true, which is why Im able to provide an accurate appraisal rather than being emotionally incontinent.
Look Berba, you're the one that said 'attractive, entertaining football whilst being competitive at the top end of the league and in the CL.' is a reasonable expectation with or without Ferguson.
Fact is, we've literally never seen that since it since the 60's.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To be fair Atkinson provided that in the 80s. Granted there was no CL qualification for anyone other than the champions but we were up there and playing some decent stuff.
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 47 seconds ago
You're not a United fan. So your ability to assess the merits of United's football on a regular basis will be limited.
======
This is true, which is why Im able to provide an accurate appraisal rather than being emotionally incontinent.
Look Berba, you're the one that said 'attractive, entertaining football whilst being competitive at the top end of the league and in the CL.' is a reasonable expectation with or without Ferguson.
Fact is, we've literally never seen that since it since the 60's.
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To be fair Atkinson provided that in the 80s. Granted there was no CL qualification for anyone other than the champions but we were up there and playing some decent stuff.
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Fair and that's the Utd I know bar Fergie really. Lots of fans, play the right way, not very competitive.
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
Our expectations are to play attractive, entertaining football whilst being competitive at the top end of the league and in the CL. Those aren't unrealistic aims for United, Fergie or no Fergie.
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If it's realistic why has only one manager, arguably the greatest of all time, managed it in 50+ years?
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Well that's not true is it? We've won trophies outside of Busby & Ferguson's tenures, and finished in respectfully competitive league positions before and since Fergie.
At times, even in the last 10 years, we've played decent football, too (albeit nothing to write home about).
The primary reason we're currently in a mess is due to horrendous mis-management of the footballing operation once Fergie & Gill stepped away. We have the resources to easily fulfil the modest expectations I laid out. We simply don't have the right people overseeing any of it, however.
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Footballing operation, blah blah blah.
Same old umbrella terminology thrown around, with zero detail or subsstance.
May as well just say we neeed to do eveyfink betterer
I owe you an apology, you came 2nd with Sexton in 80. No idea what the football was like though.
History means fack all when City and Chelsea have been two of the most successful teams in England the last 20 years. It’s almost as if having lots of money and owners that know what to do with it is the most important thing in football.
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posted on 2/11/23
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Gilbert Napthine (U15867)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 10 seconds ago
2. Accept that Fergie days are well and truly over.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This gets brought up every time United lose a game.
Some pundit/ex-player/opposition fan comes out with 'It wasn't like this when I was playing here/when Fergie was in charge...'
then they immediately say 'the problem with United is that they are stuck in the past, the Fergie days are over...'
The club has moved on. Far away from the Fergie days. 5 or 6 managers later the club has probably got as far away from the Fergie era as possible, sadly.
It's pundits and oppo fans that keep raising the subject.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Take out Busby and Fergie, just two managers in their entire history, and Utd are a bang average club.
I feel fans needs to get their head around this because it's only expectation that is the line between success and failure.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I've seen you say this a few times - I don't really get what your point is?
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The point being that it's the fans expectations that are the issue. Utd are at their traditional level, bar the Fergie years and a bit of time when everything was in black and white.
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So by your logic only fans of clubs who’ve been successful throughout their entire existence (try and find one) should expect higher standards for the money spent and wages the players are on?
posted on 2/11/23
No but if the expectation was to finish in the top ten, rather than being elite like under Fergie, then the current situation would look a lot better.
posted on 2/11/23
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Gilbert Napthine (U15867)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 10 seconds ago
2. Accept that Fergie days are well and truly over.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This gets brought up every time United lose a game.
Some pundit/ex-player/opposition fan comes out with 'It wasn't like this when I was playing here/when Fergie was in charge...'
then they immediately say 'the problem with United is that they are stuck in the past, the Fergie days are over...'
The club has moved on. Far away from the Fergie days. 5 or 6 managers later the club has probably got as far away from the Fergie era as possible, sadly.
It's pundits and oppo fans that keep raising the subject.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Take out Busby and Fergie, just two managers in their entire history, and Utd are a bang average club.
I feel fans needs to get their head around this because it's only expectation that is the line between success and failure.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I've seen you say this a few times - I don't really get what your point is?
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The point being that it's the fans expectations that are the issue. Utd are at their traditional level, bar the Fergie years and a bit of time when everything was in black and white.
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Yeah, but that kind of suggests that we were average before Fergie and were therefore somehow predestined to be average after him. It ignores the pretty important fact that in those 26 years we became an absolute behemoth of a football club, and the entire footballing landscape changed.
A club with our financial resource has underachieved massively over the past 10 years - whether or not we were average before Fergie came in is irrelevant.
posted on 2/11/23
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by Gilbert Napthine (U15867)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 10 seconds ago
2. Accept that Fergie days are well and truly over.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This gets brought up every time United lose a game.
Some pundit/ex-player/opposition fan comes out with 'It wasn't like this when I was playing here/when Fergie was in charge...'
then they immediately say 'the problem with United is that they are stuck in the past, the Fergie days are over...'
The club has moved on. Far away from the Fergie days. 5 or 6 managers later the club has probably got as far away from the Fergie era as possible, sadly.
It's pundits and oppo fans that keep raising the subject.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Take out Busby and Fergie, just two managers in their entire history, and Utd are a bang average club.
I feel fans needs to get their head around this because it's only expectation that is the line between success and failure.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Largely true of all English clubs.
I've said a few times though, that we've only had 3 title winning managers in our history. Chelsea had 3 in about 13 years and City had 3 in about 6 or 7.
United tend to find the goldilocks zone of football management every 40 years or so, and we are currently 37 years on from the last great appointment.
posted on 2/11/23
DNA innit.
Look at Everton and Spurs. Spent absolutely oodles, the Prem biggest under achievers in history, but DNA holds them back. It's just how it is.
No Fergie, no title push.
posted on 2/11/23
Our club pays entirely too much on players and salaries - it's the "Manchester United Tax". Everyone knows how desperate we are, and they basically rob us coming and going. I'd rather us flirt with relegation while cleaning out this overpaid rabble, as it could free us from all of this dead weight and free up money for young talent. We need a complete head-to-toe reboot.
posted on 2/11/23
City shouldn’t expect to win things because they’ve always been shiiiiiit.
posted on 2/11/23
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 36 seconds ago
No but if the expectation was to finish in the top ten, rather than being elite like under Fergie, then the current situation would look a lot better.
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I'm not sure if you're on the WUM or just being incredibly dense.
The fans' expectations are in the line with the size of the club, its financial resources; wages that it pays to playing staff, money it does & can spend on transfers and the calibre of player it is able to attract.
Also, define "elite"? Our expectations are to play attractive, entertaining football whilst being competitive at the top end of the league and in the CL. Those aren't unrealistic aims for United, Fergie or no Fergie.
posted on 2/11/23
Our expectations are to play attractive, entertaining football whilst being competitive at the top end of the league and in the CL. Those aren't unrealistic aims for United, Fergie or no Fergie.
======
If it's realistic why has only one manager, arguably the greatest of all time, managed it in 50+ years?
posted on 2/11/23
Robbing hooDDy.
posted on 2/11/23
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
Our expectations are to play attractive, entertaining football whilst being competitive at the top end of the league and in the CL. Those aren't unrealistic aims for United, Fergie or no Fergie.
======
If it's realistic why has only one manager, arguably the greatest of all time, managed it in 50+ years?
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Well that's not true is it? We've won trophies outside of Busby & Ferguson's tenures, and finished in respectfully competitive league positions before and since Fergie.
At times, even in the last 10 years, we've played decent football, too (albeit nothing to write home about).
The primary reason we're currently in a mess is due to horrendous mis-management of the footballing operation once Fergie & Gill stepped away. We have the resources to easily fulfil the modest expectations I laid out. We simply don't have the right people overseeing any of it, however.
posted on 2/11/23
I'm certain Robbing is wumming here. I bet he didn't realign his expectations based on Liverpool going 30 years without winning the league.
posted on 2/11/23
Not once have Utd played 'attractive, entertaining football whilst being competitive at the top end of the league and in the CL.' bar under Fergie since 1971.
posted on 2/11/23
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 18 seconds ago
I'm certain Robbing is wumming here. I bet he didn't realign his expectations based on Liverpool going 30 years without winning the league.
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Of course I did.
posted on 2/11/23
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 18 seconds ago
I'm certain Robbing is wumming here. I bet he didn't realign his expectations based on Liverpool going 30 years without winning the league.
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Of course I did.
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You'd have expected more than top 10 wouldn't you? C'mon!
posted on 2/11/23
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 3 minutes ago
I'm certain Robbing is wumming here. I bet he didn't realign his expectations based on Liverpool going 30 years without winning the league.
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Nah I’ve seen him come out with this boooollocks before. It’s a Liverpool fan talking, so what do you expect?
posted on 2/11/23
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 18 seconds ago
I'm certain Robbing is wumming here. I bet he didn't realign his expectations based on Liverpool going 30 years without winning the league.
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Of course I did.
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You'd have expected more than top 10 wouldn't you? C'mon!
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Well yeah but we're a club that has won European Cups and leagues under various different managers, not just lucking out on two managers in our history.
posted on 2/11/23
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 18 seconds ago
I'm certain Robbing is wumming here. I bet he didn't realign his expectations based on Liverpool going 30 years without winning the league.
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Of course I did.
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You'd have expected more than top 10 wouldn't you? C'mon!
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Well yeah but we're a club that has won European Cups and leagues under various different managers, not just lucking out on two managers in our history.
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posted on 2/11/23
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
Not once have Utd played 'attractive, entertaining football whilst being competitive at the top end of the league and in the CL.' bar under Fergie since 1971.
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1. You're not a United fan. So your ability to assess the merits of United's football on a regular basis will be limited.
2. How old are you?
3. All of those things combined are the top end of the expectation spectrum. We're obviously not going to compete every year for every trophy going and play immaculate football in the process. Fergie didn't do that either. No one here is deluded. But the goal should always to be play good football and be competitive for the top four, which is exactly what our wage & transfer capacity should consistently achieve when in the right footballing hands.
You know this, but you're on the wum, so no need to waste further time.
posted on 2/11/23
You're not a United fan. So your ability to assess the merits of United's football on a regular basis will be limited.
======
This is true, which is why Im able to provide an accurate appraisal rather than being emotionally incontinent.
Look Berba, you're the one that said 'attractive, entertaining football whilst being competitive at the top end of the league and in the CL.' is a reasonable expectation with or without Ferguson.
Fact is, we've literally never seen that since it since the 60's.
posted on 2/11/23
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 47 seconds ago
You're not a United fan. So your ability to assess the merits of United's football on a regular basis will be limited.
======
This is true, which is why Im able to provide an accurate appraisal rather than being emotionally incontinent.
Look Berba, you're the one that said 'attractive, entertaining football whilst being competitive at the top end of the league and in the CL.' is a reasonable expectation with or without Ferguson.
Fact is, we've literally never seen that since it since the 60's.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To be fair Atkinson provided that in the 80s. Granted there was no CL qualification for anyone other than the champions but we were up there and playing some decent stuff.
posted on 2/11/23
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 47 seconds ago
You're not a United fan. So your ability to assess the merits of United's football on a regular basis will be limited.
======
This is true, which is why Im able to provide an accurate appraisal rather than being emotionally incontinent.
Look Berba, you're the one that said 'attractive, entertaining football whilst being competitive at the top end of the league and in the CL.' is a reasonable expectation with or without Ferguson.
Fact is, we've literally never seen that since it since the 60's.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To be fair Atkinson provided that in the 80s. Granted there was no CL qualification for anyone other than the champions but we were up there and playing some decent stuff.
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Fair and that's the Utd I know bar Fergie really. Lots of fans, play the right way, not very competitive.
posted on 2/11/23
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
Our expectations are to play attractive, entertaining football whilst being competitive at the top end of the league and in the CL. Those aren't unrealistic aims for United, Fergie or no Fergie.
======
If it's realistic why has only one manager, arguably the greatest of all time, managed it in 50+ years?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well that's not true is it? We've won trophies outside of Busby & Ferguson's tenures, and finished in respectfully competitive league positions before and since Fergie.
At times, even in the last 10 years, we've played decent football, too (albeit nothing to write home about).
The primary reason we're currently in a mess is due to horrendous mis-management of the footballing operation once Fergie & Gill stepped away. We have the resources to easily fulfil the modest expectations I laid out. We simply don't have the right people overseeing any of it, however.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Footballing operation, blah blah blah.
Same old umbrella terminology thrown around, with zero detail or subsstance.
May as well just say we neeed to do eveyfink betterer
posted on 2/11/23
I owe you an apology, you came 2nd with Sexton in 80. No idea what the football was like though.
posted on 2/11/23
History means fack all when City and Chelsea have been two of the most successful teams in England the last 20 years. It’s almost as if having lots of money and owners that know what to do with it is the most important thing in football.
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