Robbing is on the WUM clearly but there is a point in there. The right appointments at the right times with the right investments can pay dividends.
Weren't Liverpool rich with John Moores etc in the 80s. Similarly weren't Everton known at that time, a successful period for them, as the 'Mersey Millionaires'.
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
History means fack all when City and Chelsea have been two of the most successful teams in England the last 20 years. It’s almost as if having lots of money and owners that know what to do with it is the most important thing in football.
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Chelsea have sacked loads of managers and not really had anyone 'stand out' within their 'football operation' that you would want.
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 5 minutes ago
History means fack all when City and Chelsea have been two of the most successful teams in England the last 20 years. It’s almost as if having lots of money and owners that know what to do with it is the most important thing in football.
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And I'm notnsure we should be praising Citys own.ers and leadership team considering the FFP charges they have faced.
So are you saying that Chelsea and City’s owners aren’t responsible for their success?
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
Murtough seems to be blamedmfor an awful lot, but I'm notnsure why.
What has he done badly?
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What has he done right?
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
You're not a United fan. So your ability to assess the merits of United's football on a regular basis will be limited.
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This is true, which is why Im able to provide an accurate appraisal rather than being emotionally incontinent.
Look Berba, you're the one that said 'attractive, entertaining football whilst being competitive at the top end of the league and in the CL.' is a reasonable expectation with or without Ferguson.
Fact is, we've literally never seen that since it since the 60's.
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You know, you might want to try Googling a bit. Like I said, we won trophies in between Busby & Fergie, and since Fergie, which fulfils the "competitive" element of what I said.
We also have had several top four finishes both before Fergie and since (the importance of the top four has obviously changed, but being in the top 3 or 4 teams would comfortably meet the "top end of the league" requirement).
"Fact is, we've literally never seen that since it since the 60's."
This is not a fact, unless you'd like to explain the 3 FA Cups, 6 league finishes between 2nd & 4th & regular appearances in European cup competition (the parameters of qualifying were obviously a lot more stringent to play in Europe then compared with now).
And since Fergie retired, we've seen top four finishes, various cup finals and have only won a couple less trophies then Liverpool have in the same timeframe... And we've generally been somewhere between decent and outright awful in that time.
How do we fix this?
We need football capable of making proper football decisions.
Whoever thought signing Maguire and Antony for 80 million, Casemiro for 70 mill and Mason Mount for 50-60 mill were good ideas?
If those calls were made by Ole and ETH there should have someone to tell them they were mad.
Similar to giving Bruno a huge pay rise when he had 4 years left on his existing deal or bringing back Ronaldo.
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
Our expectations are to play attractive, entertaining football whilst being competitive at the top end of the league and in the CL. Those aren't unrealistic aims for United, Fergie or no Fergie.
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If it's realistic why has only one manager, arguably the greatest of all time, managed it in 50+ years?
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Well that's not true is it? We've won trophies outside of Busby & Ferguson's tenures, and finished in respectfully competitive league positions before and since Fergie.
At times, even in the last 10 years, we've played decent football, too (albeit nothing to write home about).
The primary reason we're currently in a mess is due to horrendous mis-management of the footballing operation once Fergie & Gill stepped away. We have the resources to easily fulfil the modest expectations I laid out. We simply don't have the right people overseeing any of it, however.
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Footballing operation, blah blah blah.
Same old umbrella terminology thrown around, with zero detail or subsstance.
May as well just say we neeed to do eveyfink betterer
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It's been detailed many times over the years. It's just nobody here wants to indulge your single digit IQ faux-contrarian routine by going over old ground with you.
And since Fergie retired, we've seen top four finishes, various cup finals and have only won a couple less trophies then Liverpool have in the same timeframe... And we've generally been somewhere between decent and outright awful in that time.
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Yeah? What the closest points wise you've come to winning the league? Regardless of that, I certainly missed the attractive determining football.
Was that under Jose was it? Give your head a wobble lad.
Determining? *Entertaining.
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 36 minutes ago
I'm certain Robbing is wumming here. I bet he didn't realign his expectations based on Liverpool going 30 years without winning the league.
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Course he’s wumming. He’s made the same comment on multiple threads trying to get a bit, give your head a wobble.
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 20 seconds ago
And since Fergie retired, we've seen top four finishes, various cup finals and have only won a couple less trophies then Liverpool have in the same timeframe... And we've generally been somewhere between decent and outright awful in that time.
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Yeah? What the closest points wise you've come to winning the league? Regardless of that, I certainly missed the attractive determining football.
Was that under Jose was it? Give your head a wobble lad.
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Who said we've been meeting *all* the expectations? Literally no one. What are you even arguing at this point?
We've met some of them, inconsistently, despite blowing a fortune on naff players, handing out ridiculous contracts and being run by a clown fiesta.
I'm not actually defending United in the last 10 years - we've been an incoherent shambles due to incompetent ownership. They are the reason we're not meeting any of the basic expectations that the club should be aiming to fulfil given its resources.
Ahhhh okay. If you listen closely you can actually hear the goal posts move.
You know when YOU wrote
'Our expectations are to play attractive, entertaining football whilst being competitive at the top end of the league and in the CL.'
I assumed that 'whilst' meant at the same time.
Its pretty clear you're one of those that will say absolutely anything, so I'll leave you to it.
Have a nice day.
comment by Ace (U14461)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 36 minutes ago
I'm certain Robbing is wumming here. I bet he didn't realign his expectations based on Liverpool going 30 years without winning the league.
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Course he’s wumming. He’s made the same comment on multiple threads trying to get a bit, give your head a wobble.
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I know he is!
I know this will sound like a glib response but have a footballing strategy and align recruit to that strategy.
Pick how you want to play football. Post-Fergie it's Moyes to Van Gaal to Mourinho to Ole to Ragnick to ETH. Literally from one of the most experienced guys around (LvG) to a novice (Ole); from counter attacking, to the most pragmatic (some would say out-dated) football to possession. Where is the cohesive thought?
Figure out what you want. Recruit a manager that plays that way and buys into the strategy. If he doesn't work out, don't rip up the strategy - find another who buys in. Get the entire club playing the same way.
Recruit to that agreed style of football and find someone who recruits well. Some of your signings are just comically bad. Decide what you want to bring in, young players with potential, players in their prime or experienced players. Feels like recruitment is scatter-gun.
The manager needs to be supported by the heirarchy. Fergie had Gill. Wenger had Dein. Klopp had Edwards. Pep is 100% supported. Any Utd manager needs a knowledgeable and trusted board ally.
So, in short. Owners that give a feck.
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 10 minutes ago
I know this will sound like a glib response but have a footballing strategy and align recruit to that strategy.
Pick how you want to play football. Post-Fergie it's Moyes to Van Gaal to Mourinho to Ole to Ragnick to ETH. Literally from one of the most experienced guys around (LvG) to a novice (Ole); from counter attacking, to the most pragmatic (some would say out-dated) football to possession. Where is the cohesive thought?
Figure out what you want. Recruit a manager that plays that way and buys into the strategy. If he doesn't work out, don't rip up the strategy - find another who buys in. Get the entire club playing the same way.
Recruit to that agreed style of football and find someone who recruits well. Some of your signings are just comically bad. Decide what you want to bring in, young players with potential, players in their prime or experienced players. Feels like recruitment is scatter-gun.
The manager needs to be supported by the heirarchy. Fergie had Gill. Wenger had Dein. Klopp had Edwards. Pep is 100% supported. Any Utd manager needs a knowledgeable and trusted board ally.
So, in short. Owners that give a feck.
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Very good post
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 12 minutes ago
I know this will sound like a glib response but have a footballing strategy and align recruit to that strategy.
Pick how you want to play football. Post-Fergie it's Moyes to Van Gaal to Mourinho to Ole to Ragnick to ETH. Literally from one of the most experienced guys around (LvG) to a novice (Ole); from counter attacking, to the most pragmatic (some would say out-dated) football to possession. Where is the cohesive thought?
Figure out what you want. Recruit a manager that plays that way and buys into the strategy. If he doesn't work out, don't rip up the strategy - find another who buys in. Get the entire club playing the same way.
Recruit to that agreed style of football and find someone who recruits well. Some of your signings are just comically bad. Decide what you want to bring in, young players with potential, players in their prime or experienced players. Feels like recruitment is scatter-gun.
The manager needs to be supported by the heirarchy. Fergie had Gill. Wenger had Dein. Klopp had Edwards. Pep is 100% supported. Any Utd manager needs a knowledgeable and trusted board ally.
So, in short. Owners that give a feck.
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Spot on. The last five words just sum it all up.
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 2 hours, 29 minutes ago
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Robb - Under Neon Loneliness (U22716)
posted 11 minutes ago
1) appoint better manager
2) appoint Paul Mitchell
3) release unwanted players by buying out their contracts in the most extreme of cases
4) Pray we don’t make any form of Europe next season
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A better manager? When the bald fraud was appointed most of the United supporter thought you would have appointed the best manager in the world.
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Shut up idiot
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Rich coming from you
comment by Robb - Under Neon Loneliness (U22716)
posted 3 hours, 53 minutes ago
1) appoint better manager
2) appoint Paul Mitchell
3) release unwanted players by buying out their contracts in the most extreme of cases
4) Pray we don’t make any form of Europe next season
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1) who is better that is out there and available? No chance we're getting any of the current high flying managers in the Prem during the season. They aren't going to leave the likes of Villa, Brighton etc.. when they have a good chance of competing for the top 4 places. Also we won't be able to afford the payout for ETH and then the money it would take to buy them out of their contracts.
2) I've seen his name lot, what's his success rate like at past clubs? I'd definitely be open to having a DOF or a recruitment team that is geared towards a way of playing.
3) Pipe dream unfortunately, you only have to look at the summer to see this. Only way that could have happened imo is if the Sheikh had taken over.
4) We'll no doubt clinch the Conference place
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 10 minutes ago
I know this will sound like a glib response but have a footballing strategy and align recruit to that strategy.
Pick how you want to play football. Post-Fergie it's Moyes to Van Gaal to Mourinho to Ole to Ragnick to ETH. Literally from one of the most experienced guys around (LvG) to a novice (Ole); from counter attacking, to the most pragmatic (some would say out-dated) football to possession. Where is the cohesive thought?
Figure out what you want. Recruit a manager that plays that way and buys into the strategy. If he doesn't work out, don't rip up the strategy - find another who buys in. Get the entire club playing the same way.
Recruit to that agreed style of football and find someone who recruits well. Some of your signings are just comically bad. Decide what you want to bring in, young players with potential, players in their prime or experienced players. Feels like recruitment is scatter-gun.
The manager needs to be supported by the heirarchy. Fergie had Gill. Wenger had Dein. Klopp had Edwards. Pep is 100% supported. Any Utd manager needs a knowledgeable and trusted board ally.
So, in short. Owners that give a feck.
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Very good post
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It was a good post but sadly the last sentence isn’t the case meaning all the points made are null & void
its tough for utd as they seemingly cant get rid of players (maybe due to wages offered).
Like why would sancho leave when he's on what he's reportedly on?
The new chelsea ownership has been a sh!tshow but their wages offerings are still quite low compared to utd (sterling aside).
It's why chelsea can get rid of deadweight, koulibaly, werner, havertz, ziyech, quite easily.
Just seen that Martial has been at Utd for EIGHT facking years, only played 200 games in that time. Stealing a facking living. That right there is part of the problem, failed signings on big money they can’t get rid of.
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 11 minutes ago
its tough for utd as they seemingly cant get rid of players (maybe due to wages offered).
Like why would sancho leave when he's on what he's reportedly on?
The new chelsea ownership has been a sh!tshow but their wages offerings are still quite low compared to utd (sterling aside).
It's why chelsea can get rid of deadweight, koulibaly, werner, havertz, ziyech, quite easily.
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Surely the newer signings will be more difficult to shift though as the contracts run alot longer?
But you're right, nobody is going to pay the wages we are paying some of these players, combine that with how we've overpaid for most as well.
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 17 minutes ago
its tough for utd as they seemingly cant get rid of players (maybe due to wages offered).
Like why would sancho leave when he's on what he's reportedly on?
The new chelsea ownership has been a sh!tshow but their wages offerings are still quite low compared to utd (sterling aside).
It's why chelsea can get rid of deadweight, koulibaly, werner, havertz, ziyech, quite easily.
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Who is in charge of your transfer exit negotiations deserves a fking pay rise bro
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posted on 2/11/23
Robbing is on the WUM clearly but there is a point in there. The right appointments at the right times with the right investments can pay dividends.
Weren't Liverpool rich with John Moores etc in the 80s. Similarly weren't Everton known at that time, a successful period for them, as the 'Mersey Millionaires'.
posted on 2/11/23
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
History means fack all when City and Chelsea have been two of the most successful teams in England the last 20 years. It’s almost as if having lots of money and owners that know what to do with it is the most important thing in football.
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Chelsea have sacked loads of managers and not really had anyone 'stand out' within their 'football operation' that you would want.
posted on 2/11/23
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 5 minutes ago
History means fack all when City and Chelsea have been two of the most successful teams in England the last 20 years. It’s almost as if having lots of money and owners that know what to do with it is the most important thing in football.
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And I'm notnsure we should be praising Citys own.ers and leadership team considering the FFP charges they have faced.
posted on 2/11/23
So are you saying that Chelsea and City’s owners aren’t responsible for their success?
posted on 2/11/23
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
Murtough seems to be blamedmfor an awful lot, but I'm notnsure why.
What has he done badly?
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What has he done right?
posted on 2/11/23
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
You're not a United fan. So your ability to assess the merits of United's football on a regular basis will be limited.
======
This is true, which is why Im able to provide an accurate appraisal rather than being emotionally incontinent.
Look Berba, you're the one that said 'attractive, entertaining football whilst being competitive at the top end of the league and in the CL.' is a reasonable expectation with or without Ferguson.
Fact is, we've literally never seen that since it since the 60's.
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You know, you might want to try Googling a bit. Like I said, we won trophies in between Busby & Fergie, and since Fergie, which fulfils the "competitive" element of what I said.
We also have had several top four finishes both before Fergie and since (the importance of the top four has obviously changed, but being in the top 3 or 4 teams would comfortably meet the "top end of the league" requirement).
"Fact is, we've literally never seen that since it since the 60's."
This is not a fact, unless you'd like to explain the 3 FA Cups, 6 league finishes between 2nd & 4th & regular appearances in European cup competition (the parameters of qualifying were obviously a lot more stringent to play in Europe then compared with now).
And since Fergie retired, we've seen top four finishes, various cup finals and have only won a couple less trophies then Liverpool have in the same timeframe... And we've generally been somewhere between decent and outright awful in that time.
posted on 2/11/23
How do we fix this?
We need football capable of making proper football decisions.
Whoever thought signing Maguire and Antony for 80 million, Casemiro for 70 mill and Mason Mount for 50-60 mill were good ideas?
If those calls were made by Ole and ETH there should have someone to tell them they were mad.
Similar to giving Bruno a huge pay rise when he had 4 years left on his existing deal or bringing back Ronaldo.
posted on 2/11/23
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
Our expectations are to play attractive, entertaining football whilst being competitive at the top end of the league and in the CL. Those aren't unrealistic aims for United, Fergie or no Fergie.
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If it's realistic why has only one manager, arguably the greatest of all time, managed it in 50+ years?
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Well that's not true is it? We've won trophies outside of Busby & Ferguson's tenures, and finished in respectfully competitive league positions before and since Fergie.
At times, even in the last 10 years, we've played decent football, too (albeit nothing to write home about).
The primary reason we're currently in a mess is due to horrendous mis-management of the footballing operation once Fergie & Gill stepped away. We have the resources to easily fulfil the modest expectations I laid out. We simply don't have the right people overseeing any of it, however.
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Footballing operation, blah blah blah.
Same old umbrella terminology thrown around, with zero detail or subsstance.
May as well just say we neeed to do eveyfink betterer
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It's been detailed many times over the years. It's just nobody here wants to indulge your single digit IQ faux-contrarian routine by going over old ground with you.
posted on 2/11/23
And since Fergie retired, we've seen top four finishes, various cup finals and have only won a couple less trophies then Liverpool have in the same timeframe... And we've generally been somewhere between decent and outright awful in that time.
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Yeah? What the closest points wise you've come to winning the league? Regardless of that, I certainly missed the attractive determining football.
Was that under Jose was it? Give your head a wobble lad.
posted on 2/11/23
Determining? *Entertaining.
posted on 2/11/23
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 36 minutes ago
I'm certain Robbing is wumming here. I bet he didn't realign his expectations based on Liverpool going 30 years without winning the league.
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Course he’s wumming. He’s made the same comment on multiple threads trying to get a bit, give your head a wobble.
posted on 2/11/23
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 20 seconds ago
And since Fergie retired, we've seen top four finishes, various cup finals and have only won a couple less trophies then Liverpool have in the same timeframe... And we've generally been somewhere between decent and outright awful in that time.
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Yeah? What the closest points wise you've come to winning the league? Regardless of that, I certainly missed the attractive determining football.
Was that under Jose was it? Give your head a wobble lad.
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Who said we've been meeting *all* the expectations? Literally no one. What are you even arguing at this point?
We've met some of them, inconsistently, despite blowing a fortune on naff players, handing out ridiculous contracts and being run by a clown fiesta.
I'm not actually defending United in the last 10 years - we've been an incoherent shambles due to incompetent ownership. They are the reason we're not meeting any of the basic expectations that the club should be aiming to fulfil given its resources.
posted on 2/11/23
Ahhhh okay. If you listen closely you can actually hear the goal posts move.
posted on 2/11/23
You know when YOU wrote
'Our expectations are to play attractive, entertaining football whilst being competitive at the top end of the league and in the CL.'
I assumed that 'whilst' meant at the same time.
Its pretty clear you're one of those that will say absolutely anything, so I'll leave you to it.
Have a nice day.
posted on 2/11/23
comment by Ace (U14461)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 36 minutes ago
I'm certain Robbing is wumming here. I bet he didn't realign his expectations based on Liverpool going 30 years without winning the league.
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Course he’s wumming. He’s made the same comment on multiple threads trying to get a bit, give your head a wobble.
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I know he is!
posted on 2/11/23
I know this will sound like a glib response but have a footballing strategy and align recruit to that strategy.
Pick how you want to play football. Post-Fergie it's Moyes to Van Gaal to Mourinho to Ole to Ragnick to ETH. Literally from one of the most experienced guys around (LvG) to a novice (Ole); from counter attacking, to the most pragmatic (some would say out-dated) football to possession. Where is the cohesive thought?
Figure out what you want. Recruit a manager that plays that way and buys into the strategy. If he doesn't work out, don't rip up the strategy - find another who buys in. Get the entire club playing the same way.
Recruit to that agreed style of football and find someone who recruits well. Some of your signings are just comically bad. Decide what you want to bring in, young players with potential, players in their prime or experienced players. Feels like recruitment is scatter-gun.
The manager needs to be supported by the heirarchy. Fergie had Gill. Wenger had Dein. Klopp had Edwards. Pep is 100% supported. Any Utd manager needs a knowledgeable and trusted board ally.
So, in short. Owners that give a feck.
posted on 2/11/23
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 10 minutes ago
I know this will sound like a glib response but have a footballing strategy and align recruit to that strategy.
Pick how you want to play football. Post-Fergie it's Moyes to Van Gaal to Mourinho to Ole to Ragnick to ETH. Literally from one of the most experienced guys around (LvG) to a novice (Ole); from counter attacking, to the most pragmatic (some would say out-dated) football to possession. Where is the cohesive thought?
Figure out what you want. Recruit a manager that plays that way and buys into the strategy. If he doesn't work out, don't rip up the strategy - find another who buys in. Get the entire club playing the same way.
Recruit to that agreed style of football and find someone who recruits well. Some of your signings are just comically bad. Decide what you want to bring in, young players with potential, players in their prime or experienced players. Feels like recruitment is scatter-gun.
The manager needs to be supported by the heirarchy. Fergie had Gill. Wenger had Dein. Klopp had Edwards. Pep is 100% supported. Any Utd manager needs a knowledgeable and trusted board ally.
So, in short. Owners that give a feck.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Very good post
posted on 2/11/23
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 12 minutes ago
I know this will sound like a glib response but have a footballing strategy and align recruit to that strategy.
Pick how you want to play football. Post-Fergie it's Moyes to Van Gaal to Mourinho to Ole to Ragnick to ETH. Literally from one of the most experienced guys around (LvG) to a novice (Ole); from counter attacking, to the most pragmatic (some would say out-dated) football to possession. Where is the cohesive thought?
Figure out what you want. Recruit a manager that plays that way and buys into the strategy. If he doesn't work out, don't rip up the strategy - find another who buys in. Get the entire club playing the same way.
Recruit to that agreed style of football and find someone who recruits well. Some of your signings are just comically bad. Decide what you want to bring in, young players with potential, players in their prime or experienced players. Feels like recruitment is scatter-gun.
The manager needs to be supported by the heirarchy. Fergie had Gill. Wenger had Dein. Klopp had Edwards. Pep is 100% supported. Any Utd manager needs a knowledgeable and trusted board ally.
So, in short. Owners that give a feck.
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Spot on. The last five words just sum it all up.
posted on 2/11/23
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 2 hours, 29 minutes ago
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Robb - Under Neon Loneliness (U22716)
posted 11 minutes ago
1) appoint better manager
2) appoint Paul Mitchell
3) release unwanted players by buying out their contracts in the most extreme of cases
4) Pray we don’t make any form of Europe next season
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A better manager? When the bald fraud was appointed most of the United supporter thought you would have appointed the best manager in the world.
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Shut up idiot
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Rich coming from you
posted on 2/11/23
comment by Robb - Under Neon Loneliness (U22716)
posted 3 hours, 53 minutes ago
1) appoint better manager
2) appoint Paul Mitchell
3) release unwanted players by buying out their contracts in the most extreme of cases
4) Pray we don’t make any form of Europe next season
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1) who is better that is out there and available? No chance we're getting any of the current high flying managers in the Prem during the season. They aren't going to leave the likes of Villa, Brighton etc.. when they have a good chance of competing for the top 4 places. Also we won't be able to afford the payout for ETH and then the money it would take to buy them out of their contracts.
2) I've seen his name lot, what's his success rate like at past clubs? I'd definitely be open to having a DOF or a recruitment team that is geared towards a way of playing.
3) Pipe dream unfortunately, you only have to look at the summer to see this. Only way that could have happened imo is if the Sheikh had taken over.
4) We'll no doubt clinch the Conference place
posted on 2/11/23
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 10 minutes ago
I know this will sound like a glib response but have a footballing strategy and align recruit to that strategy.
Pick how you want to play football. Post-Fergie it's Moyes to Van Gaal to Mourinho to Ole to Ragnick to ETH. Literally from one of the most experienced guys around (LvG) to a novice (Ole); from counter attacking, to the most pragmatic (some would say out-dated) football to possession. Where is the cohesive thought?
Figure out what you want. Recruit a manager that plays that way and buys into the strategy. If he doesn't work out, don't rip up the strategy - find another who buys in. Get the entire club playing the same way.
Recruit to that agreed style of football and find someone who recruits well. Some of your signings are just comically bad. Decide what you want to bring in, young players with potential, players in their prime or experienced players. Feels like recruitment is scatter-gun.
The manager needs to be supported by the heirarchy. Fergie had Gill. Wenger had Dein. Klopp had Edwards. Pep is 100% supported. Any Utd manager needs a knowledgeable and trusted board ally.
So, in short. Owners that give a feck.
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Very good post
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It was a good post but sadly the last sentence isn’t the case meaning all the points made are null & void
posted on 2/11/23
its tough for utd as they seemingly cant get rid of players (maybe due to wages offered).
Like why would sancho leave when he's on what he's reportedly on?
The new chelsea ownership has been a sh!tshow but their wages offerings are still quite low compared to utd (sterling aside).
It's why chelsea can get rid of deadweight, koulibaly, werner, havertz, ziyech, quite easily.
posted on 2/11/23
Just seen that Martial has been at Utd for EIGHT facking years, only played 200 games in that time. Stealing a facking living. That right there is part of the problem, failed signings on big money they can’t get rid of.
posted on 2/11/23
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 11 minutes ago
its tough for utd as they seemingly cant get rid of players (maybe due to wages offered).
Like why would sancho leave when he's on what he's reportedly on?
The new chelsea ownership has been a sh!tshow but their wages offerings are still quite low compared to utd (sterling aside).
It's why chelsea can get rid of deadweight, koulibaly, werner, havertz, ziyech, quite easily.
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Surely the newer signings will be more difficult to shift though as the contracts run alot longer?
But you're right, nobody is going to pay the wages we are paying some of these players, combine that with how we've overpaid for most as well.
posted on 2/11/23
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 17 minutes ago
its tough for utd as they seemingly cant get rid of players (maybe due to wages offered).
Like why would sancho leave when he's on what he's reportedly on?
The new chelsea ownership has been a sh!tshow but their wages offerings are still quite low compared to utd (sterling aside).
It's why chelsea can get rid of deadweight, koulibaly, werner, havertz, ziyech, quite easily.
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Who is in charge of your transfer exit negotiations deserves a fking pay rise bro
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