Wasn’t the marketing line unite and inspire?

comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 (U2462)
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comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 26 minutes ago
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/iceland-hot-cross-buns-tick-b2516458.html

Now this makes me proud to be English.
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Imagine being proud of selling bakery goods laden with parasites!
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You get Tories with them?

Never mind the flag, but the price. Robbers.

Clever marketing from Nike. Get everyone talking about the facking flag rather than their rip off prices.

Personally, instead of say letting the Tommy Robinson types take ownership of things like the England flag, I think that others should own it themselves.

I think it is both for halting progressive change and whip up support.

I think the main issue that some of us have with the desire from the left to have a more honest, rounded view is that we seldom hear any of the positives from the left and it just comes across and country-bashing.

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I wonder what you mean by The Left in your post, SatNav. Plenty of people on the left have talked about reclaiming the flag, and I think the vast majority are very comfortable with the kind of patriotism articulated by e.g. Gareth Southgate in that widely circulated essay written before the Euros. The Labour party - i.e. the mainstream vehicle of centre-left British politics - loves to embrace patriotism and the flag, tends to include things like the foundation of the NHS and "tolerance as a British value" in its positive narrative of the country. It treats those more vehemently critical fringe voices, such as Diane Abbott, like the embarrassing racist uncle, and indeed she is currently suspended from the party.

Meanwhile, the fulminating, acknowledging-slavery-means-you-hate-Britain kind of nationalism isn't a Tommy Robinson fringe view. It's mainstream conservatism, entirely characteristic of our leading right-wing media and our last three (at least) Prime Ministers. We have senior Tories making racist slurs.

Of course there are idiots and extremists on both wings. But I think we need to acknowledge that at present the ones on the Right are mainstream and adjacent to power, while those on the Left are marginalised - and they'll hate Keir Starmer's imminent government at least as much as the Tories will.

BBC News - Row erupts over German football team switching supplier from Adidas to Nike
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68634777

And we think we've got problems – spare a thought for Germany

comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 (U2462)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 26 minutes ago
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/iceland-hot-cross-buns-tick-b2516458.html

Now this makes me proud to be English.
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Imagine being proud of selling bakery goods laden with parasites!
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You get Tories with them?
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I think hot nought buns would have been a better idea

comment by Jalisco Red - And It Was All Diallo (U4195)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 (U2462)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 26 minutes ago
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/iceland-hot-cross-buns-tick-b2516458.html

Now this makes me proud to be English.
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Imagine being proud of selling bakery goods laden with parasites!
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You get Tories with them?
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I think hot nought buns would have been a better idea
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Nah I like what they’ve done with these hot cross wums.

Middleton has just announced she’s got cancer, this’ll probably take over as the big news now for the week and put this one in the bin hopefully

comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Jalisco Red - And It Was All Diallo (U4195)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 (U2462)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 26 minutes ago
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/iceland-hot-cross-buns-tick-b2516458.html

Now this makes me proud to be English.
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Imagine being proud of selling bakery goods laden with parasites!
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You get Tories with them?
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I think hot nought buns would have been a better idea
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Nah I like what they’ve done with these hot cross wums.
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Looking at them I just imagine them to taste like Sure deodorant

comment by Sydney Sweeney (U11781)
posted 2 minutes ago
Middleton has just announced she’s got cancer, this’ll probably take over as the big news now for the week and put this one in the bin hopefully
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F*** cancer, but I still think the royal PR team have handled it terribly.

comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 (U2462)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 26 minutes ago
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/iceland-hot-cross-buns-tick-b2516458.html

Now this makes me proud to be English.
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Imagine being proud of selling bakery goods laden with parasites!
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You get Tories with them?
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Heartburn.

comment by jesus6662 (U8600)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 6 minutes ago
The issue for me also is the conflation of people who genuinely query why such changes are made with feather-spitting hardcore people.

Furthermore, whilst it may be a design harming back to some training kit from the 1960s, if you believe that, but I think the FA also stated that it’s for unity & inclusivity. If that’s the case then they’re doing for a political point much as with BLM / LGBTQ. A lot of people think that sport shouldn’t get involved with politics. Similar debates were had with Ukraine colours vs Israeli colours after 7 October
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I'm all for making sports (or anything for that matter) inclusive, and I think we still have a long way to go in that respect for all people to feel welcome with who they are at football. Rainbow armbands for example are 100% correct. I just question whether changing a flag is cool, regardless of how inconspicuous it is... it's quite radical even if there are a handful of instances where its happened before. I guess that's why it's got so many people talking! I still think it's wrong.
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I agree. Do an armband, don’t change a flag.

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 17 minutes ago
Personally, instead of say letting the Tommy Robinson types take ownership of things like the England flag, I think that others should own it themselves.

I think it is both for halting progressive change and whip up support.

I think the main issue that some of us have with the desire from the left to have a more honest, rounded view is that we seldom hear any of the positives from the left and it just comes across and country-bashing.

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I wonder what you mean by The Left in your post, SatNav. Plenty of people on the left have talked about reclaiming the flag, and I think the vast majority are very comfortable with the kind of patriotism articulated by e.g. Gareth Southgate in that widely circulated essay written before the Euros. The Labour party - i.e. the mainstream vehicle of centre-left British politics - loves to embrace patriotism and the flag, tends to include things like the foundation of the NHS and "tolerance as a British value" in its positive narrative of the country. It treats those more vehemently critical fringe voices, such as Diane Abbott, like the embarrassing racist uncle, and indeed she is currently suspended from the party.

Meanwhile, the fulminating, acknowledging-slavery-means-you-hate-Britain kind of nationalism isn't a Tommy Robinson fringe view. It's mainstream conservatism, entirely characteristic of our leading right-wing media and our last three (at least) Prime Ministers. We have senior Tories making racist slurs.

Of course there are idiots and extremists on both wings. But I think we need to acknowledge that at present the ones on the Right are mainstream and adjacent to power, while those on the Left are marginalised - and they'll hate Keir Starmer's imminent government at least as much as the Tories will.
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It’s a crude, vague term but this is always the case when grouping people.

Agree with your Diane example and again similar happens to the right. Moderation and middle-ground non-sensationalist reporting doesn’t generate revenue; hence the polarisation enforced upon us all. We all actually have far more in common that one would think.

I don’t think the left is as marginalised as you do. Politically in this country, sure. A Corbyn type won’t get in. But media, social media, education etc are all areas where the left is dominant (maybe not media).

I also agree that the left hate Starmer, as they should. He’s a boring Blair who also was as much Labour as I am….

The important thing is that it's enraged Farage, Leanderthal and Julia Heartless-Sewer, which is surely more of a unifier than any flag could ever be

Fulminate - I do love you RR XX

It’s nothing to do with LGBT. You’d think these traditionalists would associate the colour purple with royalty, not gay people, but here we are.

comment by Jalisco Red - And It Was All Diallo (U4195)
posted 1 minute ago
The important thing is that it's enraged Farage, Leanderthal and Julia Heartless-Sewer, which is surely more of a unifier than any flag could ever be
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Excellent point.

comment by Jalisco Red - And It Was All Diallo (U4195)
posted 15 seconds ago
The important thing is that it's enraged Farage, Leanderthal and Julia Heartless-Sewer, which is surely more of a unifier than any flag could ever be
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Fair point no opinion on the flag thing but this cheers me up

comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 10 seconds ago
It’s nothing to do with LGBT. You’d think these traditionalists would associate the colour purple with royalty, not gay people, but here we are.
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Or Ukip:

https://images.app.goo.gl/SfLyk8U6eEt2zoJNA

comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 6 minutes ago
It’s nothing to do with LGBT. You’d think these traditionalists would associate the colour purple with royalty, not gay people, but here we are.
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It may not be. But what do the FA mean by ‘inclusive’

comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Jalisco Red - And It Was All Diallo (U4195)
posted 1 minute ago
The important thing is that it's enraged Farage, Leanderthal and Julia Heartless-Sewer, which is surely more of a unifier than any flag could ever be
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Excellent point.
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Seconded

Someone should start spoof news channel called LGBTNews and get them to dress up as drag versions of Farage and Rees-Mogg.

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 6 minutes ago
It’s nothing to do with LGBT. You’d think these traditionalists would associate the colour purple with royalty, not gay people, but here we are.
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It may not be. But what do the FA mean by ‘inclusive’
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I’ve not seen that. It was unite and inspire, not seen the FA say differently.

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