comment by redconn > (U5676)

posted 21 seconds ago

I don't rate Lennon at all

He's just pace with 3/8ths of his eyebrows missing
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Yes he doesnt have the touch of class required for international football against the best teams.

Smalling is the future. I think we need to stop playing the older players that have failed us in the past and concentrate on those that can develop into class players. What did Smalling do wrong last night?

As for Richards - you can swap him with with Johnson or Walker. All pretty similar. But the line-up was more of an example of what I would like to see in the midfield rather than the whole team.
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I agree the likes of Smalling and Jones, both players I rate very highly are the future but emphasis placed on future, not for starting the European Championships up against the best and most experienced players in Europe. Have you read my article? Does it do anything to change your opinion, or do you still believe England should play a mixture of the U'21 and senior side at the European Championships?

http://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/92982

Hmmm it'd be a bit worrying relying on Welbeck to lead the line. You look at Holland's options with Huntelaar with 33 goals in 34 games and RVP with 29 goals in 35 games. Then you have Welbeck with his 4 England caps and his 9 goals in 27 games.

I think Lennon is better all round than Walcott and I think Sturridge is too inexperienced as showed last night, when he came on and missed an easy chance. Some how he got awarded Man of the Match, because of a shot and a few runs, which mostly resulted in running the ball out of play.

He is exciting though, which probably swayed in for most people, during a boring England performance.

TOOR it is a long read and I have to get on with some work now. I will give it a look this evening if I get the time. At the moment I strongly believe that we need to play a team that is made of mainly of youth so that it can grow in unison. However, I'll take a look at your thread later.

Did you take another look at the first Holland goal?

comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)

I think Lennon is better all round than Walcott and I think Sturridge is too inexperienced as showed last night, when he came on and missed an easy chance.
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It looked like he caught his studs in the turf is he tried to re-adjust.

Lennon is also exciting when in good form going at players. Johnson was a bit disappointing last night but he showed the best skill on the night, and is one of the best tecnical players England have.

comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 4 minutes ago
TOOR it is a long read and I have to get on with some work now. I will give it a look this evening if I get the time. At the moment I strongly believe that we need to play a team that is made of mainly of youth so that it can grow in unison. However, I'll take a look at your thread later.

Did you take another look at the first Holland goal?
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I can't look at it from work. However I do remember it clearly after seeing the slow motion reply which firstly showed Smalling backing off Robben and then running with Huntelaar, as Huntelaar intended(experience against inexperience) and leaving Robben with a free shot.

Out of interest what makes you think that Smalling shouldn't have stayed with Robben and stopped him having a free shot but went with Huntelaar who was running towards Cahill and Baines?

comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)

Out of interest what makes you think that Smalling shouldn't have stayed with Robben and stopped him having a free shot but went with Huntelaar who was running towards Cahill and Baines?
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Cahill had just told him to say with JKH. All Cahill had to do was take a step to the right and stop Robben from getting in his left foot. By the time that Smalling had realised that Cahill had let Robben past he tried to get across to Robben but it was too late. Had Cahill not told him to stick with JKH then I might agree with you. But you cant blame Smalling for Cahill failing to mark go with the player that he had just indicated he would go with. Why Cahill wasnt already showing him onto his right foot, where Baines could help out, baffles me more.

comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)

Out of interest what makes you think that Smalling shouldn't have stayed with Robben and stopped him having a free shot but went with Huntelaar who was running towards Cahill and Baines?
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Cahill had just told him to say with JKH. All Cahill had to do was take a step to the right and stop Robben from getting in his left foot.
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Cahill told him to stay with Huntelaar? I didn't see that. Not sure why Cahill would had to have stepped over when Cahill was in position, it was Smalling who ran out of position, showing his inexperience when the experienced Huntelaar dragged him wide so Robben could shoot.

Cahill told Smalling to mark Huntelaar then let Robben score without even trying to stop him, it was ridiculous

For me England's best defensive minded midfielder is Carrick and Wilshere is comfortably the best option to play alongside him, certainly streets ahead of Gerrard and Lampard.

I'd go for Cleverley as the third midfielder if England go 4-3-3.

comment by AlwaysUnited (U4063)
posted 7 minutes ago
Cahill told Smalling to mark Huntelaar then let Robben score without even trying to stop him, it was ridiculous
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But Robben was running towards Smalling, whilst Cahill was in his position on the left of centre back, so how can Cahill stop him? Huntelaar ran towards Cahill and Smalling followed him.

Actually reading the rest of your comment makes me certain that you aren't even a United fan. You're clearing trying to invite ridicule upon United fans and I'm not falling for it.

For me England's best defensive minded midfielder is Carrick and Wilshere is comfortably the best option to play alongside him, certainly streets ahead of Gerrard and Lampard.

I'd go for Cleverley as the third midfielder if England go 4-3-3.
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Wowza.

Does anybody know which board has the most fans not including the London, Manchester and Liverpool board?

I thought it was obvious who was at fault but I'd like to ask a neutral set of fans who they thought was at fault.

TooR Leeds maybe, if not try Celtic or Rangers board, they seem popular.

comment by bixentelizarazu (U10767)
posted 2 minutes ago
TooR Leeds maybe, if not try Celtic or Rangers board, they seem popular.
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Leeds will blame the United player. Rangers and Celtic will blame the whole team.

Feck it, I'll put it on both United and Chelsea's board and see what conclusion they come up with amongst themselves.

But Robben was running towards Smalling, whilst Cahill was in his position on the left of centre back, so how can Cahill stop him? Huntelaar ran towards Cahill and Smalling followed him.
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Initially Robben was running directly at Cahill with Smalling and Huntelaar to Cahill's right.

Huntelaar then makes a run towards Cahill's side which Cahill instructs Smalling to track.

At that point Cahill should then have moved to his right to stop Robben using that space.

He didn't and Smalling didn't have time to get back into position to stop Robben drifting to the right and scoring.

Cahill should never have instructed Smalling to come across and the goal was his fault but the question should be asked as to where the England midfield was when Robben was sprinting through the middle.

comment by AlwaysUnited (U4063)
posted 9 minutes ago
But Robben was running towards Smalling, whilst Cahill was in his position on the left of centre back, so how can Cahill stop him? Huntelaar ran towards Cahill and Smalling followed him.
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Initially Robben was running directly at Cahill with Smalling and Huntelaar to Cahill's right.

Huntelaar then makes a run towards Cahill's side which Cahill instructs Smalling to track.

At that point Cahill should then have moved to his right to stop Robben using that space.

He didn't and Smalling didn't have time to get back into position to stop Robben drifting to the right and scoring.

Cahill should never have instructed Smalling to come across and the goal was his fault but the question should be asked as to where the England midfield was when Robben was sprinting through the middle.
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it seems I need to watch it again.

it seems I need to watch it again.
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To be fair Smalling should have ignored Cahill and stayed on the right but England should have had a midfielder in a deeper position.

Van Bommel and De Jong were never caught like that.

neither should or will start this summer so arguing over small details about one goal isn't really worth it

comment by redconn > (U5676)
posted 3 minutes ago
neither should or will start this summer so arguing over small details about one goal isn't really worth it
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It's called debating, what this site is for. We could however go around spamming articles with useless two liners, which would really make this site worthwhile in terms of debate.

I'm debating the merits of debating certain topics in excruciating detail. It's debateable whether debating debating is debate or just way off topic.

I don't see any problem with trying to get to the bottom of why England conceded the goal.

I think it's interesting to see how other people analyse these things.

redconn > (U5676)

3 lines. Improvement!

I think a debating off topic debates is still debating but it's debatable whether it is within the debating rules of this debating site

That's my take on this debate.