FT: Barcelona 3-1 Milan

It isn't a fact, just an opinion, no need to get aggressive and moldy

It is a fact.

Let's get statistical.

Milan are only second to Madrid when it comes the amount times a club has won the Champions League.

Are you sure?

As I said Europe isn't the only benchmark as teams like Forest would be said to be bigger than you boys. Really and truly that would be a fallacy in today's world

Fair point. Fair point.

It is as you said then. All opinion.

So be it.

Each man to his own.

Although I'd be interested to know why you believe Man U are the bigger club?

I never doubted Milan the ones I really questioned were Chelsea and City and I noticed you have quickly backed away from those as you realised you were making a fool of yourself.

No worries we all makes fools of ourselves when we are younger, it is learning from those mistakes that separates regular people from the idiots.

Though onto the Milan discussion they certainly haven't been any better than United for years, this is the first time they have got further than us in the CL for years, think we have knocked them out of it ourselves once of twice recently.

If you wanted a chance at the CL you would pick United over Milan based on recent evidence...

Needless to say you would avoid Arsenal like the plague...

When I talk about bigger, I take into account fanbase, worldwide appeal, not just past glory but current glories, marketability. These are but just a few things I take into consideration when speaking of biggest. Only Madrid and prolly Barca can rival Man united when it comes to size.

"I never doubted Milan the ones I really questioned were Chelsea and City and I noticed you have quickly backed away from those as you realised you were making a fool of yourself."

Not really. When I first brought up City and Chelsea, I meant it as financial gain.

You started talking about history, and whatnot. So obviously those two won't be part of the equation. Not rocket science.

Funny that you tried the patronising approach after that.

"Though onto the Milan discussion they certainly haven't been any better than United for years, this is the first time they have got further than us in the CL for years, think we have knocked them out of it ourselves once of twice recently.

If you wanted a chance at the CL you would pick United over Milan based on recent evidence..."

So you conveniently pick the years you were doing better than them?

That's not how history works, kiddo.

Historically, if you're going to talk about European cups. They are light years ahead of you.

Move on.

"Needless to say you would avoid Arsenal like the plague..."

Unfortunately my club isn't part of it neither.

Not really. When I first brought up City and Chelsea, I meant it as financial gain.
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Yeah because Berbatov was desperate to take Cities offer rather than United's lower wages offer. As soon as Terry heard City were willing to pay him huge wages he was gone from Chelsea as well. In fact there seems to be a huge conveyor of talent turning down bigger clubs just to get a big pay day at City or Chelsea...

No wait a second, that is a load of bull.

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You started talking about history, and whatnot. So obviously those two won't be part of the equation. Not rocket science.
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Those two wouldn't be part of the equation anyway, unless there was a huge difference in wages offered nobody (without some kind of link to Chelsea or dislike of United) would select Chelsea over United to join, especially considering they look likely to miss out on the CL this year.

You do realise that even though they had near limitless funds that City struggled to sign many top class players until they had CL football. Tevez had argued with United and Robinho had problems with his club as well. Silva is the only real top class talent (at the time he was bought) they managed to attract without CL football.

Even City now considering the way some players they have bought have been treated, lets start with Milner first, promised a role in the middle and a key role in the team he has ended up playing on the wings quite often. Even issues like that aside a player would probably feel safer in the knowledge that going to United he would be more likely to win things.

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Funny that you tried the patronising approach after that.
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I went for the patronising approach after I realised I was talking to someone who hasn't got a clue about football...

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So you conveniently pick the years you were doing better than them?

That's not how history works, kiddo.

Historically, if you're going to talk about European cups. They are light years ahead of you
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Conveniently pick?

What the hell are you taking?

All I said was recent history, or are players going to start choosing moves to Nottingham Forest and Liverpool over Arsenal on the basis they won the European cup years and years ago?

Realistically, no.

A player would choose based on recent history in the competition. It is not as if any modern player is desperate to get himself to Nottingham Forest based on the fact they won the CL in the past, they would choose Chelsea or Arsenal if they wanted a semi realistic chance at the CL, despite the fact neither have won it and Forest have won it twice.

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Unfortunately my club isn't part of it neither.
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Part of the history club?

Don't worry players don't really care that you didn't win it a few times back in the 80's. Your chances of winning it now are much better than many teams who have won it throughout its history...

A few examples won't change the fact, that if most players are offered double, or triple what they are earning, they will most likely jumps ships. Champions League football or not.

Good God. The guy is dropping essays in the middle of the night. Trying to kill us over here?

I could use one example as well.

Have a look at Nasri. He had his pick between Man U and Man City. Who did he choose? The latter.
Not only that. He left a bigger club (Arsenal) to join City.

On top of the money he'd be earning. You can't tell me he didn't believe he wasn't going to win the league with City's squad.

"I went for the patronising approach after I realised I was talking to someone who hasn't got a clue about football..."

Ironic.

"Conveniently pick?

What the hell are you taking?

All I said was recent history, or are players going to start choosing moves to Nottingham Forest and Liverpool over Arsenal on the basis they won the European cup years and years ago?

Realistically, no.

A player would choose based on recent history in the competition. It is not as if any modern player is desperate to get himself to Nottingham Forest based on the fact they won the CL in the past, they would choose Chelsea or Arsenal if they wanted a semi realistic chance at the CL, despite the fact neither have won it and Forest have won it twice."

It's not the same thing. Nottingham Forest ain't in the Champions League. Nor are they in the Prem.

Liverpool aren't the Champions League neither.

AC Milan are in it, year in, year out.

So I have no idea what you're on about when you say 'realistically win it'.

Conveniently pick, yes.

You claimed:

"Though onto the Milan discussion they certainly haven't been any better than United for years, this is the first time they have got further than us in the CL for years, think we have knocked them out of it ourselves once of twice recently.

If you wanted a chance at the CL you would pick United over Milan based on recent evidence.."

Recent evidence, as you suggested they are ahead of you, as they've finished ahead of you, this season.

Don't go back a few years, when you guys won it, and say "yes we're ahead of 'em".
Doesn't work that way ese.

There's a certain aura about Milan. Of course, Man U have it too.

But Milan is special.

A few examples won't change the fact, that if most players are offered double, or triple what they are earning, they will most likely jumps ships. Champions League football or not.
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As you go down to the less talented footballers then that becomes more true but the top talent in football (whilst they also want big money) wants to play in the best competitions and win medals, mostly they would be prepared to earn slightly less to do so as well.

You don't hear many footballers look back on their career and talk about how earning x amount was a particular highlight, they refer to the trophies, the finals and the big competitions.

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Have a look at Nasri. He had his pick between Man U and Man City. Who did he choose? The latter.
Not only that. He left a bigger club (Arsenal) to join City.
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I don't think we even got to talk to Nasri, the impression I had was that Arsenal didn't want to sell to United.

Also City finished above Arsenal last season, both players had a more realistic shot of winning things at City.

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It's not the same thing. Nottingham Forest ain't in the Champions League. Nor are they in the Prem.

Liverpool aren't the Champions League neither.
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So the fact that a team has more CL's.... most of which are decades old is pretty irrelevant?

I am glad you agree

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AC Milan are in it, year in, year out.

So I have no idea what you're on about when you say 'realistically win it'.
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Simple equation, United have been to a few finals in recent years whilst AC regularly get knocked out in the quarter finals. Most people would suggest the team that regularly gets further would have more chance of winning it...

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Recent evidence, as you suggested they are ahead of you, as they've finished ahead of you, this season.
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Well put, I guess we shall now see a flood of players joining APOEL from City and United as they got further than both this year?

No, yet again logic is incredibly flawed.

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Don't go back a few years, when you guys won it, and say "yes we're ahead of 'em".
Doesn't work that way ese.
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Yeah lets ignore everything that happened previous and base everything on just this season.

APOEL> Man United, Man City.

Again, incredible flaw in your logic not surprised you can't see it though...