Anthems / flags for NI

My point being the Irish rugby team dont use the tri colour as there flag, they use the irish rugby flag. NI should do the same.

And yes ive heard Billy boys being sung at the 5-0 thrashing in Dublin, and they are obsessed with Bobby Sands. Its not healthy. It may be minorities but can be clearly heard on the TV never mind in the stadium.

As for the young actor attacked in the village, it was on the news. The guy clearly said those attacking him said 'Hes a kafflick lets kill him' They had him in a wheelie bin in a graden and some old horrible hag of a women told them to get him out of her garden instead of ringning the police. That alone tells you that Windsor Park isnt safe for 'Kafflicks'

Ahem. What did NI ever do to the people of ROI?
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Apart from the vast majority of the Protestant population hating on the ROI for no reason, Nothing. but my point being that why do unionists get offended at TSS? you can see why nationalists are offended at GSTQ, as her forces killed innocent nationalists, but what did the ROI do that makes TSS so offensive?

Apologies dont mean anything to most people who lost loved ones on both sides. Its just a cover by politicians to try and pain this picture of NI as one big forgiving happy family.

My point being the Irish rugby team dont use the tri colour as there flag, they use the irish rugby flag. NI should do the same.

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All well and good, but how do you go about seizing tricolours off thousands of (Southern) Irish folk as they try to enter the Aviva. Good luck. Did you not know about the stink that was kicked up by having TSS removed completely prior to kick-off for away rugby ties?! You do know that the IRFU allows the tricolour to fly from the Aviva Stadium on match day?

Another solution would for NI to adopt the same policy as the rugby, but in reverse. Play GSTQ and also an anthem like "Northern Ireland's Call" to appease the nationalists. Fair's fair?







And yes ive heard Billy boys being sung at the 5-0 thrashing in Dublin, and they are obsessed with Bobby Sands. Its not healthy. It may be minorities but can be clearly heard on the TV never mind in the stadium.

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Go on to the OWC website and you'll read reports of sectarian chanting aimed at NI fans during the same match. What can you do? It's a bit sad, but just how upsetting is it really? Being called an Orange this or a feenyon that. Could people maybe grow up and rank it alongside being called ginger or specky?! I don't know.

Do you still maintain that Bobby, Knees etc are still being sung by Northern Ireland fans at Windsor Park? I totally challenge that, but if that is the mindset amongst nationalists (and that's your choice of course), then the IFA is pi ssing in the wind at hoping to attract such people to Windsor Park





As for the young actor attacked in the village, it was on the news. The guy clearly said those attacking him said 'Hes a kafflick lets kill him' They had him in a wheelie bin in a graden and some old horrible hag of a women told them to get him out of her garden instead of ringning the police. That alone tells you that Windsor Park isnt safe for 'Kafflicks'

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These people must have an amazing gift for sniffing out catholics! Desperate story all the same. Don't think I've ever noticed a village resident on the short trek to and from the ground though. Do they stand about armed with knives etc, noses primed?




Ahem. What did NI ever do to the people of ROI? ---------Apart from the vast majority of the Protestant population hating on the ROI for no reason, Nothing.

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Haha, do you have sources for this claim?! Is this what you think?! Gordon Bennett. Could I equally claim the most of the ROI hate NI Unionists. It even manufacturered an illegal army who in the 70s, 80s & 90s, no matter their intent, killed more men, women & children of all religions and none than all the other organisations and the British Army put together - all in the name of uniting Ireland, ironically.







but my point being that why do unionists get offended at TSS? you can see why nationalists are offended at GSTQ, as her forces killed innocent nationalists, but what did the ROI do that makes TSS so offensive?

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TSS has been hijacked by Irish Republican rebels and is played at the funerals of same terrorists, no links I'm afraid, but they exist on YouTube. It is also the anthem of what is essentially a foreign nation to many people from NI, a nation they have little or no afinity for (see Life & Times Surveys), but hate?! LOL. Personally, I see ROI more like a rival nation, like the Scots & the English, or the Argies and the Brazilians. TSS does not represent me in any way shape or form and only Ireland's Call should be played at both home and away Irish rugby fixtures. Either TSS & GSTQ are both played or ONLY Ireland's Call. That's the way it should be.




I'm a bit disappointed more nationalists haven't contributed to this thread actually. Had hoped to hear a few say : you know what, I'm going to call your bluff fokbaik and make enquiries about what it would take for young nationalists to support NI and buy up tickets.

The sad thing is that for all the bluster about what shouldn't be on display etc, there's not one iota out there for what should be. Makes this Northern Ireland fan deeply suspicious of the motives for nationalists making such complaints.

Of course people will bring there own flags, and there is nothing wrong with someone bringing a NI glag to a NI game, but no UJ. but im talking about the official flag. It should be the NI footie flag. Thats whaat needs to be done when its divided population.

I dont know fully whats sung at Windsor, but I do know they sing Billy boys as I heard it one of the rares times I watched NI. And as I said it wont be doing nationalists any favours by singing about Bobby, whether its in the Avia in Dublin or at Windsor.

The vast majority ROI residents dont hate unionists. Dont be silly. On the other hand the vast majority of unionists hate the Irish north and south. Also the ROI didnt manufacture any republican group. The Provos and other groups were all Northern based as were the majority of its members.

Just because republicans used the tri colour and TSS doesnt mean the flag and anthem has to be asociated with the IR_A. in that case is the UJ associated with loyalists who murdered innocents? Is the England flag associated with all those innocent people killed in NI, Iraq, Afghan and elsewhere? Is GSTQ associated with drug dealing murderers from the UDA? Not for me it isnt. We need to move away from this narrow warped attitude.

Of course people will bring there own flags, and there is nothing wrong with someone bringing a NI glag to a NI game, but no UJ. but im talking about the official flag. It should be the NI footie flag. Thats whaat needs to be done when its divided population.

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So on the one hand, its ok for Irish fans of the rugby to bring tricolours...but it's NOT ok for NI fans to bring Union Flags (NI's official flag by the way) to Northern Ireland football matches. Is that what you're saying? Have I read that wrong?






I dont know fully whats sung at Windsor, but I do know they sing Billy boys as I heard it one of the rares times I watched NI. And as I said it wont be doing nationalists any favours by singing about Bobby, whether its in the Avia in Dublin or at Windsor.

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Then why even comment on something you admit you're not fully informed about. Some kno bs singing about Bobby on the Dublin Dart do not represent NI fans, the same way ROI fans singing about the I RA or Orange Bassa's do not presumably represent all ROI fans. Seems to be like these kn obs will forever represent a stick for nationalists to beat NI fans with - or an excuse as to why they won't support NI.





The vast majority ROI residents dont hate unionists. Dont be silly. On the other hand the vast majority of unionists hate the Irish north and south. Also the ROI didnt manufacture any republican group. The Provos and other groups were all Northern based as were the majority of its members.

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"on the other hand the vast majority of Unionists hate Irish North & SOuth". Without sounding patronising, what age are you?

Why would Unionists hate the "Irish"? Apart from their illegal terror organisations of course.

If I was as ill-informed as that, one could argue that all non-Unionists (note, I don't use "Irish" hate Unionists because they represent the reason why "Ireland" is not "United" and why there is a big fat border. Stands to reason though doesn't it? In fact, seems more plausible that nationalists/republicans hate Unionists for this very reason, than the other way around.

NB - I'm Irish. I come from Northern Ireland. I am a British passport holder. Please do not assume that one cannot be both Irish & British. Same way one can be Scottish & British, English & British etc etc.




Just because republicans used the tri colour and TSS doesnt mean the flag and anthem has to be asociated with the IR_A.

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Or one could say, just because the NI anthem is GSTQ and the (official) flag is the Union Flag, doens't mean they have to be associated with the British Armed Forces.

You can't have your cake and eat it Godfather.




We need to move away from this narrow warped attitude.

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I'll give you example of people with narrow warped attitudes:

People who think Unionists hate "the Irish" North & SOuth
People who firmly believe NI fans still sing Billy, etc at Windsor Park in their droves
People who can't see the harm in one flag/anthem, but only see the harm in others.





This is all a bit off topic, but let me ask you one thing. Do you personally know anyone who would physically go out and support NI (at the expense of whatever other nation they might support - in this case, probably ROI) - if the IFA changed the anthem/flag/match venue etc?

Yeah I dont agree with NI fans bringing UJ to a NI match. Its not a UK game, so bring a NI flag which is the official flag not the UJ Anyone who brings a UJ to a NI match are doing it for purely political reasons. Or they are desperately trying to show they world how British they are which is quite sad.

Ive never ever heard ROI fans sing about the RA or OO and ive been to plenty of games since I was a kid. So that theory is straight out the windy. On the other hand its not uncommon to hear NI fans singing about loyalists every now and then. Just think back to the 5-0 thrashing or the Youtube video in Dublin.

Also, the RA werent the souths 'illegal organisation'. Thats a bit like saying the UDA was Britians organisation. Very misleading. So that cant be a reason for unionists hating on the southerners. Thats a bit like me hating on the English for shankill butchers even though they were a bunch of 'Ulstermen '. Explain to me why a southern registered car cant park in loyalist areas but northern registered cars can park anywhere in the south without fear of there car being burnt out? Why do so many tri colours be burnt on the bonfires before the 12th? Theres no call for any of that.

I never said you cant be Irish and British. I respect that. I just wish more unionists would respect our right to be Irish instead of calling us British when we clearly arent. Imagine if the English started saying unionists werent really british. Imagine the outroar from wee Peter and Jimmy Alistar. Yet for some reason they are allowed to say we arent Irish. These Unionist folk are unbelieveable at times wuldnt you day.

But the UJ and GSTQ were the official anthem and flag for the brits who murdered children over here. So it will always be associated with them no matter what. The Irish free state forces never once attacked NI, so to label there flag and anthem with the RA is plain stupid. Is the American flag associated with the KKK? just because they used the flag for there own purpose doesnt mean that all white americans are racist.

I dont know anyone who has or would support NI, as I came from a nationalist town, but im sure there are catholics in 'normal areas' who dont have much political thoughts and would consider it if the right conditions were in place.

Yeah I dont agree with NI fans bringing UJ to a NI match. Its not a UK game.

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So presumably you also agree rugby fans shouldn't bring the tricolour to the Aviva or away games, since it's not a Republic of Ireland game??





bring a NI flag which is the official flag....not the UJ

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Wrong.


Although the NI flag is adopted by the likes of UEFA, FIFA, and other sporting bodies.





Anyone who brings a UJ to a NI match are doing it for purely political reasons.


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So presumably you also agree anyone who brings a tricolour to an "Ireland" rugby match are doing it for purely poilitical reasons? You can't have it both ways, Godfather, that is the important bit.




Or they are desperately trying to show they world how British they are which is quite sad.

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Or they are desperately trying to show the world the side is Irish (nationalist/republican), which is quite sad.




Ive never ever heard ROI fans sing about the RA or OO and ive been to plenty of games since I was a kid. So that theory is straight out the windy.

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Ah, I see. So if you haven't heard it, then it doesn't happen. Why didn't I think of that?





On the other hand its not uncommon to hear NI fans singing about loyalists every now and then.

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See the report on OWC website about sectarian chanting aimed at NI fans during the same match. It's swings and roundabouts.





I never said you cant be Irish and British. I respect that. I just wish more unionists would respect our right to be Irish instead of calling us British when we clearly arent.

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Who's calling you British?!?! You can be as "Irish" as you want to be.




Imagine if the English started saying unionists werent really british. Imagine the outroar from wee Peter and Jimmy Alistar. Yet for some reason they are allowed to say we arent Irish. These Unionist folk are unbelieveable at times wuldnt you day.

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Wee Peter and Jimmy Alisatir say you're not Irish??




But the UJ and GSTQ were the official anthem and flag for the brits who murdered children over here. So it will always be associated with them no matter what. The Irish free state forces never once attacked NI, so to label there flag and anthem with the RA is plain stupid.


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If it will always be associated with "the Brits", then you can accept that the SOldier's Song and tricolour will forever be associated with Irish Republicanism, which manifested itself into several illegal terror organisations, who murdered more men, women and children and ALL relgions and none, than the Brits ever did.




I dont know anyone who has or would support NI, as I came from a nationalist town, but im sure there are catholics in 'normal areas' who dont have much political thoughts and would consider it if the right conditions were in place.

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Being "sure" doesn't really cut it mate. Sorry. If these fence-sitting Catholics existed, we would have heard from them by now in the media or suchlike, about how they want NI to be represented and how that will have them flocking to see them play. It ain't happening. You don't hear a peep. Why do you think that is?

Im not bothered if Rugby fans bring tri colours to the game, Ulster based fans bring the Ulster flag(both) to the games too you know and it doesnt bother me or anyone else.

The NI flag, otherwise known as the English wannabe flag is the official NI flag. To say the UJ is the official flag is just stupid. Imagine some wee billy from the East Belfast trying to tell the English that there UJ jack flag i actually 'Norn Irons'

Not really no, since Ireland are playing its acceptable to bring an ROI flag or Ulster/NI flag.However its not acceptable to bring a UJ to a NI game, as Britian arent playing so the person bringing the flag is bringing it purely for political reasons. 'Were pure British so we are'

The side is actually Irish, so binging an Ireland flag to the game isnt desperate or attention seeking. Unlike the Unionist folk who like to cover there streets in UJ, British bunting, painting there lamposts and kerbs red white and blue, singing GSTQ all in a desperate attempt to be seen as british by the rest of the world(but mainly for the rest of the UK who just see them as Irish lol). Or maybe its all in the name of culture eh? as those folks at the OO are always telling us.

Show me one report of ROI fans singing about the RA and I will apologise and admit you were right all along...........

Nah the murdering brits were the official army of the Queen, so GSTQ will always be associated with them. The RA werent official anything, so to associate them with the tri colour is idiotic and sad. Especially considering what the flag represents. Peace between our two communities. But obviously loyalists dont what that as they love to burn tri colours on the 11th night dont they? Do you associate the KKK with the USA flag? you must do.

And you cant be taken seriously if you think the RA killed more innocent people than the British. How the hell do you think the British built there empire.

Hey, if no catholics want to support NI thats fine by me. All the better as the IFA and there fans deserve everything they get. But if they ever hope to regain the support of the other half the country they need to start somewhere. And im just showing you the foundations.Over and out.

Your ignorance know no bounds. I've pulled apart your each and every post on this thread.

It's a pity, but I feel like I've wasted my time educating you. Your stupidity & bigotry is a genetic thing, passed down from one thick bigotted cont to another. It's your future offspring I feel for, because sure as nignt follows day, theyll be told, unionists = evil.

Sure keep believing - your day will come

It's what got your predecessors through the day

Eh? look back on all the posts again without the orange tinted glasses and you will see ive wiped the floor with you each and every time and now your calling it quits as im absolutely spot on. Like i said, The IFA and there fans deserve everything they get. And its only going to get worse and worse. Indeed. All for now folks more on the Godfather De Mango show tommorrow. Till next time, over and out

See every post of mine which includes your quote and a few separating lines ( _ _ _ _ _) before my response begins? Right there is where you've been torn a new one.

No?

Which ones do you dispute?

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