If we lose to Juventus then we are

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Goodnight

Why is it the general assumption Shakhtar will win in Denmark?

The same assumption was made when we were relying on Levekusen messing up at Genk last year, there never do it, will they

They are fav's, but Juve dropped points there and we could have easily been level if not behind there going into the last 20 minutes.

Should we assume they should lose then?

So far they are the strongest team in the group, it is fairly natural to think they will beat the Danes.

I still want to win this group, but i'd snap a person's hand off right now if they guaranteed qualification.

I think that Shaktar will win this group.

Juve have little hope of winning the group as they would have to beat both Chelsea and then Shaktar away which seems unlikley.

So basically we´re in a dogfight with Juve for 2nd place and I think that Juve have the harder task.

Juve only drew away to the Danish side and they only drew at home to Shaktar whereas we won both those games so Juve have the most work to do in order to qualify.

As long as we beat the Danish side we could even afford to lose to Juve and still go through as long as Shaktar beath Juve in Donetsk.

We really can't afford the risk of losing to Juve as our own destiny is then out of our hands.

Biggish

Is this a fairer assessment? Of a certain striker

http://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/165652

We really can't afford the risk of losing to Juve as our own destiny is then out of our hands.

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I totally agree Biggish but at the same time all is certainly not lost if we lose in Turin as long as we win our last game against the Danes which we should especially as it´s at home.

From what I´ve seen of Shaktar I´m fairly confident that they will beat Juve in Donetsk. Take into account they wiped the floor with us over there.