Time for video replays.

* ref on field....

Video ref will be the death of football as we know it. Challenge flags ffs! Slow the game down, break up play, end up with 5-10 mins of added time at the end of a game. Then the moment a team has used all their challenges and a stone wall penalty is denied then we are back to square one.

As someone said, subjective calls are not absolute. You can't have a definitive answer.
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Why would you need challenge flags? Each captain will have the responsibility of challenging a decision of the referee.

How would it take 5-10 minutes to sort out a decision? TV replays are shown within moments and can be looked at in close detail. I don't want to see American Football style sport. I want to see a sport where referees are given an impossible job of judging incidents seen at a bad angle, or making decisions based on incidents that happen at great speed.

I think the keeper punching someone when trying to go for the ball is seen a bit differently to when an outfield player miss-times a tackle at chest (or waist) height, i didn't think we deserved a pen or that Lopez should have been sent off for the collision with Vida, had he lunged at him with his feet it would have been different if you see what i mean, likewise if Nani and Arbeloa had challenged for the ball and Nani had punched him then that would have been a red.

There still wouldn't be consistency where you have several officials trying to make a subjective call. Red on the field and his linesmen feel a goal scoring opportunity was denied and give a penalty. Video ref thinks not and says no penalty. On field ref disagreed....it goes on and on. You can't miss the point that most decisions on fouls, penalties or the award of cards are not based on absolutes, so video red is fairly redundant
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The video ref is given the final decision. The on pitch officials, have only seen the incident from their angle. While the video ref would have seen several angles, and so could make a decision based on what everyone has seen.

Ok, so there are no flags. Captain has to shout at the ref for a challenge. You said 2 each. So we are looking at 4 per game. It will take much longer than the 30 seconds you feel. Even if its only 1 minute, that's 4 more minutes onto the standard 3 or 4 added time at best. Getting close to 10.

Never mind no punishment for frivolous challenges that are designed to break up the other teams play.

Still the problem lies with having extra officials being able to over rule the ref on subjective calks. You're not making this connection between the subjective and absolute.

Like I said. Challenges, refs over ruled by off field refs, play broken up and stopped for periods of time, tactical use of challenges.,.. The games will be a nonsense

The video ref is given the final decision. The on pitch officials, have only seen the incident from their angle. While the video ref would have seen several angles, and so could make a decision based on what everyone has seen.

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On field ref no longer having the power to make final decisions will undermine them.

And you still seem to miss the subjective vs absolute issue.

You will just move responsibility for subjective decisions to someone else who may indeed have a different point of view but still has to interpret the rules the sane way

In terms of the keeper challenge, I do think keepers are allowed to be overly reckless. It is similar to headed challenges, a fair amount of time a player will go into a headed challenge with absolutely no chance of winning the ball, causing head collisions. Both the keeper challenge and the headed challenge are potentially very dangerous to the safety of players, but can you really police either?
A collision in either scenario is put down as accidental most times.

comment by Manfrombelmonty (U1705)

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Ok, so there are no flags. Captain has to shout at the ref for a challenge. You said 2 each. So we are looking at 4 per game. It will take much longer than the 30 seconds you feel. Even if its only 1 minute, that's 4 more minutes onto the standard 3 or 4 added time at best. Getting close to 10.

Never mind no punishment for frivolous challenges that are designed to break up the other teams play.

Still the problem lies with having extra officials being able to over rule the ref on subjective calks. You're not making this connection between the subjective and absolute.

Like I said. Challenges, refs over ruled by off field refs, play broken up and stopped for periods of time, tactical use of challenges.,.. The games will be a nonsense
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I don't see your point at all. Why can't a video referee have a final decision on an incident that he has seen more footage over than the officials? Referees aren't Gods, they make mistakes.

If you read what I had written in my actual post, you would see I only said that decisions for red cards, penalty decisions and offside goals can be challenged. They are not going to be allowed to be used in the middle of a game, only when the game has stopped. Like a red card, a goal or a the awarding of a spot kick.

In terms of the keeper challenge, I do think keepers are allowed to be overly reckless. It is similar to headed challenges, a fair amount of time a player will go into a headed challenge with absolutely no chance of winning the ball, causing head collisions. Both the keeper challenge and the headed challenge are potentially very dangerous to the safety of players, but can you really police either?
A collision in either scenario is put down as accidental most times.
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There's a difference between a person who has little or no chance of heading a ball; and a goal keeper running with his fists outstretched, into a crowded area of players' heads. These players would have run from one direction and the goal keeper another. I don't think the goal keeper should be sent off for that, but the logic of recklessness is mute whenever a goal keeper is defending a set piece.

I know you don't get the point. That's fairly obvious.

No one claims that refs are gods. Everyone on the field of play can make an error. A video ref can easily make the same mistake as an onfield ref.

Red cards are subjective. It's up to interpretation. On field or off field there is the same ability to make the mistake. No matter how many times a group of people will see a contentious red card decision, they will not agree. Because its not a black and white call.

Stopping the game to review offsides, decisions for red cards (would this include when a red wasn't given, so fouls in general?) penalties given, penalties not given etc will turn it into a circus