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Fun, stupid question

A wacky scenario.

Borussia Dortmund have won their first leg against Real Madrid 4-0. In the second leg, Real Madrid are winning 5-0, Dortmund end up having 5 players sent off, would the game be credited as a 3-0 victory to Real Madrid? Would Real Madrid be knocked out of the competition?

Is there a precedent, or rule for this?

posted on 1/4/14

comment by The Ghodfather Massimo Donati 18 (U9390)
posted 10 minutes ago
surely Dortmund would need to forfeit the tie
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Surely, they forfeit the one game, and not the entire two legs?

comment by Benched (U7195)

posted on 1/4/14

Madrid would appeal and Dortmund would be put out of the competition for failing to control their players.

Besides how would Dortmund fare against Bayern/Barca with that amount of players suspended? Unless they sent out the youth team to get sent off.

comment by Bãlès (U3582)

posted on 1/4/14

"A team sanctioned with a forfeit is considered to have lost the match by 3-0.

If the goal difference at the end of the match is greater than three, the result on the pitch is upheld"

http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/administration/50/02/75/discoinhalte.pdf

comment by Benched (U7195)

posted on 1/4/14

Google ruins all pub type debates these days

posted on 1/4/14

comment by Earl Brutus (U1449)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by UnitedRedMacca (U2024)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Jay. (U16498)
posted 17 seconds ago
I don't know if it works the same in 'real football'

but on Fifa if you have 5 people sent off, you automatically forfeit the game 3-0
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Ah ok

I don't play Fifa

The discs won't fit into my ZX81
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Have you tried crimping them down, like you do with a SIM card in an iPhone?
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What's a sim card?

comment by Bãlès (U3582)

posted on 1/4/14

comment by Benched (U7195)
posted 2 minutes ago
Google ruins all pub type debates these days
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I thought they'd forfeit the whole tie

comment by Bruno (U1664)

posted on 1/4/14

comment by Earl Brutus (U1449)
posted 17 minutes ago
Don't really know where to start here
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me neither

posted on 1/4/14

I think it's the tie overall if it happens in a 2-leg k.o. compatition.

posted on 1/4/14

comment by Pavlyuchenko's smile (U3582)
posted 33 minutes ago
"A team sanctioned with a forfeit is considered to have lost the match by 3-0.

If the goal difference at the end of the match is greater than three, the result on the pitch is upheld"

http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/administration/50/02/75/discoinhalte.pdf
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Who would go through then in this scenario? Dortmund or Madrid?

posted on 1/4/14

That Boy Ronaldo
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Madrid would go through 5-4 on aggregate as Real would be adjudged to have won the second leg 5-0 (this scoreline being upheld as it is greater than a 3 goal margin).

It would be possible for an ambiguous situation if, for example, in the second leg, Dortmund were reduced to 9 men for two last man challenges that lead to penalties and red cards in the first 15 minutes. This would mean that they would need to stop Real scoring 3 more times with a huge numerical disadvantage.

To overcome this, Jurgen Klopp instructs three of his players to deliberately get themselves sent off by starting a fight with the Real players.

Dortmund forfeit the game, but go through 4-3 on aggregate.

There could well be a rule to prevent this from happening in 2 legged ties, but if there is, I am unaware of it. It is very probable that if a situation similar to this occurred then the offending team would be kicked out of the competition.

The only example of a forfeit in a 2 legged tie, that I remember, was in an Milan Derby in the Champions League in 2005, when Milan were awarded progression due to crowd trouble.

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