Evening,
Can some of you lot on here stop talking so much rubbish about sports science and injuries? No-one on here probably knows much at all about sports science, so suggesting that all small players are inherently weak is a stupid point.
I am very into tennis, and two of it's greatest physical specimens suffer from injuries. Nadal has a chronic heel injury, which is less reported than his regular issues with knees, which of course come from playing on the heavy contact of a hard court. And Gael Monfils, who many believe is the sports greatest athlete ever, is the most injury prone player in the top 50. He regularly suffers from knee problems, as well as muscular issues. Even Tsonga, the guy who was said to be a reincarnation of Mohamed Ali, has probably had his career ruined by injury.
My point is that every body is different, and that there appears to be no set of rules as to what injuries a certain body type will suffer. Wilshere has ankle problems, yes. But the moron who suggested before that if you kicked Wilshere's ankle and then kicked Toure's, would show that bigger players can take more, is an absolute fool.
The only thing I can realistically suggest about our injury troubles is that we are more likely to suffer injuries from a heavy contact because of the technical style we play. Eduardo, Diaby and Ramsey leg breaks the most memorable examples of this.
We support Arsenal. It is frustrating at the best of times, but the injuries always seem a problem. But let's not have a forum, filled mostly by people who've never heard of an abdominal crunch nor a gymnasium, write off Wenger and his staff as mindless individuals without an appreciation for sports science.
Theories on Injuries
posted on 29/9/14
comment by Wengerite (U6219)
posted 7 minutes ago
ACE FACE makes good points. I think the problem with Sports Science is that everyone has their own theories.
For instance, everyone else I know who goes to the gym takes protein shakes, and tells me to take them. Yet someone who works at the sports department at YSJ University tells my mum that he has done his research that suggests they do very little for recovery, and are a con.
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But some theories seem to be yielding significantly greater or worse results than others.
The number of injuries Arsenal players suffer - not just impact injuries - is alarmingly high, which suggest the training philosophies implemented may need some adjustment - an idea which is compounded by the arrival of Shad Forsythe.
posted on 29/9/14
I don't think it has anything to do with Arsenal.
Some players just get (re)injured more than others.
posted on 29/9/14
Fair enough DaStuDogg, but I think Forsythe has gotta be given the benefit of the doubt going forward. He is highly regarded in the profession.
posted on 29/9/14
comment by DaStuDogg (U9291)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Wengerite (U6219)
posted 7 minutes ago
ACE FACE makes good points. I think the problem with Sports Science is that everyone has their own theories.
For instance, everyone else I know who goes to the gym takes protein shakes, and tells me to take them. Yet someone who works at the sports department at YSJ University tells my mum that he has done his research that suggests they do very little for recovery, and are a con.
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But some theories seem to be yielding significantly greater or worse results than others.
The number of injuries Arsenal players suffer - not just impact injuries - is alarmingly high, which suggest the training philosophies implemented may need some adjustment - an idea which is compounded by the arrival of Shad Forsythe.
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well having seen many many physiotherapists, I can conclude their knowledge of their field varies and some are clearly better than others.
Can't we just poach other clubs staff? Make Chesea's Eva and offer she can't refuse..
posted on 29/9/14
comment by Wengerite (U6219)
posted 1 minute ago
Fair enough DaStuDogg, but I think Forsythe has gotta be given the benefit of the doubt going forward. He is highly regarded in the profession.
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I agree
Just to clarify, I meant to say that Forsythe's arrival supports the idea that something may have been wrong with the training set-up - the club probably brought him in to try and rectify the injury problems we've been struggling with - but I worded my comment incorrectly, so sorry for the confusion!
He is very highly regarded, so hopefully we will see major improvements over the next few years!
posted on 29/9/14
well having seen many many physiotherapists, I can conclude their knowledge of their field varies and some are clearly better than others.
Can't we just poach other clubs staff? Make Chesea's Eva and offer she can't refuse..
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Haha! I can imagine the number of players complaining about groin injuries would skyrocket if that happened though!
posted on 29/9/14
Sports science can't help our injuries. We get so many for one simple fact. We built a squad of kids. Our players have been boys playing among men for quite some time now. Think a minute. Ramsey, Wilshere, Walcott, TV (when he was here) Gibbs. All plagued by injury. And all with a high number of starts at a very young age. Ramsey is the only one you could probably leave out as his injury was a massive one. All the others though, it's relatively minor niggles and recurrent smaller injuries. Jack - ankles, Theo - Usually his shoulder, TV - was his back and Gibbs - well everything.
Michael Owen was the first like this. A career, hampered and ultimately shortened by being played too much too young. Yes, the 17-24s have bags of energy and can do the running to start 30-40 games a season. However there physical development at that age can only cope with 10-20.
Though it seems silly on the surface, the "Kick Kolo, kick Jack" comparison that annoyed the OP so fits here. Kolo's ankles were fully grown when they started getting kicked week in week out. His full grown MAN'S frame could cope. Jack's lil baby boy ankles can't hack it.
Yes our older players get injured to but thier absences are the "par for the course" injuries we're meant to have. It's missing our younger starlets for large parts of seasons that's cost us most. No better demonstrated than last season when the top of the table disappeared along with Aaron and Theo.
Sports science is relatively moot where we are concerned because no amount of it, no matter how it's done, can compensate for the fact that our players haven't grown up yet.
Our injury record over the last 6-7 years is so poor because...
KIDS BREAK EASY
posted on 30/9/14
I do have a degree in Sport Science though. Of course it can help our injury problems.
posted on 30/9/14
I do have a degree in Sport Science though. Of course it can help our injury problems
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So exactly how can sports science turn a boy into a man before he's grown into one? The core of the injury problem is age and lack of physical development of the players. No matter what system of science you use, the poblem will remain. Sure some systems may produce slightly better results. But none of them can fix the actual problem.
Unless of course during your degree course they taught you how to give an 18 year old his future 25 yeard old body 7 years before he's grown into it.
posted on 30/9/14
"who suggested before that if you kicked Wilshere's ankle and then kicked Toure's, would show that bigger players can take more, "