Poch vs Sherwood

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There's no inconsistency just Sherwood lovers looking defending him with specific short term stats.
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Exactly.

Hugo,

Cup games are irrelevant here because it doesn’t show us a like-for-like comparison. As has been stated, Sherwood faced Arsenal in the FA Cup (Champions League level club, and eventual winner), he faced Benfica in the EL (Champions League level club, and eventual winner), and West Ham (Premiership club – similar level to Leicester at the time – but agree this was a bad end result ).

Poch on the other hand has had the advantage of facing the more poorer sides in the EL, i.e. AEL, FK Partizan and Asteras Tripolis which you inevitably get in the first half of the season. This is why it’s fair (not compulsory – but fair) to compare league records only, because we will never get Sherwood’s stats for the early rounds of the EL (well, never say never but as it currently stands we don’t have any to use).

It’s a bit like my jokey stat last week that we have a 100% win record with Adebayor as captain, but I’m assuming you would never admit that this makes him the most successful Spurs captain ever? This is why, when you start quoting stats, you have to put them into perspective and make them relative.

I hope Poch goes on to smash every record in the book, and I’ve never jumped on any anti-Poch bandwagon, but so far the facts state that Sherwood has the better record in the Premiership.

Chicken,

The thing with playing the group stages of the EL is that despite the fact they may look easier on paper, it tends to be a lot more disruptive to the PL campaign, having to play those games midweek on a regular basis.

You cannot say for definite how Sherwood would have done in a more congested first half of a season but the stats would suggest that Europa is a hindrance on the domestic campaign for most of those teams involved in it. Even Sherwood lost to the relegated Norwich soon after a Europa game.

I guess ultimately it depends on how much you regard the competition as a priority.

exactly chicken. yet again you are being biased and inconsistent.

the problem with EL group stages is not so much the games.. but the following game in the premier league..... fatigued players after a long travel to countries that are far away

plus this season we had a tough group

Interesting that Sherwood has not got another job since, although been in the running for a few.

Clearly his motor-mouth style does not impress everyone and if he really does not have a clear plan and structure (which is how it appeared when at Spurs) then may be the interviewees would pick up on this.

He was always going to be stand-in-Tim at Spurs

They should go for Sherwood at Villa. Even if you're not a fan you know he'll do a better job than Lambert.

the log I laid earlier would do a better job than lambert

Chronic,

yet again you are being biased and inconsistent.

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How am I being inconsistent by wanting to compare like-for-like? I think you are getting this consistency stuff around the wrong way. If an EL game causes tiredness and fatigue for the following league game then fatigue would also have already set in after the league game before the EL game, but where do the excuses for tiredness begin and stop?

The difference here is, you are posting from an anti-Sherwood point of view, but for me they are just 2 separate managers, which could be known as just A and B as far as I’m concerned. There is no agenda with my comments.

For the record, I think it’s okay to include cup games if you really want but if you want a true like-for-like then you have to compare same periods of the season (as you say, tiredness can play a part in certain fixture pile-ups) and similar circumstances. This is the reason I gave you the stat regarding Adebayor’s win ratio as captain – as it wouldn’t be fair to compare him to say, Ledley King, where Adebayor has only captained us in a home tie against League One opposition to get his 100% record.

Devon,

I think Sherwood ruled himself out for at least one job – but that isn’t really the point here. You can’t really judge one manager’s stats to be better than another on the basis that one of them hasn’t agreed terms with the first vacancy(ies) that come up since he left. I think that’s a good thing anyway, it would probably have been very easy to just rush into the first offer put on the table. It has to be right for both parties. I think we’ll see him in management sooner rather than later as most neutrals realise what a good job he did, what with being thrown straight in with no squad additions of his own – other than introducing Bentaleb and Kane to the Premiership, of course .