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comment by D4thincarnation (U2520)
posted 6 minutes ago
Protien, gives you an advantage, creatine ZMA, so many other supplements.

They are all legal and allowed. Ice bath, oxygen tents, high altitude training, are we going to ban those as well.

The only drugs that should be banned are drugs that can do damage to the athlete, long term or short term

If it is not banned by the rules, it is not cheating, it is that simple.
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Any supplements should be deemed as cheating.

Of course ice baths and high altitude training shouldn't be treated as cheating as you aren't ingesting or taking chemicals that alter your body. They are natural ways that allow your body to improve performance by itself.

Anything that is unnatural that enhances performance is cheating in my eyes.

Pathetic that athletes are so weak and effectively pathetic that they can't achieve being the best without synthetic aids.. if you aren't good enough, live with it. Most of us do.

It's like the idiots that spend their entire week lifting weights and pumping themselves full of protein shakes or worse, steroids, just to look like the fancies on George Shore

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So you are calling on a ban on all supplements?

Why?

Creatine is found in steak, I I can eat 5 steak or have some creatine for the same effect.

Are you going to ban people from eating steak?

What if someone liquidizes the steak and drinks it, is that still banned.

ZMA increases your natural T level.

It is a combination of Zinc Magnesium and Vit B6. Are you going to ban vitamins and minerals now.

What about the chamber that Djokovic uses to boosts his red blood cell count. That is OK though.

But blood doping is banned, that is no chemicals at all.

Just stick to the rules, it is that simple

If you want to eat 5 steaks then knock yourself out.. I wouldn't expect you to do much training after that.

Whereas if you take creatine supplements you artificially get your 5 steak dose without the drawback of being stuffed to the brim.. hence cheating.

Blood doping can be done with chemicals. Other than that it the other methods also enhance performance artificially so yes, they should be banned.

If you can't do it naturally you don't deserve any achievements.

It's this attitude of "its OK, it hasn't been banned yet" that is ruining sport and encouraging more and more cheats. The fact that some fans appear to be OK with it is disappointing.

It's like asking two people to answer a maths question. One who can work it out mentally and one who needs a calculator.. then declaring the guy who used the calculator the winner for getting the answer quickest despite knowing the other person is better at maths and your "winner" having no chance without effectively cheating.

If the calculator is allowed in the test it is not cheating. It was allowed in my maths exam

Like I said, you can liquidize the steaks, you can even employ a technique to take the creatine out and just have mainly that.

Would you also ban multi-vitamins, what about cod liver oil. Maybe squeezed juiced.

The rules apply to everyone, if someone is not using them to their fullest then it's on them.

Using the calculator analogy.. you know the guy using it isnt the best at maths, he knows it too. Guess some people have no shame.

Dress it up however you want.

A cheat is a cheat.

Would you rather hire someone capable of doing a job, or someone who isn't capable of doing a job but Googled his CV and answers (because it's allowed).

Personally I'd want the best and I expect the top athletes in any sport to be the best.. not juiced up cheats.

comment by JukeboxJunkie - A wrong decision is better tha... (U10162)
posted 1 minute ago
Using the calculator analogy.. you know the guy using it isnt the best at maths, he knows it too. Guess some people have no shame.

Dress it up however you want.

A cheat is a cheat.

Would you rather hire someone capable of doing a job, or someone who isn't capable of doing a job but Googled his CV and answers (because it's allowed).

Personally I'd want the best and I expect the top athletes in any sport to be the best.. not juiced up cheats.
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Depends what you are doing, trig is tough on calculators if you don't know what they are doing.

And simple sums are easy to work out in your head than on a calculator.

A Cheat is a Cheat, is just a tautology that says nothing.

A Cheat is someone that breaks the rules.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/cheat

Act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage:

Gain an advantage over or deprive of something by using unfair or deceitful methods

As you can see, if you obey the rules you can't be a cheat, by definition.

Vitamins and minerals are not treatments specific to heart problems. If you dont have a heart problem and you are taking said drug you are cheating.
Lost me when you started warbling about altitude training and oxygen tents.

comment by bertrand small (U19359)
posted 7 minutes ago
Vitamins and minerals are not treatments specific to heart problems. If you dont have a heart problem and you are taking said drug you are cheating.
Lost me when you started warbling about altitude training and oxygen tents.
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Different ways of boosting red blood cell count. Blood doping using no chemicals/drugs but is banned, you think that should be allowed.

Have to agree with D4 if it's not banned you should be able to take it! Its up to the officials to ban it! I guarantee almost every athlete in the world would be banned if that's the case