Anyone else getting tired of Cameron, Osborne and other Conservative cronies telling us on a weekly basis about the things that supposedly will get worse if we leave the EU ? House prices will supposedly fall, holidays will become more expensive, blah blah and so on.
Can Cameron and the Conservatives definitively prove that we'll be worse off outside of the EU ? No they can't and at very best they can only be guessing with these claims and at worst lying through their teeth.
Personally I hope we leave the EU because that's the only way we'll be able to return to an era where there was an abundance of industry and real growth within the UK without the many absurd restrictions that we have to abide by as members of this EU cabal.
As things stand the UK sends tens if not hundreds of millions to the EU on a weekly basis and as members of the EU we are seemingly controlled by an unelected leader and officials in an organisation that creates the majority of our laws.
Can anyone honestly say that the UK appears to be getting stronger over the decades as members of the EU ? Or are we shrinking and becoming less and less relevant ? Britain did actually used to be great once upon a time.
It's important that people realise that if we vote to stay in the EU then I seriously doubt that there will be another vote where we can vote to leave it, certainly not in any of our lifetimes.
Brexit scaremongering
posted on 3/10/16
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 46 minutes ago
Brexit is Brexit, the people have spoken.
If the deal May and Co strike to have tariff free access to the single market is dependant on free movement of EU nationals we should have a referendum on whether we should proceed? I appreciate there are other issues but immigration was by far the major reason the majority voted Leave.
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Hec
I voted Leave, but would happily have another referendum once any deal has been thrashed out, either:
1. A binary choice - deal on the table or hard brexit.
2. The same as above, but with continued EU membership as a 3rd option on an AV system. Any one with 50% wins, if none gets it the least popular gets struck off and 2nd choice votes are counted.
posted on 3/10/16
Ledley.
IMO any negotiated deal has to have the UK controlling its borders for it to be passed without the need for another vote and I reckon that means hard Brexit.
We want our cake and to eat it, free access to the EU no free movement of EU citizens. I cannot see the EU states agreeing to that, their leaders have invested too much of their own political capital insisting its not negotiable.
posted on 3/10/16
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 minute ago
Ledley.
IMO any negotiated deal has to have the UK controlling its borders for it to be passed without the need for another vote and I reckon that means hard Brexit.
We want our cake and to eat it, free access to the EU no free movement of EU citizens. I cannot see the EU states agreeing to that, their leaders have invested too much of their own political capital insisting its not negotiable.
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It all depends on what is termed as control I suppose.
An immigration cap - no matter how high it is - would still be control of a sort.
I am a democrat, and I believe this concession would have probably swung the vote for Remain if it was in Cameron's initial deal.
52% is a majority, but I am not arrogant enough to think it is overwhelming enough to ignore the nuances of the new deal on the table
posted on 3/10/16
During the campaign, to me anyway, it sounded like we get to decide who gets in. Self imposed caps would be us in control but EU dictated caps...not so much.
Mrs May has a fight on her hands, with the negotiators, with her own party, the SNP and with the electorate.
posted on 3/10/16
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 hours, 35 minutes ago
Brexit is Brexit, the people have spoken.
If the deal May and Co strike to have tariff free access to the single market is dependant on free movement of EU nationals we should have a referendum on whether we should proceed? I appreciate there are other issues but immigration was by far the major reason the majority voted Leave.
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Pretty much.
posted on 3/10/16
Hec and Ledley.
Looks as if controlling immigration trumps being in the Eu single market.....per May and hard brexit.
posted on 3/10/16
The way I see it, the politicos will do whatever it takes to keep their project intact.
There are rumblings across the continent now....if something does not give on immigration we will not be the last to vote.
posted on 5/10/16
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 1 day, 23 hours ago
The way I see it, the politicos will do whatever it takes to keep their project intact.
There are rumblings across the continent now....if something does not give on immigration we will not be the last to vote.
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Hungary, Uk, Germany, France, Slovakia, Greece, Italy, Sweden all fed up with immigration, uncontrolled.
posted on 6/10/16
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 10 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 1 day, 23 hours ago
The way I see it, the politicos will do whatever it takes to keep their project intact.
There are rumblings across the continent now....if something does not give on immigration we will not be the last to vote.
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Hungary, Uk, Germany, France, Slovakia, Greece, Italy, Sweden all fed up with immigration, uncontrolled.
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German, French and Italians go to the polls next year.
Could put a new spin on the negotiations that
posted on 6/10/16
Immigration is not my main gripe for wanting out of the EU.
I like the idea of freedom of movement, but in its current set up I feel there has to be a point where you can put it on hold, as a democratic country. The continent is too imbalanced financially for it to work properly.
Personally I would be open to FoM as long as criteria were met. Countries having to reach a certian level of average pay, and minimum wage, for them to take advantage. Along those lines.
I think either of these would swing another vote to Remain myself.
It would probably nip it in the bud across the continent too