The Rooney Situation

comment by Zlatan The King Ibrahimovic (U10026)
posted 5 minutes ago
You're saying that if Rooney wasn't playing we wouldn't have scored 50% of the goals we've scored. That is not factual, that is conjecture.

I don't judge everything on stats. Rooney has been poor.
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No, it isn't conjecture.

We may have scored other goals. More or less than the 3 Rooney has made. But we don't know that we would have.

Scoring or making a goal a game is a world class output any player or manager would be happy with.

We're not talking about stats like possession, pass completion or tackles made here, we're talking about wins, goals and goals conceded. Those aren't arbitrary statistics, they are the ultimate deciding factors in football. The only stats that matter. And in those stats, Rooney is delivering in a huge way and has certainly not been poor. If you don't want to consider those stats the bottom line, there's a variant of football played without goals where it's all about keeping the ball that may be just for you, but I can't recall what it's called.

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comment by I am No.4 (U19487)
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Rooney could misplace practically every pass he plays in the game, but if he gets a goal or makes one and doesn't directly contribute to us conceding one, he stays in the team.

What more exactly can you ask for that to be directly involved in a goal a game from a forward? Who cares if passes go astray as long as the output is there.
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I tend to agree, but in his last 2 full seasons he has been involved in 31 PL goals (20 goals, 11 assists, no idea how many were penalties), which puts him roughly on a par with Gylffi Sigurdsson.

The obvious question is whether that is good enough, for someone who offers little in terms of all-round control of a game, fluency, dynamism etc

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Right now, in the 2016/2017 season, he's playing himself into the team. 6 months ago, he shouldn't have made the bench.
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So how many "bad" games is he allowed to have before being dropped?
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He's delivering the numbers. That means in spite of being off form in your opinion, he's winning us games.

That means that right now he shouldn't be dropped.
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So you are taking into account only the final score line?
Even if the team could have played better, scored more goals or had more cleansheet if he was dropped?
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There is no way to know if we could have scored more, but we likely wouldn't have conceded less considering none of Rooney's mistakes so far have led directly to an opposition goal.

You don't get points for lovely football, possession or pass completion. You get points for wins. We're in the first 10 games of the season and wins is what Manchester United need before we start to obsess over how we win.
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Yeah but Rooney was directly involved in losing the ball, breaking upnoir attack and the opposition having the ball to attack

Fortunately unlike past seasons it didn't lead to a goal as our defence and MF are better
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All the more reason he should be in the team, if he's as productive as he is, but the risk is less from his mistakes.
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Or that someone with less mistakes will.lead us to more glory and goals
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No proof of this at all, making it conjecture.

You want to drop our most productive player because he's making mistakes that aren't costing us at all at this point, in spite of him being our most productive and best player in the only areas that matter at all so far this season.

And that's not conjecture, that's undeniable truth.

Rooney has never been our most productive player

Even with his so called "good form" Valencia was player of the month

It is conjecture, you cannot take away those statistical contributions and claim as fact we'd not have scored them without Rooney in the team. Are you retaaaaarded?

Sir Alex Ferguson was in the process of lining him up for a summer exit 3 years ago. Moyes thought it better to give him a 5 year contract extension... Says it all.

In an ideal world, our Wayne would be sent to train with the Academy. Sadly, that's perhaps where his talents are best utilised these days.

So, nailed on to start against City, in Jose's eyes.

comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 25 minutes ago
Sir Alex Ferguson was in the process of lining him up for a summer exit 3 years ago. Moyes thought it better to give him a 5 year contract extension... Says it all.
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Its not as simple as that to be fair.

i always defended rooney by pointing back to his stats until last season when the veil was finally lifted and i truly saw him for the poor player he has become

the frustration of seeing an inferior lineup cos of a need to accommodate a now mediocre player pains me

rvn was still a very good player, just not suited to the break neck pace of football we were playing at the time

It frustrated me when Berbatov played because he didn't fit with our system, and he was an excellent players with the ability to actually trap a bag of sand unlike Rooney.

Jose will go down in my view if he keeps playing himself season, cannot blame the player when he keeps getting picked every week

Playing him all season