I thought the following was interesting, taken from the blog trentender
Do Forest really get more injuries than other teams?
Everyone thinks their own club is special, right? Football is not a sport that does perspective well and it's easy for fans of every team to think that their predicament is the worst.
We've presumably all laughed at the fans of Premier League top six teams such as Arsenal, Liverpool or Spurs when they dial up and moan about their teams' deficiencies on football phone-ins. I once heard a Liverpool fan call Talk Sport at half time to demand that Brendan Rodgers was sacked because his side was behind to Aston Villa. They won that game. Let's face it, if you had a pound for every time someone has called for Arsene Wenger to be sacked you'd, well, be able to afford a ticket to see his Arsenal team, probably.
A month ago I asked why Forest have had so many injuries. At that point I totted up that the first 13 league games of the season had seen 11 players taken off during a match as a result of injury. Just five games up until that point had been played out without a substitution due to an injury.
But, was I falling into the lack of perspective trap that catches those poor, hard done to, Premier League fans? Is Forest's injury crisis actually any worse than any other club's? All fans, and all managers, bemoan injuries in the same way that we all always want at least one or two more signings.
Well, firstly, it's hard to tell just how bad the situation is at every club in the Championship. At face value, the data doesn't seem that easy to come by (unless anyone knows of a good source?).
However, this sort of information is more readily available in the Premier League. Last January 15, the BBC ran a story in conjunction with PhysioRoom which featured a league table based on the number of 'days missed' through injury. Again, I don't hold this data for Forest this season but the table also showed the total number of players injured for each of the Premier League clubs, something we have half a chance of comparing.
Top of the table - with the fewest injuries - were Watford, Leicester, Norwich and Swansea with nine injured players apiece. Worst off were the two Manchester clubs, with 20 each, Liverpool and Stoke with 19 and the two North East clubs with 18.
Later, The Independent was one of a number of news outlets to report the fact that Leicester suffered just 18 injuries all season.
How about now? Well, PhysioRoom, where the press seems to get its data on this, shows that Hull and Watford are currently worst off in the top flight with seven injuries each.
So, what about Forest? By my reckoning at least 17 different players have suffered injuries of some form this season: Dorus De Vries, Stephen Henderson, Daniel Pinillos, Michael Mancienne, Matt Mills, Armand Traore, Danny Fox, Jack Hobbs, Damien Perquis, Thomas Lam, Chris Cohen, Muzzy Carayol, David Vaughan, Matty Cash, Matty Fryatt, Britt Assombalonga and Niklas Bendtner.
I fear I may well have missed someone too (have Dumitru and Lica had knocks?) and we're told that Eric Lichaj is a doubt for the Barnsley game.
In total, 32 different players have worn the Garibaldi Red this season and, by my reckoning, a Lichaj injury would mean that at least 16 of those have been injured (with Hobbs and Fryatt yet to start). Two of those are among the players now out on loan too (with Jamie Ward injured) and four have left the club. You could say that 15 of the 25 players who are currently on the books and have played a league game will have been injured should Eric miss out.
There's a chance that Pinillos, Lichaj, Traore, Hobbs, Cohen, Vaughan, Cash, Fryatt, Bendtner and Assombalonga could all be missing for the trip to Oakwell if those 'in doubt' don't quite make it for this game.
If that were the case, it would be ten players missing for Phillippe Montanier. Previouefore the Reading game it was said that nine players were out.
Again, it's a shame we can't compare like-for-like but we can say:
Forest seem to have more current injuries than any Premier League team
Half of the first team squad has been injured at least once already this season
If Lichaj is out, then the 18 different injured players we've had would represent a higher rate than 14 of the 20 Premier League clubs had suffered by mid January last season
Leicester only suffered 18 separate injuries last season. With some of our players suffering two or three knocks already then our total is well into the 20s before the half way point of 2016/17.
So, while we can't say with absolute certainty that Forest's is the worst injury crisis, the evidence I can find shows that it must at least be among the worst. The picture is still extremely bleak even when compared to others and shows no real sign of improving.
It is certainly enough to suggest that something really ought to be done about the issue.
Injuries ratio
posted on 25/11/16
Fryatt is another good example as he had injuries problems at Walsall, Fester and Hull that were all well documented. Believe he had been out for the entire season at Hull before Forest signed him? In fairness, it seemed a good deal when he played under Psycho and was looking very effective upfront with Assombalonga.
posted on 25/11/16
You must know your injury situation is bad when you only get mentioned by the manager in the press conference once every three months or so!
posted on 25/11/16
Although concerned about Jamie Ward injury record there was more sense in his longer deal as it gave him the security of a three year deal as a way to offset the embargo wage restrictions
posted on 25/11/16
comment by Rat's Sarcastic Tone of Voice - FAH OUT (U18611)
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Although concerned about Jamie Ward injury record there was more sense in his longer deal as it gave him the security of a three year deal as a way to offset the embargo wage restrictions
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Shows how poorly managed Forest have been over recent years that they've had to take such risks.
posted on 25/11/16
Dorus De Vries, Stephen Henderson, Daniel Pinillos, Michael Mancienne, Matt Mills, Armand Traore, Danny Fox, Jack Hobbs, Damien Perquis, Thomas Lam, Chris Cohen, Muzzy Carayol, David Vaughan, Matty Cash, Matty Fryatt, Britt Assombalonga and Niklas Bendtner.
Of those listed above how many had a history of injury so bad they could be classed as a risky signing?
Hobbs
Fryatt
Traore
Vaughan
There has to be more to it than we are just forced into signing sick notes. Fitness is so important, but also injury recovery could be significant. Take Cohen for example, how confident can we be that he has been managed properly in all the recovery periods he has had, and what impact mis-management has had on him
posted on 25/11/16
It's not the main factor definitely
posted on 26/11/16
Great article mate.
posted on 26/11/16
You would hope they have handled Cohen as well as they possibly could. I just think he has had so long out it will take a couple of seasons to iron out all of the niggles if he can. Other than the facilities, the players are the main investment that the club makes so you would hope they would be giving them access to the best they can afford in terms of rehabilitation.
posted on 6/12/16
I still can't believe that Fryatt is STILL out, we're STILL employing him and there's no sign of him ever returning. I guess a footballer's wage is much better than being on benefits...
posted on 6/12/16
If they are off sick they should get £88.45 per week SSP like everyone else.