Good Tuesday morning how are you.
Please jot down any overrated legends of the game you hear talk about and think "WTF Bro!? They just weren't that good!!"
Eric Cantona - basically a French Matt Le Tissier, but with more of an attitude problem. Didn't try hard in a very well structured Utd team and looked a genius for it. Likes of Zola, Ginola, Dybala etc would have been exponentially better.
Zinedine Zidane - Undeserved Ballon D'or winner extraordinaire, people overlook the fact that this Algerian thug rarely turned up throughout a season and half his careers trophies are due to players far better than him carrying him. Yet a few fancy kicks and flicks in a handful of big-games has elevated him into hugely overrated 'GOAT' status. He isn't even a patch on Ronaldinho.
Oliver Kahn - If being big and shouty meant you were a good keeper then Joe Hart would be the second greatest keeper of all time behind this Aryan lump. In reality his most notable moment is bottle a 1-0 lead vs Manchester Minnows.
Roberto Baggio - He was just a ponce with a mullet, scoring tap-ins vs the smaller teams. For the younger generation he is just a better maketed Inzaghi without the manic celebrations.
Juan Roman Riquelme - It hurts to admit it, but he wasn't paticularly fantastic. Saviola, unfortunately, was far better. Looked good when he played though.
What about you?
P.S Chelsea fans some of these players were pre-2003 so use wikipedia instead of asking silly questions
Overrated 'Legends'
posted on 22/2/17
comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 3 minutes ago
Ryan Giggs for me. If he'd been right footed he'd have been ditched from Utd years beforehand. Reliable left footed players are harder to come by. Obviously he won it all at Utd but I think his legend status is generated more by his longevity rather than his ability. His top level career was prolonged by Gammon Face out of sentimentality more than anything else.
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The best left winger the PL has seen. Don't let the older version of him fool you to how good he was in the 90s
posted on 22/2/17
comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 8 minutes ago
Ryan Giggs for me. If he'd been right footed he'd have been ditched from Utd years beforehand. Reliable left footed players are harder to come by. Obviously he won it all at Utd but I think his legend status is generated more by his longevity rather than his ability. His top level career was prolonged by Gammon Face out of sentimentality more than anything else.
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Does Gammon Face do sentimentality?
Giggs still great squad player mid 30s
posted on 22/2/17
comment by Robb Mkhitaryan (U21234)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 3 minutes ago
Ryan Giggs for me. If he'd been right footed he'd have been ditched from Utd years beforehand. Reliable left footed players are harder to come by. Obviously he won it all at Utd but I think his legend status is generated more by his longevity rather than his ability. His top level career was prolonged by Gammon Face out of sentimentality more than anything else.
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The best left winger the PL has seen. Don't let the older version of him fool you to how good he was in the 90s
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Yes but do remember few United fans slating him in early to mid 30s before praising his durability late 30s
posted on 22/2/17
Yes but do remember few United fans slating him in early to mid 30s before praising his durability late 30s
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So you are judging him on his thirties despite the fact that he won his first PL title at 18? Would you judge Rooney on his thirties? Or Cantona? Best?
posted on 22/2/17
There was a game at OT were Giggsy was getting booed, it was faint but he was definitely booed. I wonder of it was to do with all that jazz re his brothers Mrs? The Giggs' have lived in Salford since they were kids, I wonder of people knew about it all back then and gave him a sh*t for it, I wouldn't have thought it was anything to do with his performances.
posted on 23/2/17
comment by add912 (U9189)
posted 17 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur - #saynotoShaw (U1109)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
Lets look at that Zidane World Cup win then shall we?
Game 1 - poor performance
Game 2 - sent off
DIDNT PLAY AGAIN until Italy in the QF.
Italy - Played poorly
Croatia - played well but hugely outshone by Thuram, for example
Final - Great game
So based on a game and a half of playing well in a WC he deserves this god like status? (P.S that France team was unreal and the likes of Thuram, Desailly, Lizarazu and Deschamps were miles better than him)
Then you say he didn't win trophies because of 'unbalanced sides' but commend him for winning a trophy in which he barely took part of and his teammates won for him. Plus that RM was hardly unbalanced throughout his time, the 02 winning CL team was very well balanced.
Again, I keep saying this on this thread, and I have took into account over and over again. The 2006 WC he was exceptional in the knockouts even though he let his teammates down in the final. Yet one good WC doesn't make a player.
Ronaldinho did stand the test of time and was no more inconsistent than Zidane. Unless you have erased your memory and forgot his latter years at Juve? Or the seasons for RM where an attacking mid only scored 6 goals in all competitions.
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But his game was not about goals, he was a playmaker able to produce moments of sublime magic...
You're referring to 1998 - where his contribution won them the WC. He also won the CL with the most amazing goal.
But it's not about what they have won. Winning is the wrong metric to use here. You can win things with a squad like Leicester and defensive / boring football. Zidane was never part of that.
If you can appreciate the way the game should be played, he was definitely up there with the greatest of all time. Sure, he was flawed but he was definitively a once in a life time type of player... A true great.
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I feel you are massively missing everything I am posting here though.
I am not discrediting Zidane as an entertainer; he is a fantastic one. When on form there are few players as pleasing to watch play football as him ever.
He also was a fantastic player, I am just saying he isn't as good as other genuine best ever players.
I also feel you are massively overlooking what I am saying about the 98 world cup. He had 1 genuinely good game for France all tournament and people like yourself wrongly praise him whereas it was the performances of Thuram, Lizarazou, Deschamps and Desailly (for example) who won France the world cup.
posted on 23/2/17
I also disagree with Giggs being overrated.
People forget how good he was in his first few years, and then try and discredit his later career as well.
He was always a fantastic squad player for Utd to have, and I believe he even got something like 14 assists in the league the season Valencia joined Utd.
Not bad going really.
posted on 23/2/17
comment by Edinspur - #saynotoShaw (U1109)
posted 15 minutes ago
[Zidane] also was a fantastic player, I am just saying he isn't as good as other genuine best ever players.
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I didn't see Di Stefano, Pelé, Eusebio, Cruyff, Best or others play out their careers, but there are 3 players in my lifetime who have stood out above the rest:
Maradona, Ronaldo Nazario de Lima and Messi. Probably in that order.
Every other footballer since around 1980 -whether it's Platini, Ronaldinho, Laudrup, Zidane or Cristiano Ronaldo- occupies a place that is open to debate but, in my opinion, is undisputably beneath these three.
posted on 23/2/17
comment by itsonlyagame (U6426)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Edinspur - #saynotoShaw (U1109)
posted 15 minutes ago
[Zidane] also was a fantastic player, I am just saying he isn't as good as other genuine best ever players.
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I didn't see Di Stefano, Pelé, Eusebio, Cruyff, Best or others play out their careers, but there are 3 players in my lifetime who have stood out above the rest:
Madonna, Ronaldo Nazario de Lima and Messi. Probably in that order.
Every other footballer since around 1980 -whether it's Platini, Ronaldinho, Laudrup, Zidane or Cristiano Ronaldo- occupies a place that is open to debate but, in my opinion, is undisputably beneath these three.
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Eusebio? I say take a shower!
I like you
posted on 23/2/17
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