Exit polls massively correct

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Highest turnout of the young vote in quite some time, this is because they share Corbyn's ideals, whilst the majority of Conservative voters sit in the older brackets, the future is looking very bright indeed.

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comment by Ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 3 hours, 34 minutes ago
What a load of nonsense. There's a natural inclination for people to get more right wing the older they get
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Complete fallacy!
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Demographics will permanently destroy the Tory party any day now" has been said for the last 40 years.
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Well it did keep them out of government with record lows for 13 of those years.

Then the global market imploded and Labour imploded and it got them back in again with Cameron who was a good TV performer but who the core of the Tory right hated.

Now the Tory right have control of the party again they are going back the way of the 90's.

Labour are rediscovering themselves and a Labour government in the fairly near future looks a lot more likely than it did even two months ago.

I will add that I don't think Corbyn will ever be PM, he has too much baggage that the right wing media will never let lie and influences voters.

His replacement has a very good chance though, whenever that happens.

Corbyn has energised the party and at the next conference the left of the party should take control.

There are a lot of good left Labour people who will be candidates to replace him once the party has reformed, and one of those (Rayner, Lewis, Thornberry etc) will be PM.

Not so sure.

Mayhem's open-legged "come and get me" to the DUP means that particular slab of shiiit will stick to her & her cronies for a good many years.

comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 21 hours, 56 minutes ago
wild claims without evidence

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There is evidence. Empirical data since the 1950's and across the last 5 elections.
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Perhaps it's worth considering why... Acquired wealth..

However, thanks to neo liberal economics, for the first time in history there is a generation that throughout the majority of their life will be poorer than the generation before them (until inheriting)

Those born after 1980 have statistically half the wealth of the generation preceeding them.. So when are they going to move to the right and seek to "conserve" their assets? Presumably when their parents die, and people are living longer and longer...

I wouldn't be surprised to see more people in the 1980s onwards demographic move further left as they age and see they are being left behind. As I said, this is this first time in our history it's happened. Couple that with stagnant wages vs rampant productivity increases and you can't base the future on history

The other problem for the conservatives there is these younger people, even when they do eventually inherit that money, won't all suddenly become right wing overnight. Some will adjust to their new status and might change their vote accordingly but many will also have a fairly robust set of beliefs already ingrained that directs their vote.

I can see real positive change on the horizon, the kind I really didn't see coming 5-10 years back...

comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 5 hours, 27 minutes ago
The other problem for the conservatives there is these younger people, even when they do eventually inherit that money, won't all suddenly become right wing overnight. Some will adjust to their new status and might change their vote accordingly but many will also have a fairly robust set of beliefs already ingrained that directs their vote.

I can see real positive change on the horizon, the kind I really didn't see coming 5-10 years back...
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The vast majority of younger voters are left wing, always have been and probably because earning less than £26k a year makes you a net beneficiary of the state and very few have any real life experience. That plus the likes of grime artists backing Corbyn for whatever reason always meant that young engagement in politics was high in this election and despite the polls and Tory arrogance the left were always going to do better (compared to the early 2000s they've still done miserably in the grand scheme of things).

But don't forget it has always been the same, the 60s and 70s were hotbeds of left wing ideals yet those people who are still around today in our older generations and are now right wing voters.

The thing is once you work an entire lifetime, you are always more likely to vote for wealth retention, and that's pretty much my opinion why young voters always vote left, older voters always vote right.

Just because the young voted for Labour this time in reality means nothing in future elections.

Speaking as a Tory, it's the kick in the backside we've needed, I don't like May, never have, and we need somebody with a personality to lead a party desperately in need of fresh blood. So hopefully there will be a lot of change for the next election.

I voted Tory by default this time (26 years old), I'm no fan of the current party but I am a capitalist and can't vote for any socialist party as I simply don't agree with it and don't think it works.

Socialism doesn't prevent wealth retention, it's one of those bugbears of mine, that so so many people confuse socialism and communism... In the same way that many confuse capitalism and neo liberalism..

You say you are a capitalist, yet you also say you are a tory (neo liberalism) rather than lib dem (capitalists) Labour are socialists rather than communists (Cuba)

You also claim there was a lefty agenda in the 60s/70s and of course there was, prior to that 40s/50s we were a socialist country, those left voters didn't move right, they died, and their kids and grandkids saw an opportunity to cash out on their sacrifice, which brings us to today.

Kids born in the 80s no longer have the benefits of the profits and lower cost savings of these social constructs, nor the money from the sales of them. And in fact, we don't just pay through the nose for the same (although lesser quality in some cases) services, and we don't benefit from the tax receipts as they are kept both offshore, and minimalised by neo liberal economics.

Therefore kids born in the 80s or etc, are now rebelling against their parents and grandparents and saying, "we want the opportunity you had in your youth" fair house prices, a decent disposable income etc.

You can say you are a capitalist and vote tory, in the same way you can't call me a communist because I vote Labour.

In both instances the ideology you claim and that of the party is fundamentally different.

Capitalism = public services in private hands in a free market. Little public infrastructure investment.

Neo liberalism = public services in private hands with direct state funding to prevent free market movements. Large public infrastructure investment, handed to corporations even in non public services.