.....is the sheer apathy many fans seem to feel about the state of the club at the moment. Just indifference. Detachment. A certain numbness.
It can only be a defense mechanism, because many find it a complete waste to invest any emotional energy into this farce. I remember the days when Arsenal losing a match could really ruin my weekend. When I could actually get emotional and frustrated or angry about performances, or rage about injustices from the ref and all that. We lost a final match yesterday, getting comprehensively outclassed without City ever needing to really step through the gears and it felt no different to finishing an episode of a TV drama I follow: and not even the ones I really like. I just chuckled when the 3rd City goal went in and flicked channels. I heard Wenger embarrassed himself looking to hassle the official about insufficient injury time. The comedian is beyond parody.
Nevermind the form: even the football is the worst since the mid-90's. All those years of stagnation and now evident decline. And remains soooo arrogant and so shameless and so lacking in self-awareness, he's unable to comprehend the damage he's done. The specialist-in-failure has clearly sucked the life and soul out of this club. Onto his next contract in 2019.
The remarkable thing...
posted on 26/2/18
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 15 minutes ago
Part of the fun of following your team is the drama and speculation that getting rid of one manager and appointing another brings. When you get to experience this for the first time in 20 something years you will find yourself re-energised.
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Of course. Would be no different from the buzz around signing marquee players. What is clear is our model has absolutely failed. Chelsea have gone through a hell of a lot of managers - almost averaging a manager per season since the Roman revolution - and they've bathed in trophies. I'd lay good money on Conte leaving this summer.
The 22 year farce we've had to endure only makes sense if Alex Ferguson is your manager. Arsene Wenger is certainly not Alex Ferguson.
posted on 26/2/18
comment by Gillespie Road (U18361)
posted 46 seconds ago
Speak for yourself, OP.
Despite the fact that we haven't managed 2 consecutive wins across all competitive fixtures since November, there's still fans who live for the next game.
I can only imagine how well a flukey 1-0 win at City on Thursday will go down in my household.
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I referred to the apathy of "many fans". Who was speaking for all fans? Who ever denied Wenger still has fans? They certainly don't speak for his detractors anymore than we speak for them. They're entitled to their own world.
And I referred to the numbness and apathy in defeat, which are the low moments as a fan. When you get used to being a mediocre team, you get numb to failure. We're now like Southampton. Their fans wouldn't be covered in ashes and wearing sack-cloth if they lose to City.
I'm sure just about every fan, including those who despise the manager, would be happy to watch us beat City. That's a different thing. It wouldn't get anywhere near the excitement of beating them when it would actually have bearing on something tangible - like a cup, or the title race, or even the race for CL spots.
posted on 26/2/18
comment by Sheriff John Brown - bring back David Dein (U7482)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 15 minutes ago
Part of the fun of following your team is the drama and speculation that getting rid of one manager and appointing another brings. When you get to experience this for the first time in 20 something years you will find yourself re-energised.
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Of course. Would be no different from the buzz around signing marquee players. What is clear is our model has absolutely failed. Chelsea have gone through a hell of a lot of managers - almost averaging a manager per season since the Roman revolution - and they've bathed in trophies. I'd lay good money on Conte leaving this summer.
The 22 year farce we've had to endure only makes sense if Alex Ferguson is your manager. Arsene Wenger is certainly not Alex Ferguson.
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22-year farce?
Come on mate.
The 2018 version of Wenger is a bit of a mixed bag, but he was very competitive over his first decade or so.
posted on 26/2/18
comment by Gillespie Road (U18361)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff John Brown - bring back David Dein (U7482)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 15 minutes ago
Part of the fun of following your team is the drama and speculation that getting rid of one manager and appointing another brings. When you get to experience this for the first time in 20 something years you will find yourself re-energised.
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Of course. Would be no different from the buzz around signing marquee players. What is clear is our model has absolutely failed. Chelsea have gone through a hell of a lot of managers - almost averaging a manager per season since the Roman revolution - and they've bathed in trophies. I'd lay good money on Conte leaving this summer.
The 22 year farce we've had to endure only makes sense if Alex Ferguson is your manager. Arsene Wenger is certainly not Alex Ferguson.
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22-year farce?
Come on mate.
The 2018 version of Wenger is a bit of a mixed bag, but he was very competitive over his first decade or so.
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Well, obviously I don't mean that his 22 seasons are a farce. I mean the fact he's spent 22 years here even long after the game left him behind is a farce.
posted on 26/2/18
Most clubs even much smaller teams will attempt to put things right, wether it be sacking the manager, dropping players, buying obvious players that are needed. So even if it doesn’t work, there’s always a hope things might get better.
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Well said. This echos my thoughts really well. It's very difficult to explain to fans of other clubs (a bit easier for those in the top 6, although they still don't really get it).
posted on 26/2/18
It gets a bit boring talking talking about how the club fails in the exact same way for the billionth time.
posted on 26/2/18
comment by RonAlvinho - Victoria Concordia Pathetic (U6117)
posted 7 minutes ago
Most clubs even much smaller teams will attempt to put things right, wether it be sacking the manager, dropping players, buying obvious players that are needed. So even if it doesn’t work, there’s always a hope things might get better.
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Well said. This echos my thoughts really well. It's very difficult to explain to fans of other clubs (a bit easier for those in the top 6, although they still don't really get it).
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yeah let us invest no matter what.
We have enough mediocree in our club.
posted on 26/2/18
Give a better manager the same players we have now and guaranteed they will perform better. Wenger doesn't coach the players properly, none of the players know their roles in the team. Wenger is the problem. Players can improve under a better manager.
posted on 27/2/18
There is no doubt Wenger has been one of the great PL managers and made Arsenal not only a top club, but also one of the most attractive football teams in Europe.
I do think that as one fan has said, the club has gone a bit stale.
We at Spurs have seen many managers since the PL has started and yet possibly only 3 of these have moved the club forward positively, Redknapp, Jol and of course Poch.
However it has been difficult, especially with our neighbours being so successful at times.
What is the solution for you guys?
Not sure if pushing Wenger upstairs is necessarily the way to go, as he would still want a say and a degree of control etc.
No, I think a clean break and bring in someone like Allegri or Ancelloti might give the club the right impetus to once again challenge for the PL and the CL
posted on 27/2/18
I think most fans have now gone beyond the 'anger' and moved into pessimism - it's replicating in a way the change cycle and will not get better until the 'end' when AW leaves. More on the change cycle here; http://changingminds.org/disciplines/change_management/psychology_change/positive_change.htm