I know he has his supporters on this site but it has to be said
He is the archetypal old school English midfielder that this country needs to move away from in favour of more technical players, otherwise we will always be losing the midfield battle to big nations
He runs hard, tackles hard, passes long and shoots from distance. English fans love this in a midfielder, and I've seen many say he's had a good World Cup. I find this bizarre
https://twitter.com/footballfact101/status/1017484038834151425?s=21
This video sums him up perfectly. As soon as we were under pressure from Croatia this is what he resorted to. Hoofing the ball upfield. No composure, no technique in tight spaces, and certainly no guile whatsoever. You wouldn't see midfielders from any other half decent football nation do this sort of thing
And it wasn't a tactic from the manager. Southgate himself has said that in the second half we didn't keep the ball well enough and resorted to this type of play, something he didn't want to see
I'm not blaming the loss on Henderson. There's more to it than him, obviously. I'm just saying he's the typical English midfielder that we need to stop indulging with easy praise when midfielders at the top level should be so much better
And this isn't a Spurs vs Liverpool thing because I would say the same if he was at our club. So can we keep this on the topic of Henderson himself, or the future of English midfielders?
Jordan Henderson - Not Good Enough
posted on 14/7/18
comment by KLS (U1695)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Analog (U17200)
posted 51 seconds ago
I rate plenty of players including the likes of Pogba, Ozil, Sterling etc but Henderson is not one of them. For some reason this seems to cause you such offence? Nothing to do with Spurs whatsoever. Very childish to dismiss somebody's football knowledge just because they don't happen to agree with you
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So you don’t rate a player that’s made it to.
The Europa league final.
The league cup final.
The champions league final.
All in the last 3 seasons?
World Cup semi final.
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Ramires made it to a champions league final, Europa league final and an FA Cup final and I don't rate him.
posted on 14/7/18
comment by Mr Chelsea. (U3579)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by KLS (U1695)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Analog (U17200)
posted 51 seconds ago
I rate plenty of players including the likes of Pogba, Ozil, Sterling etc but Henderson is not one of them. For some reason this seems to cause you such offence? Nothing to do with Spurs whatsoever. Very childish to dismiss somebody's football knowledge just because they don't happen to agree with you
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So you don’t rate a player that’s made it to.
The Europa league final.
The league cup final.
The champions league final.
All in the last 3 seasons?
World Cup semi final.
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Ramires made it to a champions league final, Europa league final and an FA Cup final and I don't rate him.
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Did he captain the side to those finals?
Simple fact is that countless managers both at club level and international level have continued to play him.
That in essence says he’s sort of alright at his chosen profession.
posted on 14/7/18
I wouldn't disagree that he's sort of alright
posted on 14/7/18
KLS you need to be a bit stronger in your belief than "sort of alright" if you're going to convince us. See Robbing, Greatteams or Term for that steely resolve you're looking for
posted on 14/7/18
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posted on 14/7/18
He's a prime Henderson on tic tacs.
posted on 14/7/18
comment by Mr Chelsea. (U3579)
posted 13 minutes ago
KLS you need to be a bit stronger in your belief than "sort of alright" if you're going to convince us. See Robbing, Greatteams or Term for that steely resolve you're looking for
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I’ll give you steely resolve you sllut!
posted on 14/7/18
comment by (Kash) I'm the Mane (U1108)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
England were never behind when Henderson was on the pitch.
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As meaningful as the net spend trophy
posted on 14/7/18
Henderson was easily one of Englands top 3 players in the world cup.
Didnt go missing, was majorly outnumbered in midfield, and tried things when most were scared too.
Tripper gave away the all the most of all i read, but he still played well in most the games I think.
Bearing in mind so many of Englands players just vanished I find it hard to see fans flaming Henderson, and Im far from his biggest fan.
I think club bias has even a subconscious effect on peoples views. Do I think Henderson or Dier on there own was going to be effective against top teams? nope.
Do I think Lingaard/Ali went AWOL constantly? yes.
Does that mean they are 5hit? nope.
Sterling is a better example for dividing opinion I think, and far more frustrating. He does lots well, but his end product was toilet.
Even Kane was 50% of what he can do, and sat in midfield and ended u feeding the midfielders that shouldve been supplying him. Madness.
England made progress sure, but fact is we are still way off being a good team, and the set up isnt ideal imo.
We need a plan B and C.
Focusing on Henderson and Dier is madness, as the reason they went is because they are easily the best English players at that role.
posted on 14/7/18
comment by KLS (U1695)
posted 3 hours, 35 minutes ago
comment by Analog (U17200)
posted 51 seconds ago
I rate plenty of players including the likes of Pogba, Ozil, Sterling etc but Henderson is not one of them. For some reason this seems to cause you such offence? Nothing to do with Spurs whatsoever. Very childish to dismiss somebody's football knowledge just because they don't happen to agree with you
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So you don’t rate a player that’s made it to.
The Europa league final.
The league cup final.
The champions league final.
All in the last 3 seasons?
World Cup semi final.
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Does that mean Arsenal fans should rate Pascal Cygan? he won a premier league medal and FA Cup with us. Should Man U fans rate Anderson? he won a fair share of league titles with them plus Champions League. Henderson however may have reached finals and captained the side but won nothing apart from the league cup back in 2012. I'm pretty sure he didn't even play in the quarter finals and semi finals in the champions league. Liverpool got to the final of the champions league mainly due to the front 3, nothing to do with Henderson!