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Vs Man United: 5 things we learned.

1: Madd for it

A suitable pun for the locale as Maddison started his season in the PL without fear or hesitation. Was probably our best player and really provided that link between striker and midfield. He looks like a better Paul Gallagher
and I can see him drawing a lot of fouls in dangerous areas this season. A gigantic hole in the attacking midfield area when he was subbed.

2: Gray matter

Most of us have spent along time pondering over the enigma that is Demarai Gray and I thought on the whole he had a good game and if he can really work hard this year on his decision making, may indeed begin to truly shine. What impressed me most was his defensive contribution. At the beginning of last year it was fair to say it was almost non-existent when he played but he clearly worked on this. And last night, he showed that with his pace and some defensive awareness, he can be an important cog with regard to defensive support when Chilwell is bombing up the field.

3: Varied substitutions, nothin’ more to say (sorry, poor pun!)

‘When you believe in things you don’t understand’ is the second lyric from the same song that perhaps is more apt as I try to stay optimistic about our changes last night. I felt an anxious knot in my stomach about it last night.

As mentioned on an earlier thread, don’t get me wrong, putting our RB into a RB position, bringing off a CM who didn’t look 100% fit for another CM and introducing even a half fit Vardy were all logically and patently obvious decisions. But it’s who went off and how it changed us. As referenced above, there was a gigantic hole left by the impression of Maddison but not only did we miss the individual we didn’t even really fill that gap - which had been so important with regard to any forward play that we had success with and in turn, just helped Man U to consolidate in his absence.

It also meant zero pitch time with Maddison behind Vardy and even more bizarre, we played two strikers high up against a deep Man U defence. Okay, fair enough at least bring on somebody who can get quality balls into the box in Albrighton, yet we didn’t do that either.

Now it may be that Maddison was fatigued or Puelwas worried he was going to lose his temper and get sent off but the tactical shift as a result didn’t work at all for me. It’s early days, but something to keep an eye on.

4: To me, to you ( RIP )

One major concern last season was the horizontal passing and I was so pleased to see that this seemed to be more accurate and positive than what we’d seen before now - complimented by us seemingly finding someone in Maddison who can link it together.

It wasn’t perfect and it begun to fade away - but it is much harder to stay motivated in a team that is passing with a lot of possession and not scoring than a counter attacking team who isn’t controlling the ball and not scoring. The players are bound to go through a stage in a game where they think ‘is this it? We are passing well, controlling the possession and still getting no where. And I think that is where patience and belief will come in (and some tactical changes in game)

For me l: stages of development for a more direct counter attacking team who want to advance their way of playing are:

A) practise passing, increase possession.
Patience
B)when controlling possession becomes easier and second nature - increase fluidity and creativity when we have the ball
Belief
C) become more aware and instinctive in terms of when to be patient and have belief, and when to attempt a decisive pass.
Confidence
D) the previous states now have automaticity and we can concentrate on switching between this and other tactics/formations
Versatility
E) a fluid formation based on useful possession and instinctive quick counter attacking as a second weapon.

I’d suggest we were at number 2, if indeed this is the plan. It is long term plan, but, as was mentioned last season, we, and Puel for the sake of his future here (and our club’s future if we are investing in this new way of playing) need to make sure we are at least staying a float in the mean time.

5: time - is on his side?

Which brings us to time. I really really hope we get those wins bedded to keep us bobbing along as we push for this new style because the last thing we want in for another manager to be sacked near the start of a season. I guess it’s recognising that this is a process and one which will take time.

What you would expect from Puel now, after last season and a summer, is a settled team at some point over the next month and relevant substitutions that have impact. Seeing the difference already in our passing has given me hope and although it is difficult to shift from a team who have attacked with pace so much in the past to a new more methodogical approach - I see light at the end of he tunnel already

Ps haven’t proof read so may be littered with errors!

posted on 11/8/18

Until our fans chant Puels name i believe there is anti Puel agenda, If not on here but wont take more than three games to for that to change.
The sub's where not that strange if not the ones we would of made or wanted.
As for the new signings we are going to have to wait weeks for them to be ready for selection and some are going take a whole season or not at all.
We are playing possesion game without going backwards and sideways,we have a number ten something we did not even had in our miricale season so we have lost Marhez and need to find a different way of being effective hopefully.
Bring on the Wolves

posted on 11/8/18

Thought we had a good game and if we ply like that versus other teams in league we’ll have a good season. But can we get those levels against the so called lesser teams? We have a habit of not keeping our game raised. Fingers crossed!

posted on 11/8/18

I think the anti puel feeling comes from his awful football last season and the 5 wins in 22 games. He has to win the fans back, but performances like last night will help

comment by Jobyfox (U4183)

posted on 11/8/18

I think Nev is right in that Puel won’t be given much leeway. He hasn’t got much: ‘cash in the bank’ to fall back on.

If the next 3 or 4 games don’t go our way I think the atmosphere will deteriorate pretty quickly. It’s seems ridiculous to say so early in the season that he needs a few wins, but I fear that is the case. Puel needs some early results and momentum. Let’s hope he gets them and builds from there.

posted on 12/8/18

Joby explains it quite well.

I am personally anti-relegation and anti-losing. As Puel’s record in the second half of last season was mainly both of those, I guess you can call me anti-Puel currently.

So, as Joby says, Puel needs results to get the fans on side. If he does this then I will be a Puel fan. If he does this playing attractive football then that’s a big bonus and one I’ll enjoy.

The Man Utd game was a very good sign of things that could come. But we still lost. We need to play like that and win some games.

If we do that, the majority of fans will be anti-anti-Puel. Even though Nev will still believe every fan bar him wants him shot...

posted on 12/8/18

I am already converted to anti anti Puel from the way we played against Utd away in the first game of the season.

Very positive outlook going forwards, of course it will need another good display against Wolves and a few more to cement that position.

I trust I’m the owners and believe they will show Puel the same confidence they did Pearson.

posted on 12/8/18

I can't see Puel's name being chanted anytime soon Nev and that's not because of some 'anti' agenda or conspiracy theory, it's simply because he doesn't get himself across easily; the awful football for more than half of last season doesn't help either.

TB - I don't expect him to get much leeway whilst we make the transition, we're not in the same position as when Nige was trying to keep us up having got us promoted. Now, the owners have been spoilt with success. Claude's target will be to challenge for Europe. Mid table mediocrity might be tolerated in the short term but the thought of relegation won't; if we're struggling and around the bottom by October, I anticipate he'll be shown the door.

I'm not saying that's desirable, just reality. I can't imagine many (any?) fans actually want him to fail, we'd much rather be celebrating a successful cup run or getting to Europe?

posted on 12/8/18

This is a ludicrous story, but just goes to back up what I said above:

https://www.caughtoffside.com/2018/08/12/thierry-henry-leicester-as-claude-puel-faces-sack-after-man-utd-loss/

posted on 12/8/18

Speculation will always follow
Look at the Maguire stories,
And with managers it's either being sacked or courted by Barcelona or madrid

Henry is ridiculous nobody would give him a 1st managers job in the premier league
Assistant maybe,
Now Martinez after his world cup success
Now that's interesting 2nd choice after rafa
But hopefully totally not going to be needed,

Now why I could understand the club looking for alternatives just in case,
I hope they don't take a knee jerk reaction after 3-4 games if we lost or drew them, just based on results
But look at how they/ the system performed

posted on 13/8/18

Roberto Martinez would be horrific. Guy was appalling at Everton, if I’m honest I could have got that Belgian side to the semi finals

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