Training Ground Unrest

I agree and that's despite playing for Leicester.

comment by Nevsaysagoal2city (U5194)
posted 19 hours, 7 minutes ago
You are so miserable Maguire has cemented a first team England spot by moving to ohh he is still here and Chillwell has got an England spot by moving to eerh he is still here. Gray gets his move and plays for England.
The issue is yours not Southgate like the 15 pass move if it was Brazil France or Spain you would be raving about it but because its England and how Puel wants to play well you get my point
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Nev, you are coming across as obsessive now.

You made a comment earlier in the thread about Puel bringing on these players at Leicester for England. No one argued with that.

So you’ve now, out of nowhere, produced this comment that people are miserable that Leicester players are playing for England DESPITE the conversation being about advocating another Leicester player - Maddison, and how he should have got game time! (Ps - Who has Chilwell ‘moved’ from and when did Gray play for England?)

England produced some great, clinical moves in the first half and you are saying this is how Puel wants Leicester to play....EVERY manager/fan wants their team to produce great moves! But specifically, you are saying there are Leicester fans who don’t want to congratulate England because they have viewed the match as being similar to what Puel wants Leicester to do?? It’s just bizarre.

This is without even considering the fact that England DID NOT play bloody possession football!!!
If you’re advocating England’s performance as how Leicester should move forward (and of course we are all referring to the first half) - on the whole it was quick, clinical counter attacks or winning the ball high up....I’m sure you can see the irony in a comparison to Leicester of old/new. There’s even several journalists/ websites now talking about counter attacking and if international teams need all this pointless possession (funny, how according to them - it wasn’t a doable strategy when Leicester were doing it )

But the fact is, nobody was trying to create this slagging off of Leicester players in the England team or moaning about how England played in the first half, or certainly moaning because England played in a similar way to Leicester (bizarre!)....in no world was anyone thinking this!!!!

You are literally just fabricating things to turn even the most contrived links into made up witch hunts against Puel so you can defend him! And actually, all it’s going to do is dilute any debate produced.


Ps - to pre-empt any response about me having an agenda:

I’m an England fan - I will watch every game, always have.

England played really well first half which was brilliant.

I love having Leicester players in the squad - I wish Gray wasn’t injured to push for a place and obviously have been moaning about Maddison not getting a chance.

Puel deserves credit for his contribution for bringing young players through - I love this about his ethos and Southgate’s.

I agree with Puel’s ethos of incorporating more possession into our game.

I think he has done well to recognise some initial mistakes and look to learn from them.

I think it is positive that he has recently said how counter attacking football is still important to us.

I DO NOT want Puel to be sacked and have no secret agenda to use sly comments on JA606 to somehow contribute to this happening.

....I simply just don’t think England played possession football and yet it turned into this them vs us divide about Puel. AGAIN.

I also have Man Flu so I’m probably being particularly irritable today

Just read back KTF no ones gone anywhere thats just me being ironic. when some posters say you need to play for a big club ie Chelsea to get picked.
I actually managed to watch the whole match again on my flight back and we play possesion football we don't keep posseion all the time and then we counter attack we even went three at the back and thats why Maddision at the back. Please read through what i have written i know i don't make it easy. I stick by what i say playing for Leicester is not going to stop you getting picked for England i will use the danger word Fact.
England are a team happy to play out from the back and played a Fifteen pass move for the first goal that's possession football

Nev,

I think you may have misinterpreted my opinion on player selection for England. I don’t think playing for Leicester necessarily stops Leicester players being picked...I think playing for ‘bigger’ clubs means that’s average players get more longetivity in the team at times.

My opinion on what is possession football is based around the common definition and acceptance for what falls under possession football - I can’t think of a more useful, stark contrast than our opponents on Monday to show what that type of football is and how we didn’t play it. Neither playing/not playing ‘possession’ Football as a tactic necessarily means you can’t produce a good passing move.

As a Leicester and England fan, our teams in recent years have been on two ends of the spectrum: Leicester needing to add possession to their game and England needing to relinquish dull possession football (in an attempt to somehow be like Spain - like that can just be implemented by passing a bit more!). Happily, Puel and Southgate are seeing this respectively and working towards the middle of the spectrum is perhaps where there is some correlation between them.

Not only did England’s stats show we didn’t play possession football successfully, we didn’t even try - which is good.

I appreciate though Nev, that you are saying your own definition of possession football is different from the generally accepted one and therefore, under your specific criteria - England played possession football

On the basis that possession football means passing the ball sideways, getting pushed back by a press from the opposition, ending up back with the goalkeeper who hoofs it forwards such that the attackers catch the opposition defenders high upfield and get in behind them on the break, England played possession football. If possession football is defined by drawing the opposition out in order to create space in behind an overconfident defence for pacy players to take advantage of it, England played possession football.

This isn't my definition of possession football, which is more characterised by the maintenance of possession through passing in the opponents' half and trying to engineer openings in a tight defence. It also involves primarily having over 50% of the actual possession rather than having the odd spell of possession that ends up going backwards and results in a long ball. If Puel is trying to achieve the apparent England definition of possession football, he's kind of going the wrong way about it as we were closer to that before he arrived.

Surely possession football requires, as minimum, possession?

England didn’t have that. Stats prove it.

I totally agree with KTF on his one. Good posts.

I guess it can't help the moral with Maguire effectively declaring he's leaving next summer.

"​Leicester City defender Harry Maguire has put the top sides in the Premier League on alert after admitting he has ambitions of playing in the Champions League."

" Maguire said: “I want to concentrate fully on Leicester this year. See where it takes the club and see where we go from there."

Will he go in January if we're languishing in mid table or be honourable and give us the whole Season?

Just to Add

Asked about if one of football’s biggest clubs bidding for him in the future, he replied: “Yes, definitely it would be a difficult one. I’m an ambitious player.


“If you’re not an ambitious footballer, you’re in the wrong game really. Everyone wants to play at the top level, everyone wants to play in the biggest tournaments in the world, so obviously the Champions League is one.”

Will he go in January if we're languishing in mid table or be honourable and give us the whole Season?
How can you languish in mid table?