He just doesn't strike me as a manager that has a burning desire to win at all costs. Sure he would LIKE to win, but I think he thrives in an environment where there isn't much pressure and he's consistently failed to deliver the goods when the pressure is really on.
Seems a nice guy and a good manager/coach but does he have that killer instinct that seasoned winners have?
I'm not saying we have to go for another 'proven' manager, but the situation is very different to what it was before Ole came here. We're not as broken as we thought and as a result, Poch can't really improve us much more than what I'm seeing with the current setup.
I would much rather have someone in who knows the club and was a serial winner. Someone who can get us over the line even when we're having a bad day.
Not sure about poch at all.
posted on 27/1/19
Master stroke by poch. Losing ganes left right and centre to make spurs not bothered about letting him go to his dream job at Utd.
posted on 27/1/19
comment by baz ta’rd (U19119)
posted 35 seconds ago
Master stroke by poch. Losing ganes left right and centre to make spurs not bothered about letting him go to his dream job at Utd.
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That ship's sailing away with Ole at the wheel.
posted on 27/1/19
This stuff about Poch not being a winner is really baffling me.
If you don’t manage one of the big clubs, spending a fortune, how likely is it that you’ll have any track record of winning trophies as a manager?
In this day and age, it seems like such an odd thing to throw at a manager.
posted on 27/1/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 16 minutes ago
This stuff about Poch not being a winner is really baffling me.
If you don’t manage one of the big clubs, spending a fortune, how likely is it that you’ll have any track record of winning trophies as a manager?
In this day and age, it seems like such an odd thing to throw at a manager.
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Winning the league cup or FA cup is not as hard as you're making out. A variety of managers have won those over the past decade from a variety of teams.
MP has also been n good positions to win those comps over the past few years and lost sides that were relatively evenly matched.
I think the REALLY special managers find a way to get a result in the Cups... Jose at Porto, Ranieri, Fergie at Aberdeen... even Di mateo won a cup?
When it comes to spending money, the cups are much easier to win than the league as you just need to be better on the day.
posted on 27/1/19
comment by The Gentleman Entrepreneur (U13709)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 16 minutes ago
This stuff about Poch not being a winner is really baffling me.
If you don’t manage one of the big clubs, spending a fortune, how likely is it that you’ll have any track record of winning trophies as a manager?
In this day and age, it seems like such an odd thing to throw at a manager.
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Winning the league cup or FA cup is not as hard as you're making out. A variety of managers have won those over the past decade from a variety of teams.
MP has also been n good positions to win those comps over the past few years and lost sides that were relatively evenly matched.
I think the REALLY special managers find a way to get a result in the Cups... Jose at Porto, Ranieri, Fergie at Aberdeen... even Di mateo won a cup?
When it comes to spending money, the cups are much easier to win than the league as you just need to be better on the day.
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You make a fair point, but I’m just saying that I don’t think his lack of trophies mean that it’s impossible for him to be a top, top manager.
Fergies era was very different, Leicester will always be a random event - generally it’s the clubs with big budgets that win trophies and managers like Poch have to choose between a high league position vs challenging for trophies.
posted on 27/1/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by The Gentleman Entrepreneur (U13709)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 16 minutes ago
This stuff about Poch not being a winner is really baffling me.
If you don’t manage one of the big clubs, spending a fortune, how likely is it that you’ll have any track record of winning trophies as a manager?
In this day and age, it seems like such an odd thing to throw at a manager.
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Winning the league cup or FA cup is not as hard as you're making out. A variety of managers have won those over the past decade from a variety of teams.
MP has also been n good positions to win those comps over the past few years and lost sides that were relatively evenly matched.
I think the REALLY special managers find a way to get a result in the Cups... Jose at Porto, Ranieri, Fergie at Aberdeen... even Di mateo won a cup?
When it comes to spending money, the cups are much easier to win than the league as you just need to be better on the day.
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You make a fair point, but I’m just saying that I don’t think his lack of trophies mean that it’s impossible for him to be a top, top manager.
Fergies era was very different, Leicester will always be a random event - generally it’s the clubs with big budgets that win trophies and managers like Poch have to choose between a high league position vs challenging for trophies.
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Yes, you make a rational point about balancing priorities. I'm sure Potch could win a trophy with the resources that we can afford, but as you saw with Jose we need something more, yes a good style of play, but we need a manager that who wants to win every competition at all costs, someone who can get us over the line in a difficult moment.
Potch has been in FA Cup semi-finals and played strong teams and not showed any x-factor.
He's also lost to us quite regularly in the league that he's prioritizing whilst we haven't really been at our best.
I'm not saying he hasn't got potential, but he isn't nailed on to be a success here in the long-term and I would argue that the pressure would be too much for him now... Ideally, he should have taken over directly after JM.
posted on 27/1/19
I agree he’s not nailed on but he has several key credentials that make him potentially brilliant for United - specifically the development of youth and the style of football. And in the PL too.
You’re right about the areas of concern, but for me they are things that he’s yet to have a chance to prove himself on rather than things that show he’s not up to it.
posted on 27/1/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
I agree he’s not nailed on but he has several key credentials that make him potentially brilliant for United - specifically the development of youth and the style of football. And in the PL too.
You’re right about the areas of concern, but for me they are things that he’s yet to have a chance to prove himself on rather than things that show he’s not up to it.
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True. I think we take a big risk whatever decision we make. Ideally mp should stay at spurs for 1-2 more seasons and we should build a solid foundation (hopeful with ole at the wheel) during that time.
posted on 27/1/19
To be honest Poch is not as good as everybody makes him out to be. Whilst winning trophies ain't easy, he should have certainly got the Spurs side of the last four or five years over the line at least once.
posted on 27/1/19
It's interesting how the question's changed from 'would United be able to prise Poch away from Spurs? ' to 'would Poch even to an upgrade on what United have?'
It's a given he'd join if approached, so he'll want to see Spurs doing well for the rest of this season.