Nuno Espirito Santo

It remains to be seen whether you’ve wasted that money regardless of manager. But I don’t see why they couldn’t excel under a coach like Nuno.

I agree about changing the identity. But that doesn’t detract from what a good fit Nuno would be for Chelsea.

Doesn’t have to be this summer either.

I can't see Jorginho being as effective in pragmatic tactics and while Kepa will still be good he was mainly signed due to his ability to keep play ticking over and playing out from the back so resorting to pragmatism will be wasting him aswell.

Hey DickLess, did you complain about my article earlier?

Jorginho’s limitations are highlighted in the league, but I think a team that moves it quicker in transition could help and that’s something Nuno’s teams do. A more pragmatic team isn’t going to waste a young keeper. Wolves play out from the back as well.

You seem to have this belief that pragmatic managers have the same philosophies but that’s not the case. The clue is in the word pragmatic.

comment by Wahl Might (U22137)
posted 47 minutes ago
Hey DickLess, did you complain about my article earlier?
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What an angry young man.

We've invested a season and £170m into changing the playing identity (Kepa, Jorginho and Pulisic will look shadows of their best selves playing pragmatic football), reverting back now would be negligence and will mean throwing a season and £170m down the drain.

Clubs identity's can change, Wenger changed Arsenal from a defensive side, Rodgers changed Liverpool from a club that played Pulisball with better players for over a decade and Pellegrini to an extent changed City aswell.
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As I've said to you before, I don't believe we're capable to changing our identity properly until Roman leaves - which isn't necessarily a bad thing (if he embraced it), it just is what it is. What happens to Sarri after the EL final will tell us a lot, if we sack a guy who finished 3rd/got to two major finals, who fits the profile of what Roman thinks he wants long term, that'll speak louder than however much investment he's put into enabling this identity shift.

If we keep Sarri, fantastic, there's hope for him in this regard. If we do what I expect we'll do and sack him, just embrace who we are, especially with a transfer ban, and get Allegri (or Nuno as 2nd choice).
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By the sounds of it he's leaving on his own free will and we are replacing him with Lampard, which signals we are looking to carry on with this 'project'.

Although it's rather ironic that we are turning to Lampard for this process given how much resistance he showed as a player when AVB tried it
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I wouldn't jump to the conclusion Lampard's officially a philosophy driven manager after one successful year in management, especially as a player he was brought up on pragmatic football learning from some of the best pragmatic coaches of his time (Mourinho, Ancelotti, Hiddink, etc...).

The whole Lampard thing just doesn't sit well with me at all. Remove his Chelsea legend sentiments from the equation and this is us making the AVB mistake all over again. He's not high profile enough for Roman to trust him, he's not been a manager long enough to command respect in our incredibly sensitive dressing room, he's not been a tactician long enough to know who he really is yet (that's strongly like AVB)..... but worst of all about appointing him now, in the future he could be someone who has the power to unite everyone at the club like Jose did in 2013 - now he'd just unite the fans. Could potentially be a massive wasted opportunity down the road.

And I echo what Ed's saying. Being a pragmatist doesn't mean we'd play negative football focused on defensive actions first, it means the manager won't force it if he doesn't have the resources. This was why Allegri's a good middle ground appointment, would push the board to back him if they wanted the pretty tiki taka football. At times his AC & Juventus teams played fantastic passing football, he just never saw it as a fundamental necessity. Quote from him a few years ago, "You can't have champagne and caviar all the time. Sometimes you have to make do with a ham sandwich"

Good points there. Allegri quite an interesting one actually. He’s got a lot of criticism for Juve’s style of play recently, but that wasn’t the case when he first went there. He built upon a lot of the work Conte did but made it less structured and more attacking. Juve’s possession play seems to have deteriorated recently with the midfield not being at the level it was.

He’d probably keep a lot of the elements that have been building at Chelsea under Sarri but with a bit more tactical flexibility to get better results.

It’s not like Chelsea are that entertaining anyway, so I’m sure the fans wouldn’t have too many complaints if they started competing again.

He'd want money will ingore our youth and look to buy his own players who will be here for a couple of seasons before we want them all sold

We need to build a generation and think differently
If Allegri was hired I will not renew my season ticket .....if I had one

MTC 2.0

I wouldn't worry about it, blunt reality is he can do better than us right now. Doubt he'd take it even if we offered.

Nuno's much more realistic especially with our ties to Jorge Mendes. Good with young players too, so he'd appease those fans.